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jfwink -> What is the Bush Doctrine anyway? (9/12/2008 5:08:42 PM)

From Bill Sammon****ABC News’ Charles Gibson, who is being credited with stumping Sarah Palin on the definition of the “Bush Doctrine,” has himself defined the nebulous phrase in a variety of ways, including one that mirrored Palin’s disputed explanation.

Gibson and his colleagues have been all over the map in defining the Bush Doctrine over the last seven years. In 2001, Gibson himself defined it as “a promise that all terrorists organizations with global reach will be found, stopped and defeated.”

The term “Bush Doctrine” was first coined by columnist Charles Krauthammer three months before the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 and has undergone profound changes as the war against terror has evolved.

“There is no single meaning of the Bush Doctrine,” Krauthammer noted in a forthcoming column. “In fact, there have been four distinct meanings, each one succeeding another over the eight years of this administration — and the one Charlie Gibson cited is not the one in common usage today. It is utterly different.”****

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/12/palins-definition-of-bush-doctrine-hits-the-gibson-mark/

No wonder Palin asked Gibson to be more specific.



csl7037 -> RE: What is the Bush Doctrine anyway? (9/12/2008 6:28:06 PM)

I think by the way she said "what do you mean by that Charlie?" (or something like that) she knew what he was talking about was really just blowing smoke. She probably didn't want to make it a truly confrontational interview but I really wish she'd called him on it.



empyrealsymphony -> RE: What is the Bush Doctrine anyway? (9/12/2008 6:36:30 PM)

She didn't have a clue even after he explained it she was still lost.

The Bush Doctrine is that the United States has the right to treat countries that harbor or give aid to terrorist groups as terrorists themselves, which was used to justify the invasion of Afghanistan. It also includes the controversial policy of preventive war, which holds that the United States should depose foreign regimes that represent a supposed threat to the security of the United States, even if that threat is not immediate.



rabstark -> RE: What is the Bush Doctrine anyway? (9/12/2008 6:52:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: empyrealsymphony

She didn't have a clue even after he explained it she was still lost.

The Bush Doctrine is that the United States has the right to treat countries that harbor or give aid to terrorist groups as terrorists themselves, which was used to justify the invasion of Afghanistan. It also includes the controversial policy of preventive war, which holds that the United States should depose foreign regimes that represent a supposed threat to the security of the United States, even if that threat is not immediate.



Actually, Charlie didn't have a clue what it was either... no wonder Gov. Palin was confused. Read the article by Charles Krauthammer linked by the OP. Krauthammer is the man who coined the term originally, so he should know what it means and why Gibson was off base with his question.



letusreason -> RE: What is the Bush Doctrine anyway? (9/12/2008 8:29:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: empyrealsymphony

She didn't have a clue even after he explained it she was still lost.

The Bush Doctrine is that the United States has the right to treat countries that harbor or give aid to terrorist groups as terrorists themselves, which was used to justify the invasion of Afghanistan. It also includes the controversial policy of preventive war, which holds that the United States should depose foreign regimes that represent a supposed threat to the security of the United States, even if that threat is not immediate.


Dude, did you even read the above??

I know you are a youtube guy but you're going to have to work the reading skills here a little more I think.

Here's another one to show why Charlie's "gotcha" question was so off the wall and screwed up.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/12/AR2008091202457.html?hpid=opinionsbox1



TMeeks -> RE: What is the Bush Doctrine anyway? (9/12/2008 8:35:47 PM)

That is the radical left's fantasy definition. Raise a straw man that you can then destroy.

Here is the Obama Doctrine. Talk nice to all countries no matter how insane or dangerous and empty out our weapons storerooms so maybe the bad guys will play nice.

According to the Obama Doctrine, Putin and Obama will have a rousing game of WII bowling to decide who takes over the world. The loser has to order all new textbooks in Russian or Farsi


quote:

ORIGINAL: empyrealsymphony

She didn't have a clue even after he explained it she was still lost.

The Bush Doctrine is that the United States has the right to treat countries that harbor or give aid to terrorist groups as terrorists themselves, which was used to justify the invasion of Afghanistan. It also includes the controversial policy of preventive war, which holds that the United States should depose foreign regimes that represent a supposed threat to the security of the United States, even if that threat is not immediate.



inthysite -> RE: What is the Bush Doctrine anyway? (9/12/2008 9:24:03 PM)

I think Palin's initial response was reasonable given the way the question was asked:

He asked Palin, "Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?"

