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Sigh....we cannot create gold and silver, can we?

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Whios the creator of such precious metals?

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Why did God allude to gold and silver belonging to Him?

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Why didnt He claim fiat(usury) belongs to Him?

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ORIGINAL: MrFribbles

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Sigh....we cannot create gold and silver, can we?

We also cannot create value in paper-ish money. If the US government were to print out 5 trillion dollars tomorrow and distribute it evenly amongst its citizens, would we all become rich?

You can print the physical paper but you cant print gold/silver can you? If your govt did that, I would be rich! Cos gold/silver relative to your paper would rocket up as it is now in the process of .......

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Whios the creator of such precious metals?

Who is the creator of that which paper-ish money is made out of?

You are confusing value and physical. God did not create fiat. Men did. Fiat is based on usury which God forbids because its deceiving......

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Why did God allude to gold and silver belonging to Him?

What doesn't belong to God?

It would help if you studied at gold/silver in the scriptures. Hint: its associated with wealth.

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Why didnt He claim fiat(usury) belongs to Him?

Because it would have made no sense to the people at the time. Suppose God had inspired the Bible in the early 1900s. Do you think He would have mentioned anything about credit cards, or other electronic forms of money-value transfer?

Again go read on Gods take on usury.....and then study your men made systems based on usury....then come back and dsicuss

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ORIGINAL: StephK
I do think it is a good lesson about abusing the financial principles that are outlined in the Bible. There are consequences for foolish behavior.

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ORIGINAL: Thessa

Does this have anything at all to do with the end times?
Is it biblical what happened yesterday?

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ORIGINAL: mikeman2

Well of course it has something to do with end times. After all, the last time I checked we were living in the end times and last I checked the economy was tanking globally.

Having said that, I think the question is, can this be linked to Biblical prophesy? My answer is that I think it can be. Specifically, the Bible talks about a cashless system via the mark of the beast. Have you ever wondered how such a system could be adopted globally? Change is painful, therefore, a catalyst is usually needed to help facilitate change and last I checked a depression like global economy is a catalyst for change.

A paperless society would cure a lot of ills and a chip implanted on the forehead or right hand would be the world's doctor. For example, no more cheating on your taxes. No more IRS. No more missing persons. No more running from the law. The efficiency alone of such a system would be a financial "savior" for the world's financial system and it would be seen as a necessity rather than a preference. In fact, if you opposed such a system you would be seen as a problem that needed to be dealt with for the economic survival of society at large. Sound "Revelationisk" at all?

I guess the biggest question I have is, was this mess purposefully put into place to change us to a world system of some kind? That question is a little troubling to me.

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ORIGINAL: StephK

It is foolishness when people throw away basic common sense and sound financial principles for the sake of get rich quick schemes. It's greed pure and simple for the most part. This isn't the first time times have been hard and it won't be the last time. I read an article where someone with a yearly salary of $21,000 defaulted on 8 loans for some rental property because she was going to do some flipping. Multiply that by thousands and it's easy to see why things went down the way they did. That isn't satanic but utter stupidity.

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ORIGINAL: mikeman2


I guess the biggest question I have is, was this mess purposefully put into place to change us to a world system of some kind? That question is a little troubling to me.

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ORIGINAL: mikeman2

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ORIGINAL: Thessa

Does this have anything at all to do with the end times?
Is it biblical what happened yesterday?

Well of course it has something to do with end times. After all, the last time I checked we were living in the end times and last I checked the economy was tanking globally.

Having said that, I think the question is, can this be linked to Biblical prophesy? My answer is that I think it can be. Specifically, the Bible talks about a cashless system via the mark of the beast. Have you ever wondered how such a system could be adopted globally? Change is painful, therefore, a catalyst is usually needed to help facilitate change and last I checked a depression like global economy is a catalyst for change.

