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Retrobyter -> RE: Two Raptures (10/8/2008 2:47:07 AM)
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Shalom, SwordLady.
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ORIGINAL: SwordLady
Why do you think that we are already in the 7 years?
(Sorry. Sometimes I miss posts. Just saw this today.)
Well, my reasoning is this: I believe that the way we look at Dani'el 9 should be a little different.
Here's Dani'el 9:24-27, first in KJV English, and then in Hebrew:
Dan 9:24-27
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 49 49
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 45 94
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 50 144
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. 52 196
KJV
Dan. 9:24-27
24 Shaavu`iym shiv`iym nechtakh `al-`amkhaa v’`al-`iyr qaadshekha l’kalei’ hapesha` uwlhaateem chaTaa’owt uwlkhapeer `aavon uwlhaaviy’ tsedeq `olaamiym v’lachtom chaazown v’naaviy’ v’limshoach qodesh qaadaashiym: 23 23
25 V’teeda` v’taskeel min-motsaa’ daavaar l’haashiyv v’livnowt Y’ruwshaalaim `ad-Maashiyach naagiyd shaavu`iym shiv`aah v’shaavu`iym shishiym uwshnayim taashuwv v’nivnataah rchowv v’chaaruwts uwvtsowq haa`itiym: 22 45
26 V’’achareey hashaavu`iym shishiym uwshnayim yikaareet Maashiyach v’’eeyn low v’haa`iyr v’haqodesh yashchiyt `am naagiyd habaa’ v’qitsow vasheTef v’`ad qeets milchaamaah nech’retset shomeemowt: 21 66
27 V’higbiyr b’riyt laarabiym shaavuwa` ‘echaad vach’tsiy hashaavuwa` yashbiyt zevach uwminchah v’`al k’naf shiquwtsiym m’shomeem v’`ad-kaalaah v’nech’raatsaah titakh `al-shomeem: 20 86
Hebrew-English Bible by The Bible Society in Israel
The numbers following each verse are respectively the number of words in the verse and the number of words total to that point. As you can see, it took 196 English words to convey 86 Hebrew words.
Breaking it down, word by word...
24 Shaavu`iym = Sevens
shiv`iym = seventy
nechtakh = are-determined
`al- = upon
`amkhaa = your-people
v’`al- = and-upon
`iyr = city
qaadshekha = your-holy
l’kalei’ = to-restrict
hapesha` = the-revolt
uwlhaateem = and-to-close-up
chaTaa’owt = offenses
uwlkhapeer = and-to-cover
`aavon = perversity
uwlhaaviy’ = and-to-bring
tsedeq = righteousness
`olaamiym = into-ages
v’lachtom = and-to-close-up
chaazown = vision
v’naaviy’ = and-prophecy
v’limshoach = and-to-anoint
qodesh = holy
qaadaashiym:= of-holies
25 V’teeda` = And-know
v’taskeel = and-be-intelligent
min- = from
motsaa’ = exit
daavaar = of-word
l’haashiyv = to-return
v’livnowt = and-to-build
Y’ruwshaalaim = Jerusalem
`ad- = until
Maashiyach = Messiah
naagiyd = Prince
shaavu`iym = sevens
shiv`aah = seven
v’shaavu`iym = and-sevens
shishiym = sixty
uwshnayim = and-two
taashuwv = to-turn-back
v’nivnataah = and-shall-be-built
r'chowv = street
v’chaaruwts = and-moat
uwvtsowq = and-in-distress
haa`itiym: = the-times.
26 V’’achareey = And-after
hashaavu`iym = the sevens
shishiym = sixty
uwshnayim = and-two
yikaareet = shall-be-cut-off
Maashiyach = Messiah
v’’eeyn = and-no-longer-exist
low = for-Himself
v’haa`iyr = and-the-city
v’haqodesh = and-the-holy
yashchiyt = shall-ruin
`am = people
naagiyd = of-prince
habaa’ = to-come
v’qitsow = and-its-extremity
vasheTef = with-a-flood
v’`ad = and-unto
qeets = extremity
milchaamaah = of-
a-battle
nech’retset = are-decided
shomeemowt: = devastations.
27 V’higbiyr = And-he-shall-make-resolute
b’riyt = an-in-cutting
laarabiym = with-many
shaavuwa` = seven
‘echaad = one
vach’tsiy = and-in-middle
hashaavuwa` = of-the-seven
yashbiyt = he-shall-relax
zevach = sacrifice
uwminchah = and-donation
v’`al = and-against
k’naf = an-edge-or-extremity
shiquwtsiym = of-abominations
m’shomeem = he-shall-devastate
v’`ad- = and-until
kaalaah = completion
v’nech’raatsaah = and-that-decided
titakh = shall-be-poured
`al- = upon
shomeem: = desolate.
Therefore, I read it this way:
24 Seventy sevens are determined upon your people and upon your awesome city to quell the revolt, to close up offenses, to cover perversion, to usher righteousness into the ages, to close up vision and prophecy, and to paint the Holy of Holies with oil.
25 So, know and be intelligent: From the issuing of the word to return and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah Prince, seven sevens and sixty-two sevens to turn back and a street and a moat shall-be-built in stressful times.
26 And after the sixty-two sevens, Messiah shall be cut off and not exist but not for Himself. And the city and the Holy Place shall be ruined by the people of a prince to come and its extremity with a flood, and unto that extremity of a war, desolations are decided.
27 And He shall make the in-cutting (covenant) resolute with many one seven, but in middle of the seven he shall stop sacrifice and gift, and because of the flurry of abominations, He shall make it desolate even until the end, and that which was decided shall be poured upon the desolate.
Thus, I see the whole thing about the “Messiah” and very little about the “prince to come.” In fact, the “prince to come” is part of a prepositional phrase, both in English and in Hebrew, and thus cannot be the antecedent for the word “He” in verse 27! Therefore, the “He” must refer back to “Messiah” in verses 25 and 26.
Now, look what Yeshua` said in Matthew 23:37-39,
Matt 23:37-39
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
KJV
How did He accomplish this?
Matt 27:50-53
50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
KJV
Heb 10:16-22
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
KJV
Retrobyter
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