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hisglory7 -> christians and politics (9/18/2008 9:20:43 AM)

It has come to my attention this election year that christians are more involved in politics. Is that a good thing? well maybe it can be. But the most bothersome part to me is the fact that people who are supposed to be genuine christians are stooping to low to get thier points accross in this election. i dont have a problem with christians being involved with the political process by any means, but i know that we a supposed to take the higher road in getting our points and ideas accross. We dont have to stoop down the the level that some of the dishonest politicians are at, because im sure Christ himself would not do such a thing. I know that there are a lot of first times in this election but i must admit this is the first time I've been dissappointed in the road that alot of christians have taken in this elections. I know i haven't been around that long bcause im only 27 but I know Christ and I feel like He would be dissappointed as well. What are your views on this?



rcamejo01 -> RE: christians and politics (9/18/2008 9:26:06 AM)

Just my opinion, defintely not theology but, Christians and politics especially today are no wonder that the founding fathers argued seperation of Church and State. As a Christian myself, I have to wonder even if this was to be a "Christian Nation" whose "formula" would we follow?



small_creation -> RE: christians and politics (9/18/2008 9:28:36 AM)

I think that Christ would be more dissapointed that more people do not routinely and as a group take an overwhelming interest in the elections. With the Republic that we have, where all votes are counted equally, everyone allowed to vote, we in America have the greatest opportunity to find leaders who are competent, moral and shrewd. At least that's what I want in a leader.

What parts of political discourse are you dissapointed in?

Man is not perfect. I just want the most acceptable person voted in.

j



deermousie -> RE: christians and politics (9/18/2008 10:38:09 AM)

Uh... the founding fathers had the new government pay for churches, and Jefferson's comment about the separation of church and state is not a government document but was a private letter to a church leader that his church wasn't going to be cut off in favor of another church or something like that. The nonChristians are lying through their teeth about this issue, and the truth is never mentioned in secular textbooks.

In the early history of this country, you had to be a Christian of good reputation to hold a government office.

If you look at the inaugural portrait of George Washington, he is pointing a sword at an open book: it's a Bible, and the chapter is Deut. 28, which is the blessings/cursings chapter about the nation that obeys or ignores God.

Our school textbooks lie about history. I wouldn't trust one published after 1960.



MrFribbles -> RE: christians and politics (9/18/2008 11:15:04 AM)

What aspect of some Christians' actions are you disappointed with, hisglory?



SpiritualPowers -> RE: christians and politics (9/18/2008 9:54:42 PM)

The United States of America was founded on Christian Beliefs , Been to the White House ,Congress , The Supream Court Building , seen a dollar ? Gods word is every where in our goverment , It is just not in most of the people we have serving. We must reconize what is going on around us , using our biblical glasses and not our worldly glasses. Were in trouble BIG TIME. We have a Big decision in November and we need to have some BACK BONE in our goverment. Just for your info George Bush did not make this mess , WE DID . We have forgotten what it means to be an AMERICAN and Especially Christians .Were did love you neighbor go when we were ripping each other off in the housing market ,the stock market and any other market you can think of. We are the blame becouse our goverment took God out of our childrens life and made the mintion of him a sin .We did this and continue to allow this . Were is our back bone , Were so busy we forgot Christ and were gonna Pay Big if we dont right the ship people please Wake up . We are letting the National Media tell us how and what to think and JesusChrist can get a word in. What would God do, what would Jesus Christ think to see us as we are today(dont fool yourselves he is right here watching crying out to you ). No matter what in the end we are all Christians and in the end we will be judged, do you want to be petty or Stand up, Suck it up and say, Its the Lords Way or the Highway goverment and take Gods country back ??????



Thessa -> RE: christians and politics (9/19/2008 6:29:58 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: hisglory7

It has come to my attention this election year that christians are more involved in politics. Is that a good thing? well maybe it can be. But the most bothersome part to me is the fact that people who are supposed to be genuine christians are stooping to low to get thier points accross in this election. i dont have a problem with christians being involved with the political process by any means, but i know that we a supposed to take the higher road in getting our points and ideas accross. We dont have to stoop down the the level that some of the dishonest politicians are at, because im sure Christ himself would not do such a thing. I know that there are a lot of first times in this election but i must admit this is the first time I've been dissappointed in the road that alot of christians have taken in this elections. I know i haven't been around that long bcause im only 27 but I know Christ and I feel like He would be dissappointed as well. What are your views on this?



Being interested in an election is nothing to get all worried about or say even for a second that 'Christians wouldnt do this, do that...'
God is with all people during this time. On this Earth we have the right to stand up and say what we feel to be true. In which case we need to also stand up for who we think is right to lead the United States.

