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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/12/2008 1:25:28 PM
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Oh we neeeeever drove into Mexico. Scary!!
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/12/2008 2:49:47 PM
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Just a couple years ago Oregon carseat law caught up with the recommendation of 25lbs. AND 1 year of age for front facing at the EARLIEST.
Does that mean that a toddler under 25lbs has to be rear facing? My niece didn't hit 20lbs until her 18 month checkup, and that was after mommy packed her with a ton of ice cream (one of the few fatty foods she would eat) the day of and before.
She didn't hit 25lbs till about 2.5 years.
Hmmm, good question. I never knew a baby that wasn't 25 pounds by their 1st birthday, so I'm not sure.
My oldest didn't hit 25 lbs until she was at least two years old, maybe a few months later. I'd have to get her baby book to know for sure. She didn't even double her birthweight (8 lbs 13 oz - so doubled is 17 lbs 10 oz) until she was well over a year old. My oldest son was a bit chunkier, but I don't think even he was 20 lbs at his first birthday. My youngest is built more like his sister, so I know he wasn't.
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And, a couple years ago, Oregon law started that a kid has to be 90 lbs. and a certain height to not sit in a booster seat anymore.
NINETY POUNDS?!? I'm sorry, but that's ludicrous. My two oldest have been too tall for booster seats for at least two years now, and they were nowhere near ninety pounds when they moved out of them.
Are you sure it's not an either/or situation? Ninety pounds OR a certain height?
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/12/2008 2:58:54 PM
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Our law looks to be 80 lbs and 4'9" tall here in Georgia. But as long as you meet the height requirements, I don't think they're gonna put your kid on a scale.
I've known petite 5th graders who were afraid they were gonna half to show up at school in a booster seat (not like the bus is any safer, though).
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/12/2008 3:05:19 PM
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OK so since I love google:
Oregon laws, according to oregon.gov -
CHILD RESTRAINT LAW: (effective July 1, 2007) Child passengers must be restrained in approved child safety seats until they weigh forty pounds. Infants must ride rear-facing until they reach both one year of age AND twenty pounds.
BOOSTER SEAT LAW: (effective July 1, 2007) Children over forty pounds must use boosters to 4'9" tall unless they have reached age eight.
NATIONAL "BEST PRACTICE" RECOMMENDATIONS: USDOT National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) recommends children aged twelve months and under should ride in rear seating positions. Research indicates that such rear positioning reduces the risk of crash injury by 37% for that age group.
Trying to find Arkansas (my state) laws right now.
Edit - found AR:
Arkansas Child Passenger Protection Law
A child must ride restrained in an appropriate child safety seat until six (6) years old or until weighing sixty (60) lbs. Use your child’s age and weight to determine whether your child still needs to ride in a harness type child safety seat or a booster seat.
Children 6-15 years of age must wear a seat belt in all seating positions.
This is a primary law, meaning that a driver can be stopped and issued a ticket for not having a child in an appropriate child safety seat or seat belt. The minimum fine is $25 per child. The maximum fine is $100 per child.
Now, my now 7 yo has been out of his booster seat for about two years, but he was over 60 lbs when we moved him up, and his (backless) booster would not fit in the seat correctly next to his brother's carseat. My now 9 yo was moved out of a booster before she hit 60 lbs because she was too tall, her head was above the head support using a booster.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/12/2008 3:12:12 PM
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Oh, OK, thanks for that. 20 pounds sounds better. Before 2007, it didn't matter what the age of the child was, as long as they were 20 pounds (not 25 like I thought) they could face forward. Timmy 20 pounds and 9 months old I think. Not good.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/12/2008 3:14:55 PM
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I do not like the height and weight laws for car and booster seats. My blessing has been tall from day one. At nine months she could no longer fit backwards in the seat. Her feet were flush against the back of the seat and her knees would need to have been bent in order for her to fit.
Is that safe, especially when they can thrust their legs out and perhaps move their seat from side to side? Common sense should also be allowed-when they no longer fit in the space facing backwards, they no longer fit. You can not make them fit, which would also be detrimental to their developing bones and uncomfortable for them I'm sure.
Our state did recently up the booster seat requirements but it is an and/or-they must weigh so much and/or be so tall. I have a feeling she will reach the height requirement before the weight requirement as that has been her pattern her whole life so far.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/12/2008 4:06:01 PM
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Sarah I am talking about people who do 10 kms or so below the speed limit, so you are doing like 50kms, its not raining, its not windy, they are just too busy talking or older and taking their time and you can't always overtake, we don't have multiple lanes everywhere.
