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RE: Are You Being Fed????? - 9/28/2008 3:40:39 PM
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Calea37
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I don't really feel like I'm "being fed" at church at this point in my life but thankfully I am big enough to hold the spoon myself anyway...
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RE: Are You Being Fed????? - 9/28/2008 4:40:43 PM
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I am now. It is pretty nice because I wasn't for many years. But that's ok, because I learned how to feed myself. Or rather, how to let the Lord feed me. I think that should be the goal of every Christian. So, if you aren't getting fed, then you need to seek God - is he trying to teach you how to feed yourself or is he possibly telling you to turn to other resources? We can't stay in the same place because we've got to bring the newer ones along and help them. After a certain time, those that have been walking in the Lord for a while should be able to lead a bible study or help disciple someone as necessary. I'm not saying that you have to be a teacher - but you should have some sort of rudimentary biblical foundation to be able to lead a devotional or some sort of teaching if you need to.
In the places where I wasn't fed - I found that I learned how to serve - and so I was fed in a different way. There were times when I had to hear from God myself and that - coupled with sound hermeneutics - helped me to teach others.
Is it the pastor's fault? Well, if he/she is not doing what God told him/her to do, then yes. But if he/she is preaching what is on his/her heart for the people - then no. If you aren't fed, then you need to either feed yourself, find another resource (maybe a bible study somewhere else or a good radio or television ministry that has good doctrine, a book) or you need to look elsewhere. I think sometimes people leave places too quickly, looking for food when God is calling them to grow to a new place where they can survive without the hand holding.
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RE: Are You Being Fed????? - 9/28/2008 7:04:24 PM
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So, my apologies if I have derailed this thread with my wandering thoughts on the subject. It is just very timely for me at this point in my life.
No need to apologize... and I'm glad that this thread was timely. I can see that it is causing you to think and take stock of your own personal "feeding" so to speak.
And I am really glad you brought up being a baby Christian. That is my heartbeat... because I remember what it was like when I was new in the Lord (Soooooo many years ago!) BUT... I haven't forgotten.
Thanks for sharing!!
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RE: Are You Being Fed????? - 9/28/2008 10:53:29 PM
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Great question, debi!
I'm with RC on this one. I am fed anytime I encounter the word of God. But it is not dependent on any person other than ME! I have to be open, listening and willing to hear what the Spirit says.
I have not been truly fed by another person (pastor or teacher) for many years. Most teaching and preaching is at a level that speaks to the masses. And (like it or not) that is probably the appropriate level to teach at. I receive the majority of my food from God Himself through His word and occasionally books that I read---which are primarily spiritual classics.
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RE: Are You Being Fed????? - 9/29/2008 12:13:36 AM
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I'm very hesitant to be critical of someone who says that they aren't being "fed" in their church. I know that there are various reasons why one might feel that way, having experienced it some in the old church. Sometimes, there, I felt stifled, stagnant, choked.
After I left there, and was still trying to find a "Sunday church," what I saw in my very limited experience in my town, showed me that at least here, there isn't a lot to be had. One place was controlling, another's teaching was pablum, and the rest weren't any better.
I am glad that I have a place to go where we are taught and taught well, where we can freely hash over issues and subjects without hesitation and without being put down for questioning leadership, where both the leadership and congregation are held to high morals and biblical ideals, etc. I admit that I feel totally blessed. Then to have my own Bible study on top of that and a job in a church? Yes, I feel completely blessed!!!
And yes, we are being fed.
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RE: Are You Being Fed????? - 9/29/2008 7:40:50 AM
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There are several ways to approach this without pointing. You know that when you have a child you must feed it until they begin to LEARN to feed themselves. That's call growth. In that light you still have somethings to do with the food part. You has a parent let the child know what is good for them and what is not, Yea. A Pastor and teacher does the same which is why they are in teaching position or leadership. They must teach others how to feed themselves and continue to help with that process, God allows for how an individual will grow anyways, not us. But when you feed milk all the time there is no room for growth. This is the most current condition in our churches in America.
Jesus teaches us that we must feed ourselves daily, and he is the meat and drink which gives eternal life. We must all learn to feed from the source of eternal life, that Jesus. I can't wait until Sunday to be fed, but there are alot of people who do. They must be discipled into learning to follow Jesus, not only follow but to nourish themselves with the food from the father, and if Pastors and teachers don't do this then they will experience alot of skinny Christians (spiritually).