Read this...this may help you further understand.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Christians-vote.html



timf -> RE: christians and politics (9/19/2008 6:56:40 AM)

christians and politics

Politics is the tool the unsaved and Christians who do not trust their God turn to in their attempts to gain control of a universe they fear.

The Bible equates rebellion to the sin of witchcraft. At first this may seem strange, but upon closer examination we find that both have at their core the desire to control. This is also at the heart of politics.

Liberals are offered the false hope of unrestricted indulgence without consequence and conservatives are offered the illusion that the world can be "set right".

Politics and the illusion of control is just one of many ways Satan draws Christians away from trusting their Lord.

James 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.



Thessa -> RE: christians and politics (9/19/2008 7:01:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: timf

christians and politics

Politics is the tool the unsaved and Christians who do not trust their God turn to in their attempts to gain control of a universe they fear.

The Bible equates rebellion to the sin of witchcraft. At first this may seem strange, but upon closer examination we find that both have at their core the desire to control. This is also at the heart of politics.

Liberals are offered the false hope of unrestricted indulgence without consequence and conservatives are offered the illusion that the world can be "set right".

Politics and the illusion of control is just one of many ways Satan draws Christians away from trusting their Lord.

James 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.


None of that is true. None of it.



TorchHeart -> RE: christians and politics (9/19/2008 10:00:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: deermousie

Uh... the founding fathers had the new government pay for churches, and Jefferson's comment about the separation of church and state is not a government document but was a private letter to a church leader that his church wasn't going to be cut off in favor of another church or something like that. The nonChristians are lying through their teeth about this issue, and the truth is never mentioned in secular textbooks.

In the early history of this country, you had to be a Christian of good reputation to hold a government office.

If you look at the inaugural portrait of George Washington, he is pointing a sword at an open book: it's a Bible, and the chapter is Deut. 28, which is the blessings/cursings chapter about the nation that obeys or ignores God.

Our school textbooks lie about history. I wouldn't trust one published after 1960.


The letter you're referring to was a letter to the Danbury Baptists that Jefferson wrote. I don't believe they were necessarily his church; merely one that was inquiring about matters of religion in politics.

I just found a copy of the letter (Thank you, Wikipedia) and this is the section where this matter is addressed:

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."

quote:

The nonChristians are lying through their teeth about this issue, and the truth is never mentioned in secular textbooks.


Just for the record, I attended a secular junior high school and I do recall touching on this when studying the U.S. Constitution in American History.

Whether it was in the textbook we were using or not, I forget, but knowing the teacher I had at the time, I wouldn't doubt it. [:D]
I think I spent half my time in church praying for God to forgive him for handing out so much homework.



TJStarfire -> RE: christians and politics (9/19/2008 12:51:26 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: hisglory7
We dont have to stoop down the the level that some of the dishonest politicians are at, because im sure Christ himself would not do such a thing. I know that there are a lot of first times in this election but i must admit this is the first time I've been dissappointed in the road that alot of christians have taken in this elections. I know i haven't been around that long bcause im only 27 but I know Christ and I feel like He would be dissappointed as well. What are your views on this?


1/3 of the angels in heaven followed rebellion against their legal form of government. The people here on earth who follow rebellions against our legal form of government should look at the road they are traveling on.



TorchHeart -> RE: christians and politics (9/19/2008 1:08:41 PM)

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The people here on earth who follow rebellions against our legal form of government should look at the road they are traveling on.


If it wasn't for rebellions against "legal forms of government," what else would keep government ultimately in check? Honestly, rebellion against Great Brittan's government is what lead to the formation of the United States to begin with.



Oldwing -> RE: christians and politics (9/19/2008 1:09:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: small_creation

I think that Christ would be more dissapointed that more people do not routinely and as a group take an overwhelming interest in the elections. With the Republic that we have, where all votes are counted equally, everyone allowed to vote, we in America have the greatest opportunity to find leaders who are competent, moral and shrewd. At least that's what I want in a leader.

What parts of political discourse are you dissapointed in?

Man is not perfect. I just want the most acceptable person voted in.

j

My problem with this election is that the choices are, neither one, one I would choose as our Nation's leader. The Democrats have a smart man, but he is pro-choice and I can't condone that. The Republicans have a smart man who has shown fortitude under duress, but I wonder will he be a warmonger. This is the hardest election I've ever participated in. I want a better choice.[:'(]



TorchHeart -> RE: christians and politics (9/19/2008 1:19:08 PM)

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My problem with this election is that the choices are, neither one, one I would choose as our Nation's leader. The Democrats have a smart man, but he is pro-choice and I can't condone that. The Republicans have a smart man who has shown fortitude under duress, but I wonder will he be a warmonger. This is the hardest election I've ever participated in. I want a better choice.


AGREED!!!!!!!!

Neither choice, in my book, really represents Christian values, and you don't know exactly what they're going to do to change the course this country is on and end the financial problems we have. Its almost down to "flip-a-coin" time.