She responded, "In what respect, Charlie?"

She was looking for clarification on what he meant. The question was very ambiguous at best.

What if I asked you if you agree with the church's doctrine? Which doctrine am I talking about, salvation, the Trinity, sin?

I follow politics pretty close and I'll admit I had never heard of the Bush Doctrine before now.



TaoPoohBear -> RE: What is the Bush Doctrine anyway? (9/12/2008 9:58:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TMeeks

That is the radical left's fantasy definition. Raise a straw man that you can then destroy.

Here is the Obama Doctrine. Talk nice to all countries no matter how insane or dangerous and empty out our weapons storerooms so maybe the bad guys will play nice.

According to the Obama Doctrine, Putin and Obama will have a rousing game of WII bowling to decide who takes over the world. The loser has to order all new textbooks in Russian or Farsi


This is called thoughtful research -

The Candidates on Defense Policy

It's done by grownups.
(get one to read it to you [:D])



ManimalX -> RE: What is the Bush Doctrine anyway? (9/12/2008 11:10:05 PM)

Boy, too bad Gov. Palin wasn't able to read that website before her interview [sm=aside.gif]

You did notice that there is no mention of this fabled "Bush Doctrine" in the link you provided, right? Maybe the grown-ups that run the site didn't know what it was either...

So the point still stands: the "Bush Doctrine" is inside lefty-speak, and expecting everyone to automatically know it is is pompous. Shoot, even O'Reilly defined the "Bush Doctrine" totally different than the left is now defining it.



letusreason -> RE: What is the Bush Doctrine anyway? (9/13/2008 11:12:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ManimalX



So the point still stands: the "Bush Doctrine" is inside lefty-speak, and expecting everyone to automatically know it is is pompous.


or "inflamatory" lefty speak, what have you.



P31W -> RE: What is the Bush Doctrine anyway? (9/13/2008 11:38:37 AM)

That's what I want to know.

So far the only people who have given me an answer have said five differant things. It appears to me that Bush Doctrine is something people make up as "they" go along. Or they are just guessing.

As for me. Until Bush puts out a statement saying "This is my doctrine" I plan to view it as something the media has made up.

(BTW I have not read any of the post in this thread yet. I am speaking from just my RW experience with the term that I had never heard of myself until the interview)



letusreason -> RE: What is the Bush Doctrine anyway? (9/13/2008 11:48:11 AM)

More on what the "snarky" Charlie Gibson didn't know about it.

http://media.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODFkOTU3MjUwYWM4N2I1NzE2ZjU3NGQzZjg0MzYyZjk=

Pay attention here liberals you won't learn about this kind of truth anywhere else!

The fact that Charlie acts like he knows something he doesn't proves to me he is a liberal..plus the fact that after his interview he mentioned throwing the inerview back to George Stephanopolous and crew to further parse and fact check... ???

who gets this kind of treatment in politics???

wow they really want this woman put down it seems!



TaoPoohBear -> RE: What is the Bush Doctrine anyway? (9/13/2008 11:57:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ManimalX
You did notice that there is no mention of this fabled "Bush Doctrine" in the link you provided, right? Maybe the grown-ups that run the site didn't know what it was either...

My reply, for the reading challenged, was to some spurious "Obama doctrine" about defense.
quote:

So the point still stands: the "Bush Doctrine" is inside lefty-speak, and expecting everyone to automatically know it is is pompous. Shoot, even O'Reilly defined the "Bush Doctrine" totally different than the left is now defining it.

Charles Krauthammer, that notorious Fox News "lefty speaker" came up with the phrase Bush Doctrine.[:D]



tinydancer2 -> RE: What is the Bush Doctrine anyway? (9/13/2008 1:22:48 PM)

Here we go..as much some can find his doctrine confusing and etc not the case with his legacies, as much I dont understand what right or left channels commentators thinks and Mr. Bush negative and low popularity in the rest of the world can point out clearly, why the dislike of the Bush Administration. The disregard of international laws and invade ilegaly, a sovereigner nation. After all of that kept insisting he was right never admiting his mistakes and his lies and cover ups. As much Mr. Bush may think history will agree with him in the end, he is delirious because at least for now, he is the worse US President ever, to the World majority of its population, its not complicate to conclude why.