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RE: Are You Being Fed????? - 9/29/2008 8:42:13 AM
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I'm very hesitant to be critical of someone who says that they aren't being "fed" in their church. I know that there are various reasons why one might feel that way, having experienced it some in the old church. Sometimes, there, I felt stifled, stagnant, choked.
I have felt this too in the past.... and I think (and also in reeply to the post from growingseed)... this is where Pastors need to find that balance in being able to not only feed the new believers but the mature in Christ also. If not... then there needs to be a new believers study... or perhaaps designate a service for the newer Christians. Something... but not let any slip away or feel that they are not being fed.
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After I left there, and was still trying to find a "Sunday church," what I saw in my very limited experience in my town, showed me that at least here, there isn't a lot to be had. One place was controlling, another's teaching was pablum, and the rest weren't any better.
This is found way too much.
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I am glad that I have a place to go where we are taught and taught well, where we can freely hash over issues and subjects without hesitation and without being put down for questioning leadership, where both the leadership and congregation are held to high morals and biblical ideals, etc. I admit that I feel totally blessed. Then to have my own Bible study on top of that and a job in a church? Yes, I feel completely blessed!!!
And yes, we are being fed.
Praise God!! And yes... you ARE blessed!
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RE: Are You Being Fed????? - 9/29/2008 9:18:48 AM
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Jesus teaches us that we must feed ourselves daily, and he is the meat and drink which gives eternal life. We must all learn to feed from the source of eternal life, that Jesus. I can't wait until Sunday to be fed, but there are alot of people who do. They must be discipled into learning to follow Jesus, not only follow but to nourish themselves with the food from the father, and if Pastors and teachers don't do this then they will experience alot of skinny Christians (spiritually).
Amen, growingseed! My response last night was made hastily---having been out of town for sometime and 'eager' to rejoin the forum. (That's my excuse.  )
It was probably the discipline taught to me by Bible Study Fellowship (and the Holy Spirit) to feed myself daily. Their studies require daily time in the word. I established that pattern then (that was 1988) and have never stopped.
But growingseed is right on. Jesus IS our food and drink. Psalm 81:16 says "But I would feed you with the finest of the wheat and with honey from the rock I would satisfy you." This is God's longing for each of us and I have found Him to be true. I do not have to wait for someone to come along with some enjoyable morsel. I have Jesus and He is my food and drink.
Another passage that speaks to this is Proverbs 2. "My son, if you will receive my sayings, and treasure my commandments within you, Make your ear attentive to wisdom, incline your heart to understanding; for if you cry for discernment, lift your voice for understanding; if you seek her as silver, and search for her as for hidden treasures; then you will discern the fear of the Lord, and discover the knowledge of God. For the Lord gives wisdom; from His mouth come knowledge and understanding. He stores up sound wisdom for the upright. . . for wisdom will enter your heart, and knowledge will be pleasant to your soul. . ."
Notice the action words. It is OUR part to receive, treasure, listen, cry, seek and search. And His promise is that we will discover and be given to.
My husband and I have found Him to be true. He has fed us the finest wheat and honey from the rock. And we have encouraged others to seek Him as well. We have had Bible studies in our home for over twenty years to encourage those who are hungry. And those studies include individuals from five different churches.
I think the model we have adopted for the church has borne a spectator church which is really no church at all. When the church 'depends' on one or two individuals as 'the spiritual ones', it is leading others to NOT have a personal relationship with Jesus from which their sustenance comes. Instead 'religion' and 'church activity' are what is taught. I know this is not true everywhere but in general this is what has happened.
But those who are truly His will find Him and feed themselves. This is my testimony and the testimony of every believer I know. He is faithful.  If you seek Him, He will be found.
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RE: Are You Being Fed????? - 9/30/2008 6:27:20 AM
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I am not sure in modern western christianity being fed is the problem.
I think what is being eaten is. People will consume what they like to consume. Unfortunatly today, many want milk and not meat. A spiritual challenge is avoided. Growth seldom comes. Accountability? Non-existant.
Maturing in faith comes more from doing than hearing as stated before. Faith is like a muscle. If not used, it will atrophy. If used and used correctly not only will it be strong, it will get stronger.
