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RE: Church leaders and family "problems" - 9/24/2008 11:43:38 AM
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crankius
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No.
This is for a couple of reasons.
One, the Biblical qualifications for deacon and elder need to be upheld. If at the moment his family is a mess, then he no longer meets the Biblical qualifications.
Two, it gives the deacon or elder time to focus on the primary matters at home. If he keeps his position in the church, his attention cannot be fully devoted to shepherding his family and helping his daughter.
I am confident that in the church I attend, this man and his family would have full love and support from the people.
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RE: Church leaders and family "problems" - 9/24/2008 12:06:52 PM
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He should step down... but loved, supported and cared for. Not step down and him and his family, especially the girl, kicked to the curb.
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RE: Church leaders and family "problems" - 9/24/2008 12:16:24 PM
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as others have said he should step down. The Bible makes it clear that a Decon and an Elder must have control of their own homes to be qualified.
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RE: Church leaders and family "problems" - 9/24/2008 3:30:00 PM
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Child4Jesus
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ORIGINAL: earthless
He should step down... but loved, supported and cared for. Not step down and him and his family, especially the girl, kicked to the curb.
In 100% agreement.
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RE: Church leaders and family "problems" - 9/24/2008 3:34:36 PM
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What everyone else has said.
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RE: Church leaders and family "problems" - 9/24/2008 3:57:40 PM
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Emerging,
Who has condemned them?
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RE: Church leaders and family "problems" - 9/24/2008 4:03:35 PM
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Emerging,
Do you believe that the church should hold to the qualifications listed in Scripture for deacons and elders?
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RE: Church leaders and family "problems" - 9/24/2008 4:17:29 PM
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Emerging,
Please note that this thread was started by Miasma, not me. Miasma may have a completely different opinion than I do.
Question: how can I tell if a father is a good manager of his home?
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So, to carry the way you read this out to its logical conclusion one would have to make a pastor step down if a member of his or her congregation became pregnant out of wedlock or started using drugs.
But Scripture doesn't state this. Scripture gives a procedure for handling sin in the church. Sin in the church is not necessarily the direct result of the influence of the pastor.
However, a father is held responsible for how his children behave while they are within his household.
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RE: Church leaders and family "problems" - 9/24/2008 4:20:37 PM
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ORIGINAL: emerging
couldn't disagree more.
No one is perfect, not even pastor's and their families. I am surprised to see such a lack of grace in the church these days. It is no wonder so many pastor's have to live such secret lives.
It's not a lack of grace. Pastors live secret lives because they know if they were to be found out they would have to give up a position.
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RE: Church leaders and family "problems" - 9/24/2008 4:20:52 PM
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1 Timothy 3:1-7
This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?); not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
What do you think "having his children in submission with all reverence" means?
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RE: Church leaders and family "problems" - 9/24/2008 4:22:11 PM
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I can't choose either options. My choice would be "it depends". &:)
1 Timothy 3:4 He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him with proper respect. 5 (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God's church?)
A church leader must manage his own family. Managing one's family includes managing them through or during a crisis. Teen pregnancies and drug addictions happen even in families with the best of parenting. If a leader facing such problems in his family is responding to the crisis in a healthy, proactive manner then I would not believe he needs to step down unless the crisis demands more of his time and attention than the ministry would allow.
I don't believe that managing his family means having absolute control.
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RE: Church leaders and family "problems" - 9/24/2008 4:23:27 PM
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If you are going to hold the pastor responsible for sin that occurs in their own home than you have to hold them responsible for the sin that occurs in their parish.
Verse?
The elder is responsible for handling sin in the church according to Scripture.
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RE: Church leaders and family "problems" - 9/24/2008 4:25:21 PM
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crankius
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What do you think "having his children in submission with all reverence" means?
I'm wondering what you think of this.
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RE: Church leaders and family "problems" - 9/24/2008 4:27:12 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: crankius
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If you are going to hold the pastor responsible for sin that occurs in their own home than you have to hold them responsible for the sin that occurs in their parish.
Verse?
The elder is responsible for handling sin in the church according to Scripture.
And if an elder is handling sin in his family according to Scripture then there's no reason to step down from ministry (again, unless it would require too much time and attention).
If he is not handling sin in his family according to Scripture then he needs to step down.
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