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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/13/2008 5:48:37 PM
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RamiRedeemed
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Or how about the warnings on absolutely everything. Warning: hot coffee is hot. Warning: choking hazard (on every single toy ever made) Our ridiculously litigious society is way out of hand. Thoughts?
People will always try to do something crazy when they should. Like Kramer on Seinfield (his character, not his recent "news") spilled some hot coffee on him in an episode and tried to sue the place he got it from... saying something about no one warned him it was hot. Someone will always try to sue when they shouldn't (IMO).
I'm the same way about meds. Unless a company has hidden something purposefully (which does happen), people need to realize they're taking something foreign that, at the worst, can kill you. One of my aunts was given a date rape drug once; she has four PhD's and was a very bright woman. That ONE time messed her up forever (unless a miracle occurs); to talk to her now you'd think she's either perpetually drunk or just one of those "off" people. But... ingesting the drug once messed her up for life. It's more tragic to me just because she didn't choose to take it; I'm sure the man that did it went along his merry way. But, that just makes me realize that we all react differently to different drugs, and any one time we ingest a drug, something bad might happen. I know we're not all going around taking date rape drugs, but it's happened with some more common ones. And I somehow feel like a large chunk of the population discounts what drugs might do to them until after something happens.
Remember a few years back when someone sued Mcdonalds because he/she spilled the coffee and burned themselves? He won LOL
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/13/2008 9:46:25 PM
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I'm the same way about meds. Unless a company has hidden something purposefully (which does happen), people need to realize they're taking something foreign that, at the worst, can kill you. One of my aunts was given a date rape drug once; she has four PhD's and was a very bright woman. That ONE time messed her up forever (unless a miracle occurs); to talk to her now you'd think she's either perpetually drunk or just one of those "off" people. But... ingesting the drug once messed her up for life. It's more tragic to me just because she didn't choose to take it; I'm sure the man that did it went along his merry way. But, that just makes me realize that we all react differently to different drugs, and any one time we ingest a drug, something bad might happen. I know we're not all going around taking date rape drugs, but it's happened with some more common ones. And I somehow feel like a large chunk of the population discounts what drugs might do to them until after something happens.
I'm so sorry about your aunt. How old was she when it happened? That's awful!
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/13/2008 10:10:53 PM
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So that is why I'm scared to drive in my neighbourhood! I shouldn't be surprised that most here are aggressive drivers, they're aggressive walkers! People will cross the street wherever they feel like and then stare you down for trying to drive down the road.
Ugh! I can't stand it when people cross wherever! Especially when they're brilliant enough to be walking at night, wearing dark clothes, crossing in the middle of the road, AND pushing a baby stroller! I've come >thisclose< to hitting people before, and only "saw" them because I saw motion.
((Tamara))- that's awful about your aunt.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/13/2008 10:53:07 PM
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How sad about your aunt, Soprano.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/14/2008 2:28:13 PM
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Especially when they're brilliant enough to be walking at night, wearing dark clothes, crossing in the middle of the road, AND pushing a baby stroller!
Once I pushed the baby stroller across the street, a short distance from a crosswalk (ok more than once but this occasion stands out.) I would first like to say that I don't cross until there are absolutely no cars coming (and you can see a fair distance each way). This lady came over and started yelling at me about how dangerous it was and how I should be crossing at the crosswalk.
My response? Oh you mean the same type of crosswalk my nephew was crossing at when he was hit by a car?
We aren't safe anywhere. I don't always cross at the crosswalk because I have almost been hit a few times there (once cars where stopped in both directions and someone didn't want to wait so they pulled into the centre lane and drove through.) Ours even has flashing yellow lights and it doesn't make people stop.
(((Tamara))) So sorry to hear about your aunt.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/17/2008 3:55:28 PM
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I made the mistake again of peeking into Current Events, where there are some very hostile reactions to the blacklist of businesses and professionals who supported California's Prop 8 (anti-gay marriage). The list was called a gestapo list used for the purpose of intimidation.
Now, conservatives organize boycotts all the time of business seen as pro-gay. Those that give benefits to gay partners or openly try to advertise to the gay demographic. Do you think it's ok for the right-wing to organize boycotts of businesses it objects to, but not right for the pro-gay movement to publish a list of businesses and professionals who supported Prop 8? (Assuming they actually get the list right.)
Or is there a difference?
When I say professional, for example one lady on the list was a personal trainer. So a person might keep their membership at the gym where the PT works, but request that the PT no longer be their trainer.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/17/2008 4:27:43 PM
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"Blah" is how I feel about most stuff like that. I'm not personally huge on boycotts. I definitely try to not mix business and religion too much (just my personal feelings) and normally reserve a strict boycott for business stuff like cruddy customer service.
I think it would be nearly impossible to only shop with companies that agree with me 100%.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/17/2008 4:36:06 PM
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I appreciate your answer, Kat (and by the way, my son really likes the pic of your kids  ), but I looked at the list, and there are no private addresses that I saw, just towns.
I haven't heard of any reports of whole businesses being picketed because of the actions of one employee, but if that did happen, that would be wrong. They do say what the person does for a living, like accountant, so you could request that that person not be your accountant.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/17/2008 4:50:05 PM
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Check out knowthyneighbor.org. I typed in my last name and found my home address and full name listed. My mom too. And several of my co-workers. Not to mention that they let you search by streat name too, so I could find out which of my neighbors signed the petition also.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/17/2008 5:08:00 PM
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Do you think it's ok for the right-wing to organize boycotts of businesses it objects to, but not right for the pro-gay movement to publish a list of businesses and professionals who supported Prop 8? (Assuming they actually get the list right.)