I am sure pastors feel pressure to not only feed their flock but to feed them "nutricious food ". That may not be the same for every congregation...I don't know. Maybe, but having the pulse of the people he preaches to would seem to help a pastor teach.
Shake 'em up. Talk about non-traditional subjects.
Sex.
Money.
Service ( and to God not just the church )
Open up and share personal experiences.
Illustrations help. Jesus used agricultural illustrations because His listeners were agrarian.
Don't be afraid to go outside the box. While I am not much into women as pastors, my pastor had his wife help him teach when we were going through the 5th chapter of Ephesians. It was very good.
When I first started going to church I didn't know the terminology well. Eventually I figured it out but I would say...christianese is a hinderence to feeding the people.
If I am not fed, its because I have closed my mouth. Not every starving christian can...or should...blame it on their church or pastor. Some might be able to. Probably, and this is opinion, most can onlyu blame themselves.
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RE: Are You Being Fed????? - 9/30/2008 6:49:41 AM
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ORIGINAL: Covaan_Meshuga
I'm very hesitant to be critical of someone who says that they aren't being "fed" in their church. I know that there are various reasons why one might feel that way, having experienced it some in the old church. Sometimes, there, I felt stifled, stagnant, choked.
After I left there, and was still trying to find a "Sunday church," what I saw in my very limited experience in my town, showed me that at least here, there isn't a lot to be had. One place was controlling, another's teaching was pablum, and the rest weren't any better.
I am glad that I have a place to go where we are taught and taught well, where we can freely hash over issues and subjects without hesitation and without being put down for questioning leadership, where both the leadership and congregation are held to high morals and biblical ideals, etc. I admit that I feel totally blessed. Then to have my own Bible study on top of that and a job in a church? Yes, I feel completely blessed!!!
And yes, we are being fed.
Covaan_Meshuga - I like this post because it gave me a lot to think about. In my response I thought about the good things that came from not being fed. But I love that you are in a place where you can hash issues and be freely taught - is a blessing!
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RE: Are You Being Fed????? - 9/30/2008 10:40:59 AM
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I recently relocated to a new area, and have visited 4 different congregations--oops, make that 5, since I moved here three months ago. Two of them we attended only once so far, the other three we attended multiple services. I have received very little to make me want to return to most of them.
I understand the difficulties pastors face of having congregants who are at different places in their walk with the Lord--their spiritual maturity may or may not have anything to do with how long that walk may have been. What I find in many churches, though, is a catering to the lowest common denominator. It is difficult, I know, to prepare a steak dinner and a milkshake and a bottle of formula in one sermon (!), but--if they were a teacher in a one-room schoolhouse, or a home-school parent, would they teach everyone at Kindergarten level, no matter how old they were, or how many years they had been attending school?
Sometimes it may be the fault of the person in the pew---we had a friend who took his family to really nice, really expensive buffet--and he was infuriated when, out of all of the choices available, his teenaged daughter and her boyfriend chose to eat only hot dogs. Some people turn their nose up at the meat their pastor serves up--some take it and chew on it a little, then spit it out--some chow down like it's their last meal--and some savor every morsel.
I've been in churches where the pastor serves up milk, week after week, service after service; and I've been in churches where the pastor has tried to serve meat, only to have some of the people turn their noses up at it.
Right now, for myself, I am not being fed from the pulpit. I hope and pray that this will change. A couple of weeks ago, we had decided that we were tired of looking, and settled in one church that was sort of a 'best so far'. Unfortunately, since then I have been really disappointed with the services, so I am wondering if we chose prematurely because we were tired of looking. I've decided to use that church as my "default", the one I will go to when I want to go some place easy, but I think I will start the search again when I feel up to. As my son said "I'm tired of getting my hopes up and then being disappointed again."
So, at the moment, I have to say that yes, I am being fed, but very little of it has been from the pulpit.
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RE: Are You Being Fed????? - 9/30/2008 10:45:26 AM
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sometimes i believe the whole "fed" thing is an excuse, sometimes i believe its a genuine concern. People will up and leave a church because they are not "fed". For Christians, i believe that sometimes we are LAZY people and want the pastors, teachers, and other leaders to give us our milk, cut our meat, and feed it to us. Some never feel the need to crack open a bible. The teachers and pastors work hard (for the most part, i know there are exceptions) to prepare the "meal". Our world today has become so self focused that if we don't like something we just wander to another place...never growing roots in a place of worship. A lot of times people will use the excuse "i'm not being fed at such and such church" and they don't realize that they are slowly tearing down what could be a good bible, believing church.