Germany sounds like Australia, with the rules and set up and the safe driving. I honestly wouldn't want to live in a country where there is pure disregard for the law and PROVEN studies that speeding kills. I can understand why you drive slowly there Sarah!!!
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/12/2008 4:11:26 PM
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Sarah I am talking about people who do 10 kms or so below the speed limit, so you are doing like 50kms, its not raining, its not windy, they are just too busy talking or older and taking their time and you can't always overtake, we don't have multiple lanes everywhere.
Germany sounds like Australia, with the rules and set up and the safe driving. I honestly wouldn't want to live in a country where there is pure disregard for the law and PROVEN studies that speeding kills. I can understand why you drive slowly there Sarah!!!
LOL...well, I don't consider it slow, I consider it legal!! But thanks!!
Narnia...if your seat rocked back and forth then it was not put in properly or was not a good fitting seat for your vehicle...and yes, studies do show that prolonged backwards facing, even when their legs are longer, is safer then forward facing. I will let Ryanne give you the info sites though...I don't have the ones bookmarked that she does.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/12/2008 4:20:59 PM
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Sarah I am talking about people who do 10 kms or so below the speed limit, so you are doing like 50kms, its not raining, its not windy, they are just too busy talking or older and taking their time and you can't always overtake, we don't have multiple lanes everywhere.
Germany sounds like Australia, with the rules and set up and the safe driving. I honestly wouldn't want to live in a country where there is pure disregard for the law and PROVEN studies that speeding kills. I can understand why you drive slowly there Sarah!!!
LOL...well, I don't consider it slow, I consider it legal!! But thanks!!
Narnia...if your seat rocked back and forth then it was not put in properly or was not a good fitting seat for your vehicle...and yes, studies do show that prolonged backwards facing, even when their legs are longer, is safer then forward facing. I will let Ryanne give you the info sites though...I don't have the ones bookmarked that she does.
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Car Seat Safety Video
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Big Kids rearfacing photo album
The safest thing for *anyone* in a moving vehicle is to be rearfacing, obviously this isn't practical for a driver, but it very, very practical for small children. Unless they are upset enough to cause erratic driving and distress to the driver then I absolutely believe that this is an indisputable matter of safety and isn't one of those "opinion" parenting issues.
As for their legs, most kids just fold them up. There aren't any incidences of broken legs causing a fatality, there are however incidences of broken necks and expulsion from the vehicle causing death.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/12/2008 4:33:53 PM
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Most babies lay in their seats with their legs naturally bent anyway, so it's not uncomfortable for them to "have to" bend their knees in the seat. And like Sarah said, if a child can "rock" the carseat back and forth just by putting their feet against the seat of the car, then the carseat is not buckled in properly to begin with. Once our carseats were installed properly, you couldn't move them even a centimeter by pushing against them.
I don't know what all info is in the links Ryanne provided, but it's important to keep in mind that a baby's neck bones are NOT FUSED TOGETHER ENOUGH TO WITHSTAND A FORWARD FACING CRASH until at least twelve months of age. Weight and height have nothing to do with that fact.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/12/2008 6:55:36 PM
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Here is what I got when I googled FL carseat laws:
Florida state law requires children under age 5 to be protected with an approved and properly used child restraint device. For children under 3, Florida law requires that they be in a separate car seat or a car seat that is integrated into the vehicle. For children ages 4 and 5, a separate car seat, integrated car seat or seat belt may be used.
Entirely base on age. Weights and heights are determined by the individual carseats? I'm not sure.
The way I read it, it is legal for my 6y/o to use nothing, my 4y/o needs a booster and my 2y/o needs a carseat. Am I missing something?
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/12/2008 10:32:51 PM
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Jen, that's what that looks like. You can look and see what's recommended since FL is lenient if you're wanting to be extra safe. If your 6 y/o is shorter than 4'9", you might want to keep him in a booster with a regular seatbelt until he reaches that height.