Or is there a difference?
First, I think there is a difference between boycotting businesses for their public policies/marketing efforts and publishing a list of individuals who voted against you. How has a list like that even been obtained??
Secondly, I don't always like the way some of the right/conserv. groups go about their boycotts. The language is usually extremely divisive and drives the misconception of hateful judgements rather than Christian love. I will still buy my kid a hamburger at McDonalds even though they supported some gay rights, but hey, that's just me.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/17/2008 5:09:32 PM
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Kat-
We must be posting at the same time. I'm intrigued now, will have to check out the site, the current events thread, and um...read the news!
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/17/2008 5:29:28 PM
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Check out knowthyneighbor.org. I typed in my last name and found my home address and full name listed. My mom too. And several of my co-workers. Not to mention that they let you search by streat name too, so I could find out which of my neighbors signed the petition also.
--Kat
So you can't directly get the person's address using the blacklist, but using other websites, you could.
Mmmm, I can see where you and Jen are coming from on the business vs. private individuals issue. I feel torn now on this.
Part of me thinks that if you give your name and money to a public cause (like a proposition or a candidate), then there's no reason to expect that your donation would remain private. In fact there's a very good reason why political organizations need to keep records of such things. I need to look into this, but aren't there Public Information laws that say a person or organization can request copies of public information so long as is isn't a national security issue?
Also, if you donated a lot of your personal money to a cause you believed in, why would you want that to remain hidden? Shouldn't you be willing to go public on something you believe in enough to donate $1,000 to? Ah, it's tricky, 'cause I can see both sides of it.
Let's flip it around. If you could know that your accountant/lawyer/doctor/whatever gave a lot of money to something you strongly objected to, would you want to know that? Would you still give that professional your business?
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/17/2008 5:45:21 PM
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Also, if you donated a lot of your personal money to a cause you believed in, why would you want that to remain hidden? Shouldn't you be willing to go public on something you believe in enough to donate $1,000 to? Ah, it's tricky, 'cause I can see both sides of it.
Let's flip it around. If you could know that your accountant/lawyer/doctor/whatever gave a lot of money to something you strongly objected to, would you want to know that? Would you still give that professional your business?
Great question.
Here is where I keep getting stuck: I have the right to vote/donate my convictions w/o any harassment or pressure. If I choose to step into the political ring and publicly declare my choice, then I should expect to have to defend it. But if I simply choose to quietly assert my right to vote/donate as an American, I don't expect to have to defend my vote.
I would have to extend that same courtesy to any professional that I see.
eta "donate"
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/17/2008 6:40:00 PM
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Is there a reasonable expectation that our political donations will remain private in this country? Morally we might believe so, but I'm not sure that's the law. Certainly political candidates must keep records of their financial supporters, and those records are (I believe) public domain.
I don't think I'd want a candidate to have the right to keep secret the amounts and people who donated to his/her cause. If anyone knows the exact laws on these matters, I would really be interested.
Voting is a completely separate issue, and we do have a legal right to vote privately in the USA. But where money is concerned... I'm more in favor of keeping that process as see-through as possible to avoid corruption.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/18/2008 9:03:43 AM
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Yes, public information laws allow/require the release of information such as who signed a petition. My issue is that a third party got this information then published it on the net. Honestly, I like people having to jump through a few hoops to get that kind of information about me.
They claim that they published it to encourage discussion. Is my home address necessary for "discussion?" Yeah, there may be someone else out there with my same name, but if "discussion" is the purpose of the list isn't it safer to encourage people to ask instead of publishing my home address?
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Voting is a completely separate issue, and we do have a legal right to vote privately in the USA. But where money is concerned... I'm more in favor of keeping that process as see-through as possible to avoid corruption.
Just want to point out also, that I didn't give any money. I merely signed the petition to get the amendment on the ballot.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/18/2008 1:14:02 PM
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Yep, I don't think I'll be signing any petitions soon.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/18/2008 1:16:18 PM
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Yep, I don't think I'll be signing any petitions soon.
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Yep, I don't think I'll be signing any petitions soon.
And that's a perfect example of how public information laws can backfire and create worse problems than the ones they were supposed to fix! I'm with you on seriously reconsidering my level of contribution to the public square and that's NOT RIGHT!!!
--Kat
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/18/2008 1:19:33 PM
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Kat, I honestly didn't know you got your home address published for signing a petition! I hope there hasn't been any trouble for you.
These days it's so easy to find personal info on just about anyone. All you need is a name usually, and you can get phone number and address.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/18/2008 1:20:59 PM
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All you need is a name usually, and you can get phone number and address.
Too scary if you ask me. That's why there are not a whole lot of people online who know my last name.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/18/2008 1:33:43 PM
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Kat, I honestly didn't know you got your home address published for signing a petition! I hope there hasn't been any trouble for you.
So far, nothing's happened, but it's sure opened my eyes and gotten my fired up!
--Kat
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/18/2008 2:22:15 PM
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Sure it's easy to find someone, but I'd rather people not search for me based on their hatred of what I stand for or against.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/18/2008 2:31:21 PM
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What Crystal said!!!
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