Another cause, i think people aren't being "fed" is because there could be sin in their life. Look at a person when they are sick, they can not receive the regular diet that they had before they became ill. Sin is like sickness...i believe that sometimes you have trouble getting fed because of the sin that is blocking that feeding that comes from the holy spirit to your pastor/daily study.
Personal: Am i being fed? Yes, and i find different ways to be fed. why? because i have to. I am heavily involved in the music/sound at my church. I teach a study on wednesday nights. I sometimes travel in a singing group to various churches. It takes a lot out of you sometimes, that i can not rely soley on my pastor to feed me. I study the scripture personally (not as much as i should in total honesty), i listen to solid bible teaching (james macdonald/walkin the word) on my lunch break, listen to uplifting christian music...ect, these forums have also been a source of encouragement and thought...there are MANY ways that you can be fed!
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RE: Are You Being Fed????? - 9/30/2008 11:00:39 AM
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There is an interesting point that is being raised in a lot of the responses and it is about spiritual growth. I was listening to my pastor preach on it the other day, and he was saying that we really cannot make ourselves grow spiritually, any more than we can make ourselves grow physically. I had to ponder that - he supported what he said with scripture (I can share that if anyone is truly interested) and think that there is a lot of truth to that statement. We can cultivate an environment for growth. Physically - you can feed kids a healthy diet, help them get lots of exercise and sunshine, make sure they get vitamins and all of the things needed for them to grow to their optimal height. But, no matter what I eat, I will never be 6 feet tall. Spiritually, we can read our bible, meditate, pray, fast. But no matter how quickly I eat - I won't be a spiritual giant in the matter of a few weeks or even years (unless God speeds up the process).
I don't think there is a cap on spiritual growth as there is on physical growth, but I do think that God Himself inside of you causes you to grow. I know a man who doesn't read the bible at all. He listens to some sermons but not a lot. The reason is because he never learned to read well and sermons that have a lot of flowery language or large words are confusing to him. Yet, I have never ever seen a more changed life. He is doing what the bible says even though he wouldn't be able to quote any scripture. It is like, because he has this limitation, this weakness, that God is compensating for that.
On the other hand, I know countless people who know the bible backwards and forwards, but there is no growth, no fruit. So it becomes an intellectual exercise. I was one of those people. I wanted to do it right - to grow to full maturity and thought that if I went to 1001 bible studies, prayed, etc. that this would cause me to grow quickly. It didn't work. I knew the Word, but didn't really apply it. My method was like trying to get a sip of water from a firehose. Ironically, I recently spent a year out of church. I met with other Christians regularly, but I didn't really fellowship anywhere on a regular basis because I couldn't really find one that settled well in my spirit. Yet, people close to me have remarked on the growth in my life during this time. Mostly growth occured as I listened to Him, repented or did what He said. It occured in the midst of the difficulties in my life. I think my previous bible studies helped me a lot ... because scripture is inside of me. But, it is almost like a time-release capsule (remember those old commercials - I think it was Dristan maybe ...) - I swallowed a Word capsule. Now, in little bursts, pieces of the Word are breaking open in my life at just the right time and bringing truth, understanding and healing. A lot of the Word that I have now, interestingly enough, comes from the times when I wasn't being fed, but instead, I had to learn to feed myself. And God was faithful in guiding me into all truth (like it says in John 14). I'm thankful. I'm not against preaching or bible study or prayer. But I wanted to point out that we grow all in God's time.
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RE: Are You Being Fed????? - 9/30/2008 12:31:12 PM
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rgod- GREAT REPLY...i really enjoyed that post..alot of great truths!
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RE: Are You Being Fed????? - 9/30/2008 12:36:15 PM
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I understand the difficulties pastors face of having congregants who are at different places in their walk with the Lord--their spiritual maturity may or may not have anything to do with how long that walk may have been. What I find in many churches, though, is a catering to the lowest common denominator. It is difficult, I know, to prepare a steak dinner and a milkshake and a bottle of formula in one sermon (!), but--if they were a teacher in a one-room schoolhouse, or a home-school parent, would they teach everyone at Kindergarten level, no matter how old they were, or how many years they had been attending school?