I don't really go by the law, I usually do what is the more precautious nationwide recommendation. Timmy was backwards almost up until he grew out of the convertible seat. We got an old van, and I just couldn't get his convertible seat to not wobble when it was backwards, but it stayed put real well when it was forward, so that's what we did when he was about two. Jimmy is 18 months, and he's still backwards. We have a different vehicle though and the seat stays put well when it's backwards. He likes being able to see his big bro too.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/13/2008 12:22:12 AM
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I don't know what all info is in the links Ryanne provided, but it's important to keep in mind that a baby's neck bones are NOT FUSED TOGETHER ENOUGH TO WITHSTAND A FORWARD FACING CRASH until at least twelve months of age. Weight and height have nothing to do with that fact.
I would actually say that from an anatomical perspective, 3-4 years is much closer to when the vertebrae are better at withstanding the force of an accident.
Gabby is still rearfaving and will be until she hits 35lbs.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/13/2008 12:56:26 AM
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Or how about the warnings on absolutely everything. Warning: hot coffee is hot. Warning: choking hazard (on every single toy ever made) Our ridiculously litigious society is way out of hand. Thoughts?
I heard someone say once that behind every incredibly obvious warning label is a ridiculous lawsuit. I think they're right.
As for the "don't do drugs" type commercials, I'm really not sure they've ever stopped anyone from doing drugs if they were going to do them anyways. DH and I do talk about them sometimes when we see the billboards or commercials. Here we have billboards about not doing meth, but they're quite graphic. Here's the link if anyone really wants to see them (warning, not for the faint of stomach). I just remember the egg commercials that said "this is your brain on drugs".
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/13/2008 3:12:02 AM
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I find it HIGHLY annoying when people go below the speed limit, it makes me sooooo mad.
why? It's called a speed LIMIT because that's the fastest legal LIMIT you can go? I don't get why you are mad/upset at someone for following the law of going AT A MAXIMUM the speed limit? Sometimes it is not safe to go the limit...therefore going under is what you do.
Although when people go far enough below the speed limit they are more likely to cause an accident than those who are speeding. That's why there's a minimum speed limit as well.
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yup!!!! man at the stories our two hubby's could have over S. Korean drivers!!!!! And Mexico....yup, btdt...I refused to drive when we went across the border. I would rather walk across then catch a cab if it is too far to walk where we were going!!!
Try driving in Kuwait! The speed limit is 120 km/h. The passing lane is, I think, the far left lane. That's where people come up behind you at well OVER the limit and flash their lights to tell you to move over. But they tend to think the broken lines on the road and the speed limits are mere suggestions. It's common to have driving around 200 and weaving in and out of traffic. Kuwaitis are very errogant drivers and pretty much expect everyone else to stay out of their way. Well, I'm a Swedish American. You want me out of your way? Then move! 
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How about your child restraint/car seat laws in your areas? Do you have a difference between what is the LAW and what is RECOMMENDED for safety? We do in FL and it bugs me. Until what age/size have you or will you keep your kids in car seats/boosters?
They sell restraints here but they're very expensive. People don't fasten their children in, hold them on their laps in the front seat, let them bounce around in the back, stand up with their heads sticking up through the sun roof. DH even saw some idiot driving with a baby on his lap! But if their kid gets a low grade in your class, God help you! 
BTW, for the first year we lived in Kuwait the twins had no car seats. I had to leave them in Lebanon and they're so expensive here. We just used seatbelts in the back seat and prayed a lot. Then I bought them boosters in the States on our next visit. They were too small for them but not by much so I bought those. Since they have no laws over here about restraining children (and feel free to take that in whatever context you want to) it's no problem.
We have cameras on the highways. If they take your picture they don't mail you a ticket. You just have to pay it to renew your license plates.
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Haha Lexie! That's actually pretty funny! My dad is a terrible driver now. It started when he started delivering pizza's. He speeds, doesn't signal and is very aggressive. He got pulled over this summer by a cop. The cop told him to slow down. I was hoping that would get my dad to calm down, but nope. I keep reminding him that he could kill an innocent person. He will drive 65 in a 50 zone with parked cars on both sides of a very narrow road at night. When I was with him last I told him that I will never drive with him ever again because I was terrified and ended up feeling really sick. I kept getting mad at him the entire time. He will drive quickly and then slow down, pass a person, speed up like a madman, then slow down at a light, stop sign or because a car is in front of him. And then he will pass that person and continue going fast, slow, fast, slow. It seriously thought I was going to puke. I also turned his music down because it was WAY too loud for his crazy driving. How would he even see or hear a kid or person or cop car for that matter?
So, would that make you my daughter? Because you just described my husband. LOL Well, actually you described most Lebanese men I know. Although since DH needs this surgery and whiplash could cause paralysis, he's calmed down a bit. I doubt it'll stick though.