Most of the world mistrust USA of Bush and his suporters, the proud ways of disdain it has for what the world thinks anyways or the international laws. To lead a Superpower Nation, carrying heavy nationalism and pushing for more and more expasion of its weapons and military as the Republican party has and on top of that lacking in the department of diplomacy and foreigner policies etc etc is a disaster not waiting to happen but already did.

Now US must decide what it wants to play in the international arena because the present facts are very poor indeed. Hopefuly the next administration "doctrine" do not imitate the present one. Lord have mercy, the world cannot afford that the President and its administration of the Superpower nation of the world have no idea how to engage globaly, in the times we live in! What is that? Have an arsenal for global security and invade nations unlawfully?

Trully I have no more patience for the tribal nationalist ways some US citizens have as everything centers about their right and left commentators and parties agendas. And than the world have to end up having to separate their government actions internationaly from the USA People. But how can it be if the people are the ones voting in their leaders? Please, choose wisely your candidates and think about the big global picture.

I feel better now..

Thanks, just venting...



ManimalX -> RE: What is the Bush Doctrine anyway? (9/13/2008 3:17:52 PM)

Which laws did Bush break again?

And what did he lie about?

And for your info, the US isn't "hated" around the world. This is a lefty liberal story perpetuated by the dominant liberal mass media (DLMM). Reports from the real world indicate otherwise. In fact, you can look around the world and see the rise of conservative leaning, pro-American leaders in many nations. The DLMM will never tell you that, though. They will only find good video of anti-Americans for the evening news.

Don't be so fast to be embarrassed of your country. We are still the shining beacon of hope in a darkening world.



iluvatar -> RE: What is the Bush Doctrine anyway? (9/13/2008 3:46:56 PM)

There's a bit of truth on both sides of this issue. The specific definition of the Bush Doctrine has been fuzzy, but she had absolutely no idea what he was talking about. If she was aware of the Bush Doctrine, but wanted to comment on a specific part or version of it, she should have turned the tables on him and made him specify what definition he was talking about, or at least responded to it in a way that also defined her understanding of it. I don't know how anybody can watch that and think that she was being coy and not clueless.

-Dan.



csl7037 -> RE: What is the Bush Doctrine anyway? (9/13/2008 3:55:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AdrianaS
Now US must decide what it wants to play in the international arena because the present facts are very poor indeed. Hopefuly the next administration "doctrine" do not imitate the present one. Lord have mercy, the world cannot afford that the President and its administration of the Superpower nation of the world have no idea how to engage globaly, in the times we live in! What is that? Have an arsenal for global security and invade nations unlawfully?

Trully I have no more patience for the tribal nationalist ways some US citizens have as everything centers about their right and left commentators and parties agendas. And than the world have to end up having to separate their government actions internationaly from the USA People. But how can it be if the people are the ones voting in their leaders? Please, choose wisely your candidates and think about the big global picture.


The thing is, thankfully, most Americans are still more concerned about being safe than about what the rest of the world thinks. You're so right that this is a critical point in this election, though. Whatever you think of Bush, I'd take his blustery "doctrine" over cow-towing to the UN anyday! I'm just praying we get a leader who appreciates our own sovereignty and values (or even just understands) what made America great (I don't think Obama has a clue) and will be committed to protect it....I just want the next President to do that competently!

Even if the Bush Doctrine were a real, honest-to-goodness "doctrine" that Bush had set out to implement, if we were going to discuss that, IMO, the real problem would be that he's done a terrible job of it.


quote:

ORIGINAL: ManimalX
Don't be so fast to be embarrassed of your country. We are still the shining beacon of hope in a darkening world.


For now. [:(]



litfire2000 -> RE: What is the Bush Doctrine anyway? (9/13/2008 4:12:42 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: inthysite

I think Palin's initial response was reasonable given the way the question was asked:

He asked Palin, "Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?"

She responded, "In what respect, Charlie?"

She was looking for clarification on what he meant. The question was very ambiguous at best.

What if I asked you if you agree with the church's doctrine? Which doctrine am I talking about, salvation, the Trinity, sin?

I follow politics pretty close and I'll admit I had never heard of the Bush Doctrine before now.


so true...[:D]just wondering can anyone tell me what they think of the monroe doctrine?



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