A paperless society would cure a lot of ills and a chip implanted on the forehead or right hand would be the world's doctor. For example, no more cheating on your taxes. No more IRS. No more missing persons. No more running from the law. The efficiency alone of such a system would be a financial "savior" for the world's financial system and it would be seen as a necessity rather than a preference. In fact, if you opposed such a system you would be seen as a problem that needed to be dealt with for the economic survival of society at large. Sound "Revelationisk" at all?

I guess the biggest question I have is, was this mess purposefully put into place to change us to a world system of some kind? That question is a little troubling to me.

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In 2007 the president signed a Presidential Directive which gives him the authority to declare a "Presidential Emergency", which has the power to suspend the Constitution for 5 years and allows him to stay in office.

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ORIGINAL: whisperingwaters


Well said.

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To get back on topic... It was mentioned that the Lord's coming will be like a thief in the night? Yes, this will not be for everyone though. Read this:

1 Thessalonians 5

The Day of the Lord

1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. 8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. 9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.
11 Therefore comfort each other and edify one another, just as you also are doing.

I think we should look at scripture to find the answers. I am sure that God has placed enough information in the Bible in order for us to be safe and secure. I have noticed that in various places in the Bible it mentions what we could expect in the End Times. Not only Revelations.

We should not only look at the Finance, we must look at ALL the signs. They MUST ALL appear in order for them to be "effective" (if you understand what I mean). Look at when Jesus lived, ALL the prophesies had to be filled. Every single detail. From Finance to Politics to Antichrist to False Prophet etc etc etc... Earthquakes, Famine, and many more.

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ORIGINAL: Sinner-Saint

It was fairly easy to find: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55824

You're talking about NSPD51 and HSPD20 which Bush signed May 9, 2007.

"When the president determines a catastrophic emergency has occurred, the president can take over all government functions and direct all private sector activities to ensure we will emerge from the emergency with an "enduring constitutional government."

Translated into layman's terms, when the president determines a national emergency has occurred, the president can declare to the office of the presidency powers usually assumed by dictators to direct any and all government and business activities until the emergency is declared over."

It does not allow the President to "stay in office" per se, nor can I find out if it is just for five years as stated, but it is there.

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ORIGINAL: cow451

"Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions; "Enduring Constitutional Government," or "ECG," means a cooperative effort among the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the Federal Government, coordinated by the President, as a matter of comity with respect to the legislative and judicial branches and with proper respect for the constitutional separation of powers among the branches, to preserve the constitutional framework under which the Nation is governed and the capability of all three branches of government to execute constitutional responsibilities and provide for orderly succession, appropriate transition of leadership, and interoperability and support of the National Essential Functions during a catastrophic emergency; [/link]

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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

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ORIGINAL: Thessa
...Then maybe you can become one of the gurus on the radio and tv as well.

No thanks. I understand the Great Commission to mean that we should be sharing the Gospel to the lost and disciplining the young in Christ rather than trying to match up today's newspaper with Revelation or Daniel or Tim LaHaye's latest book.

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ORIGINAL: mikeman2

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ORIGINAL: Thessa

Does this have anything at all to do with the end times?
Is it biblical what happened yesterday?

Well of course it has something to do with end times. After all, the last time I checked we were living in the end times and last I checked the economy was tanking globally.

Having said that, I think the question is, can this be linked to Biblical prophesy? My answer is that I think it can be. Specifically, the Bible talks about a cashless system via the mark of the beast. Have you ever wondered how such a system could be adopted globally? Change is painful, therefore, a catalyst is usually needed to help facilitate change and last I checked a depression like global economy is a catalyst for change.

A paperless society would cure a lot of ills and a chip implanted on the forehead or right hand would be the world's doctor. For example, no more cheating on your taxes. No more IRS. No more missing persons. No more running from the law. The efficiency alone of such a system would be a financial "savior" for the world's financial system and it would be seen as a necessity rather than a preference. In fact, if you opposed such a system you would be seen as a problem that needed to be dealt with for the economic survival of society at large. Sound "Revelationisk" at all?

I guess the biggest question I have is, was this mess purposefully put into place to change us to a world system of some kind? That question is a little troubling to me.