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ObsidianSamurai -> Questions about those who've been to Pensacola Christian College (9/25/2008 10:17:40 AM)

Hello, everyone. I'm merely looking for honest, unbiased opinions about those who have been to Pensacola Christian College. It's been known to be rather controversial in the way that it runs things.

I was interested in going at one point, but I realized that they don't allow people like me. I play Dungeons and Dragons, World of Warcraft, etc, and remain a very strong Christian. Even so, apparently they don't like that, so I gave up and decided to go to a local, accredited university. No biggie for me.

But, I have a very close friend that attends that college. I read reviews, both negative and positive, of the college, and was very troubled about what I found. Apparently, and correct me if I'm wrong, they don't allow students to question their view of the Bible, and the faculty has supposedly deemed those who leave as "going against God's will." Those who left, and even some who graduated, admitted that they were spiritually damaged by the environment at PCC.

Don't get me wrong. I'm 18 and fully respect the rules given to me, as I know, that as long as they come from a Christian-like perspective, that they will only give me discipline, which is great. Appropriate rules need to be followed. What does trouble me, though, is when a Christian organization begins to act like the Pharisees.

Anyways, to the point. My friend has gone through turbulent times the last few years. God has worked in her in marvelous ways, and she is a far cry from the person she was when I met her. She is still a little shaky in her faith, and if what I researched of PCC is true, I don't want that being undone.

Naturally, I've been praying for God to do His will with her, whether that be getting her out ASAP, or keeping her in. What I would like to know, though, is should I recommend that she attend a different Christian college while things are still well? And like I mentioned above, does anyone have any unbiased experience and/or knowledge of PCC that might correct some of the info I've found?



jwsduran -> RE: Questions about those who've been to Pensacola Christian College (10/2/2008 9:22:13 PM)

My sister went there for 1 semester and hated it. They frowned on her listening to southern gospel music. On the other hand my brother went there for his masters degree and met his wife there. However he didn't like the rules they had for dating etc..



iwillfearnoevil -> RE: Questions about those who've been to Pensacola Christian College (10/15/2008 4:18:51 PM)

i know nothing about this college but i think you'll find most Christian colleges have rules and don't want instructors teaching contrary to their established doctrine/teaching.



cih92 -> RE: Questions about those who've been to Pensacola Christian College (10/16/2008 1:18:53 AM)

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Apparently, and correct me if I'm wrong, they don't allow students to question their view of the Bible...


Would would happen if a student believes in Calvinism or believes in infant baptism?



KnowJesus -> RE: Questions about those who've been to Pensacola Christian College (10/17/2008 12:01:46 AM)

I don't recommend it. What you've heard is true.



RJR_fan -> RE: Questions about those who've been to Pensacola Christian College (10/18/2008 3:37:51 AM)

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I play Dungeons and Dragons, World of Warcraft, etc, and remain a very strong Christian.


My adult son uses skills he sharpened as a DM to construct and conduct engaging Bible studies! It's a matter of directing folks' attention ...



solo_soprano22 -> RE: Questions about those who've been to Pensacola Christian College (10/21/2008 10:15:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jwsduran

My sister went there for 1 semester and hated it. They frowned on her listening to southern gospel music. On the other hand my brother went there for his masters degree and met his wife there. However he didn't like the rules they had for dating etc..


My sis went there a long time ago and hated it as well. I think perhaps if you can conform (or are already conformed) to all of their doctrines and rules, you shouldn't have a problem. But, as I've heard numerous times, you may not be told all the rules before you enter. Back in the day when my sis was there, no one told her they were not accredited. She suffered for that too; she had to move back to town and no one took her credits. She had to start over. I know it still happens to students today (from knowing some)...but I think today they tell students about the accreditation thing.

I'm really peevish about how many of the faculty have terminal degrees as well, and PCC (last I checked) doesn't have many.



JonBulb -> RE: Questions about those who've been to Pensacola Christian College (10/24/2008 12:04:40 AM)

http://www.pccboard.com/forums/index.php?s=



m1thrand1r -> RE: Questions about those who've been to Pensacola Christian College (10/24/2008 8:26:08 AM)

I graduated from PCC in 2003 with a major in Computer Science. I would not recommend my alma mater to prospective students in general.

The degrees from PCC are not accredited by any national or regional organization. This means that going on for higher education or licensing in your field may be problematic depending on your goals. Even the University of Phoenix informed me that I could not pursue a masters degree from their online school because my undergrad degree was not accredited.

Many, many good teachers have left PCC within the last five years. The music department, art department, and Bible department (to name a few) have been gutted. Take a close look at the list of teachers and see what kind of credentials those who you'll be learning from have.

Most of all, take stock of what you're looking for theologically from a college. PCC is strongly King-James only, anti-Calvinist, dispensationalist, cessationist, etc. etc. You will be required to attend the Campus Church instead of choosing your own church in town. Other perspectives on theological issues are not taught.

A strong authoritarian system is in place to enforce rules about every aspect of life and keeping those rules is directly linked to how the college views your spiritual condition. Something as simple as not taking out your trash can become grounds for judging your spirituality. Reporting your roommates and friends for minor offenses is lauded as a sign of real spirituality. caveat emptor.

Some Resources:

2001 Rule Handbook (a little dated but all that's available online)
http://www.pensacolachristiancollege.com/resources/pcchandbook2001.txt

2006-2007 Staff/Faculty Handbook
http://www.box.net/shared/5zsrn1av8z

Article from the Chronicle of Higher Education:
http://chronicle.com/free/v52/i29/29a04001.htm

Reviews by former Students:
http://www.pccboard.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27395



m1thrand1r -> RE: Questions about those who've been to Pensacola Christian College (10/24/2008 8:37:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cih92

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Apparently, and correct me if I'm wrong, they don't allow students to question their view of the Bible...