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LOL....My dad's girlfriend is from Turkey, and apparently they don't have lines on the road or stop signs over there, so she is having a tough time learning to drive here. My dad has been taking her out since she has a permit.
LOL They have lines on the roads in Lebanon but they think they're for driving ON when you want to squeeze between two cars.
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Or how about the warnings on absolutely everything. Warning: hot coffee is hot. Warning: choking hazard (on every single toy ever made) Our ridiculously litigious society is way out of hand. Thoughts?
That's why health care is so expensive there. Over here we have pretty much comparable health care available, generally speaking. You have to be more careful when choosing a doctor, etc. because I don't really know their prerequisites, etc. However, the treatments are the same. But the costs are so much lower though. Why? They're not having to spend such an outrageous amount on malpractice insurance to protect themselves from sue-happy patients.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/13/2008 8:06:00 AM
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Try driving in Kuwait! The speed limit is 120 km/h. The passing lane is, I think, the far left lane. That's where people come up behind you at well OVER the limit and flash their lights to tell you to move over. But they tend to think the broken lines on the road and the speed limits are mere suggestions. It's common to have driving around 200 and weaving in and out of traffic. Kuwaitis are very errogant drivers and pretty much expect everyone else to stay out of their way.
So that is why I'm scared to drive in my neighbourhood! I shouldn't be surprised that most here are aggressive drivers, they're aggressive walkers! People will cross the street wherever they feel like and then stare you down for trying to drive down the road.
We left Akeelah rear facing until she was 20 months, even though she's fairly big (at her 18 month checkup we were told she was the size of a 2.5 year old). I'd rather deal with broken legs than something much worse. And she never complained.
Dh says the driving rules in Jamaica are "the bigger car goes first." He says its the only driving rule.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/13/2008 8:11:19 AM
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That's why health care is so expensive there. Over here we have pretty much comparable health care available, generally speaking. You have to be more careful when choosing a doctor, etc. because I don't really know their prerequisites, etc. However, the treatments are the same. But the costs are so much lower though. Why? They're not having to spend such an outrageous amount on malpractice insurance to protect themselves from sue-happy patients.
You're right. I just noticed at my Ob/gyn's office they had a big notice letting everyone know that they had decided NOT to carry malpractice insurance. I know that by law, they have to inform their patients, but I'm not really clear on what all the ramifications of that decision are. Anyone know?
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As for the "don't do drugs" type commercials, I'm really not sure they've ever stopped anyone from doing drugs if they were going to do them anyways. DH and I do talk about them sometimes when we see the billboards or commercials. Here we have billboards about not doing meth, but they're quite graphic. Here's the link if anyone really wants to see them (warning, not for the faint of stomach). I just remember the egg commercials that said "this is your brain on drugs".
I agree, those PSA's are memorable, and sober people do talk about them, I just question whether or not they actual reach their target for good?
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/13/2008 2:29:41 PM
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Here we have billboards about not doing meth, but they're quite graphic. Graphic is right! Yikes! If they don't stop a kid from taking meth, nothing will. The poor kids who use it! Lord, have mercy!
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 11/13/2008 4:49:28 PM
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Or how about the warnings on absolutely everything. Warning: hot coffee is hot. Warning: choking hazard (on every single toy ever made) Our ridiculously litigious society is way out of hand. Thoughts?
People will always try to do something crazy when they should. Like Kramer on Seinfield (his character, not his recent "news") spilled some hot coffee on him in an episode and tried to sue the place he got it from... saying something about no one warned him it was hot. Someone will always try to sue when they shouldn't (IMO).
I'm the same way about meds. Unless a company has hidden something purposefully (which does happen), people need to realize they're taking something foreign that, at the worst, can kill you. One of my aunts was given a date rape drug once; she has four PhD's and was a very bright woman. That ONE time messed her up forever (unless a miracle occurs); to talk to her now you'd think she's either perpetually drunk or just one of those "off" people. But... ingesting the drug once messed her up for life. It's more tragic to me just because she didn't choose to take it; I'm sure the man that did it went along his merry way. But, that just makes me realize that we all react differently to different drugs, and any one time we ingest a drug, something bad might happen. I know we're not all going around taking date rape drugs, but it's happened with some more common ones. And I somehow feel like a large chunk of the population discounts what drugs might do to them until after something happens.
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