It just takes a little creativness... a little more time... a little explanation. That's all. As pastors, we HAVE to meet the needs of all stages of growth. And it doesn't take that much more time.
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I've been in churches where the pastor serves up milk, week after week, service after service; and I've been in churches where the pastor has tried to serve meat, only to have some of the people turn their noses up at it.
This can't be. There has to be a happy medium.
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Right now, for myself, I am not being fed from the pulpit. I hope and pray that this will change. A couple of weeks ago, we had decided that we were tired of looking, and settled in one church that was sort of a 'best so far'. Unfortunately, since then I have been really disappointed with the services, so I am wondering if we chose prematurely because we were tired of looking. I've decided to use that church as my "default", the one I will go to when I want to go some place easy, but I think I will start the search again when I feel up to. As my son said "I'm tired of getting my hopes up and then being disappointed again."
So, at the moment, I have to say that yes, I am being fed, but very little of it has been from the pulpit.
I am sorry about this. Unfortunately, this is happening a lot.
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RE: Are You Being Fed????? - 9/30/2008 12:39:43 PM
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sometimes i believe the whole "fed" thing is an excuse,
This also is true. Church hoppers... those who don't want to be brought under conviction... hear a message that peirces their conciencness... and use the excuse that they are either not being fed... or the pastor is just to hard.
I had someone actually tell us one morning, "All you guys talk about in this place is Jesus!" All I could say to that was "Halleluja!!!"
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RE: Are You Being Fed????? - 9/30/2008 12:53:48 PM
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Because the Lord uses alot of ways to describe growth all of them require a certain foundational agreement, and that is that we asked Jesus to come into our lives and in so doing we have become disciples of his teachings and with that must learn to change our hearts into his, and with out any knowledge of who he is in us we will have no nourishment for our growth in him.
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RE: Are You Being Fed????? - 9/30/2008 10:46:40 PM
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Hmmm...
I can say I am being fed, but it isn't through sermons during Sunday worship service. Actually I've been getting my "feedings" through these forums. There is so much MEAT to devour here and a lot of it has helped me to get more focused on God. Many of the topics here in this forum are great devotional tools (for me at least), and I really thank God for you all for posting such great insights.
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RE: Are You Being Fed????? - 10/1/2008 8:51:42 AM
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Hmmm...
I can say I am being fed, but it isn't through sermons during Sunday worship service.
As pastors, it breaks our hearts to hear the consenceous of "being fed" is not in church. It was to this conclusion that my husband and I came to the other night when talking to this pastor and others. They were in the "excuse" frame of mind... laying off the problem of low nutrition to the congregants, and actually making jokes about those not being fed, rather than stepping up to the plate and taking on some personal responsibility.
I'm not saying that he is not a good preacher, I'm saying ALL pastors need to take on that personal responsibility to make sure they are feeding the sheep. What did Jesus ask; Three times in John 12 He ask Peter, "Do you love Me?" And Peter answered Him each time with a more emphatic, "YES"... then Jesus said, "Then feed My sheep." If we truly love the Lord... we will be obedient to what He asks. Jesus wasn't hard of hearing... I think He asked Peter 3 times to drive home the fact that if we really truly love Him we will MAKE SURE His sheep are fed.
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RE: Are You Being Fed????? - 10/1/2008 9:11:46 AM
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The short answer is NO.
However, I don't go hungry simply because our pastor isn't ministering along the lines of what I may need to hear. I trust the Holy Spirit enough to know someone else is being ministered to as they need to be and I find other sources for my spiritual strength.
Personal Bible reading/prayer time...serving others..being faithful in whatever I am called to do each day..those are all sources of my strength.
We have a young Pastor who is really learning his way and sometimes it is necessary for those who are more mature to minister to him. That is one reason I believe having a solid group of Leaders surrounding the pastor is important.
Ministry is not a 1 man deal. If we look to 1 man, or any man for that matter for our spiritual strength we are in trouble.
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RE: Are You Being Fed????? - 10/1/2008 9:41:10 AM
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pstrdebi
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ORIGINAL: buckifn
That is one reason I believe having a solid group of Leaders surrounding the pastor is important.
Ministry is not a 1 man deal. If we look to 1 man, or any man for that matter for our spiritual strength we are in trouble.
Amen! The trouble is finding those faithful.... those armor bearers... those Aaron's and Hurs!
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