Would would happen if a student believes in Calvinism or believes in infant baptism?


From the Student Handbook:

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2. Hyper-Calvinism--It has been the observation of
the College that students who take a stand for
hyper-Calvinism tend to spend time discussing these
beliefs instead of accepting their responsibility of
witnessing to others. Therefore, Pensacola Christian
College does not permit the promotion of
hyper-Calvinistic beliefs.


And understand that what they define as hyper-Calvinism, is "anything that looks, smells, or feels like Calvinism" :)



iluvatar -> RE: Questions about those who've been to Pensacola Christian College (10/25/2008 2:18:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: m1thrand1r
Many, many good teachers have left PCC within the last five years. The music department, art department, and Bible department (to name a few) have been gutted. Take a close look at the list of teachers and see what kind of credentials those who you'll be learning from have.


Wow, they like to grow their own, don't they? That's not a very good sign.

I wouldn't go just because of the accreditation issue. The idea that academic and professional standards don't matter so long as we slap a "Christian" label on it REALLY tweaks me.

-Dan.



miasma -> RE: Questions about those who've been to Pensacola Christian College (10/28/2008 3:43:47 PM)

I'm glad somebody posted about the accreditation issue. That's certainly one of the more practical reasons not to go there.

I near-instantly scratched it off my list when I read about daily dorm room cleanliness white glove checks, no secular music and no "optical intercourse."

I don't think you can "recommend" she leave, but definately bring it up. Why'd she choose that school in the first place? If she's kinda stuck (due to scholarships or something)...I can't imagine anyone not fully in-line with their perceptual framework having any reason to go there.

I've never met anyone who had any sort of interaction (Christians and non-Christians, former students, graduates, people who lived in Pensacola, people with siblings who went there) with the school that had anything good to say about it.

My Xian college got me into role-playing, I highly recommend it.[8D]



DeeAnnBailey -> RE: Questions about those who've been to Pensacola Christian College (10/29/2008 3:56:48 PM)

I've heard the best and the worst - I know quite a few that went there. Personally I didn't want my daughter to go there and we literally 'prayed one young man out of going'. LOL But that same young man married a girl from there - go figure!!!!

There are some who do like it but not most of the ones I know.



acknwldgeverygdthing -> RE: Questions about those who've been to Pensacola Christian College (10/29/2008 5:48:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: miasma

I'm glad somebody posted about the accreditation issue. That's certainly one of the more practical reasons not to go there.

I near-instantly scratched it off my list when I read about daily dorm room cleanliness white glove checks, no secular music and no "optical intercourse."

I don't think you can "recommend" she leave, but definately bring it up. Why'd she choose that school in the first place? If she's kinda stuck (due to scholarships or something)...I can't imagine anyone not fully in-line with their perceptual framework having any reason to go there.

I've never met anyone who had any sort of interaction (Christians and non-Christians, former students, graduates, people who lived in Pensacola, people with siblings who went there) with the school that had anything good to say about it.

My Xian college got me into role-playing, I highly recommend it.[8D]


What in the world is "optical intercourse"?



acknwldgeverygdthing -> RE: Questions about those who've been to Pensacola Christian College (10/29/2008 6:46:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: acknwldgeverygdthing

quote:

ORIGINAL: miasma

I'm glad somebody posted about the accreditation issue. That's certainly one of the more practical reasons not to go there.

I near-instantly scratched it off my list when I read about daily dorm room cleanliness white glove checks, no secular music and no "optical intercourse."

I don't think you can "recommend" she leave, but definately bring it up. Why'd she choose that school in the first place? If she's kinda stuck (due to scholarships or something)...I can't imagine anyone not fully in-line with their perceptual framework having any reason to go there.

I've never met anyone who had any sort of interaction (Christians and non-Christians, former students, graduates, people who lived in Pensacola, people with siblings who went there) with the school that had anything good to say about it.

My Xian college got me into role-playing, I highly recommend it.[8D]


What in the world is "optical intercourse"?


Oh I see ! That sounds like soooo much fun[8|]



miasma -> RE: Questions about those who've been to Pensacola Christian College (10/30/2008 10:38:43 AM)

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What in the world is "optical intercourse"?


Men and women making eye contact for too long.

"Even couples who are not talking or touching can be reprimanded. Sabrina Poirier, a student at Pensacola who withdrew in 1997, was disciplined for what is known on the campus as "optical intercourse" — staring too intently into the eyes of a member of the opposite sex. This is also referred to as "making eye babies." While the rule does not appear in written form, most students interviewed for this article were familiar with the concept."


http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2008/06/25/optical-intercourse/



Auben -> RE: Questions about those who've been to Pensacola Christian College (10/30/2008 12:24:47 PM)

My former SIL was sent their by her parents her freshman year. She had a similar story.

She left at the end of the year with a school loan and was unable to transfer her credits to another University. The combination of Pensacola and her raising made her leave the church the next year.

Again, it's all 2nd hand with me, but I lived with her for a year and she was very bitter about the experience. She genuinely saw the Christian faith as repressive, angry, and deceitful. I hope I altered that a bit but she's still in need of healing.



themoodyexperience -> RE: Questions about those who've been to Pensacola Christian College (11/17/2008 6:45:55 PM)

They used to send a team to my private Christian high school every year to put on a show and give us free pens to try to come. They were so dorky I doubt any self respecting teenager would want to go. I still have their recruitment video that they gave me one time. Boys in dress casual and girls in Sunday-go-to-meeting dresses bowling and drink Coke out of glass bottles. Sign me up right now!!! What is this, the 50's?



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