Oldwing -> RE: christians and politics (9/19/2008 1:25:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TorchHeart

quote:

My problem with this election is that the choices are, neither one, one I would choose as our Nation's leader. The Democrats have a smart man, but he is pro-choice and I can't condone that. The Republicans have a smart man who has shown fortitude under duress, but I wonder will he be a warmonger. This is the hardest election I've ever participated in. I want a better choice.


AGREED!!!!!!!!

Neither choice, in my book, really represents Christian values, and you don't know exactly what they're going to do to change the course this country is on and end the financial problems we have. Its almost down to "flip-a-coin" time.

Either flip a coin or write someone else in and throw your vote away. Whatever happened to clear cut choices anyway? [;)]



TorchHeart -> RE: christians and politics (9/19/2008 1:35:13 PM)

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Either flip a coin or write someone else in and throw your vote away. Whatever happened to clear cut choices anyway?


Honestly, they died after the Nixon Administration, I believe. (with the exception of the Reagan-Mondale election in 1984)



TorchHeart -> RE: christians and politics (9/19/2008 1:43:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: deermousie

Uh... the founding fathers had the new government pay for churches, and Jefferson's comment about the separation of church and state is not a government document but was a private letter to a church leader that his church wasn't going to be cut off in favor of another church or something like that. The nonChristians are lying through their teeth about this issue, and the truth is never mentioned in secular textbooks.

In the early history of this country, you had to be a Christian of good reputation to hold a government office.

If you look at the inaugural portrait of George Washington, he is pointing a sword at an open book: it's a Bible, and the chapter is Deut. 28, which is the blessings/cursings chapter about the nation that obeys or ignores God.

Our school textbooks lie about history. I wouldn't trust one published after 1960.


Deermousie> I was reading through this again, and I was wondering if you've ever seen/heard of the Thomas Jefferson Bible. I hate to burst your bubble a little bit, but it gives kind of an interesting view as to what Thomas Jefferson really believed.

Essentially, he edited the 4 Gospels to remove any of the miraculous happenings in them, and also edited anything he believed to be a misquote or misinterpretation added by the authors or later translators.



rcjames -> RE: christians and politics (9/19/2008 1:52:36 PM)

As Christians we have two mandates in reference to the government and our relation to it.

We are told to obey the governmental powers over us, so that we must do; unless it is in direct opposition to Scripture.

Secondaly with our form of Government which is of, for, and by the people; and us Christians being people; we have an obligation to do what is right (Scriputralo) as far as our influences goes in the electing, running, and execution of that Government.

We are instructed to take care of what has been given to us, and a voice in the Government of the USA has been given to us.

To sit aside and do nothing would be like the man in the parable who buried his treasure and it was taken away from him.

If we, as Christians do not take care of our government to the extent that we can; it will be taken from us, and we will go back into bondage.

Thanks
RC



terryjohn -> RE: christians and politics (9/19/2008 3:46:11 PM)

I want to get involved in politics and I know I would be good at it, but spiritually it is not a good job for a good man. I visitied our nations capital and I was oppressed by the futility of their endevours in changing mens hearts. They pass law after law and debate topics after topic and never seem to come close to making any difference in the lives of men and women. They spend billions in getting elected and make great promises but nothing really changes except for the man being elected.

My point would be, how can an evil, sinful people ever elect a Godly, good representative?



Oldwing -> RE: christians and politics (9/19/2008 3:52:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TorchHeart

quote:

Either flip a coin or write someone else in and throw your vote away. Whatever happened to clear cut choices anyway?


Honestly, they died after the Nixon Administration, I believe. (with the exception of the Reagan-Mondale election in 1984)

Reagan was one of the best.



raivyne -> RE: christians and politics (9/19/2008 4:00:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Oldwing

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ORIGINAL: TorchHeart

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Either flip a coin or write someone else in and throw your vote away. Whatever happened to clear cut choices anyway?


Honestly, they died after the Nixon Administration, I believe. (with the exception of the Reagan-Mondale election in 1984)

Reagan was one of the best.


agreed! I have a Reagan bumper sticker (its says: "My heros have always been cowboys" with a picture of him in his cowboy hat)



Oldwing -> RE: christians and politics (9/19/2008 4:05:10 PM)

ORIGINAL: raivyne

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Reagan bumper sticker

Where can I get one of those?



raivyne -> RE: christians and politics (9/19/2008 4:12:44 PM)

I think I got mine at bumpertalk.com but I ordered it a couple years ago. i'm sure they still have them though.

edit: yep here it is! click me



Oldwing -> RE: christians and politics (9/19/2008 4:28:32 PM)

Thanks raivyne. Ordering at next paycheck!



raivyne -> RE: christians and politics (9/19/2008 4:31:03 PM)

You're most welcome!



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