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RE: From an onlooker... - 9/11/2008 11:59:54 PM
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Triple Amen to this.
I've stopped posting here lately just because the level of animosity, hypocrisy (on both sides), and childishness completely depresses me. There's such a palpable level of very real hatred seething under the surface here that you can't read anything without getting sucked into it, which is kind of sad given that this is a Christian forum. This is something that comes from both sides as well, and it's not a left/right issue. I'm sick of it and I've realized that I don't gain much of anything from posting here anymore, entertainment wise or information wise, nor is it intellectually stimulating in anyway -it's just childish idiots shouting, faking outrage, and trying to "one up" each other as best as possible (and I've done my share of this as well, so I certainly include myself in this criticism). I think posting here tends to kill more brain cells than it stimulates so I've been thinking of just retiring my account.
I hope you stick around, Henny.
A moderate point of view in these forums is an endangered species, and it would be too bad to allow those who share their opinions with all the grace of a Molotov cocktail to drive you and others with differing opinions (God forbid) away in a self-righteous witch hunt.
Just remember: it takes no character nor guts nor intelligence to snipe at someone else from the safety of a keyboard. All it takes is a coward.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/12/2008 12:28:20 AM
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tax and spend social programs like the ones that failed under Lyndon Johnson is not a factor? Such as?
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bothers you but obama's slum lord rezko problem and his close associations will bill ayers doesn't both you let alone jeramiah wright ... don't hold double standards ... a presidential advisor (rove) vs known terrorists etc Obama, to my knowledge, has severed relations with all these people. They certainly are not giving him any kind of advisment on his campaign. The same cannot be said of Rove and McCain. This campaign and the tenor it has taken over the past two weeks has Karl Rove written all over it. It is the way he campaigns, it's the only way he campaigns. And if McCain doesn't put a stop to it, it is to his detriment as a man and as a politician. Rove stinks like sour milk.
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RE: From an onlooker... - 9/12/2008 8:20:28 AM
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Here we have two candidates who are both good people at heart, and could set a standard by dismissing the dirty tactics. Instead there's mean-spirited and inaccuarte ads putting down the other, alot of sladering and mud slinging, and I really thought Americans have had enough of this...
I largely agree with the gist of your post.
I'd like to add some things:
None of the four candidates have put much energy into the "pig...lipstick" issue. People loosely linked to either campaign have added fuel to the fire. But the major firestorm seems to have been the media itself. We simply have to accept the fact that, in the age of information, persuasion and sensation is going to take on this low form all too frequently.
Those of us who are Christians might remind ourselves that we are to be in the world but not of it, before we make comments that are just like the ones unbelievers might make. I include myself here. And we need to remind ourselves often.
There are a few places where you can get a slightly higher view of the campaign. One of them was a forum on public TV last night where they conducted lengthy interviews with each candidate. The responses were more thoughtful and high minded that what you get in the rapid fire of a debate, or what you get in political rallies or ads.
Perhaps you and I should devote more effort to pointing people towards the better aspects of the campaign, instead of spending so much time and energy decrying its very real low points.
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RE: From an onlooker... - 9/12/2008 9:13:56 AM
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I've been a visitor to this forum for a little over a month now (have been visiting the site for bible commentaries and to view the bible online when needed for years). I am saddened by what I have seen in this forum about the election. Here I've seen my brothers and sisters in Christ say such nasty things about others, questioning people's devotion to their faith because they differ on views (or just out right saying you can't be a Christian if you think or believe in whatever issues) , and ect., and it all is sad. I'm a political junkie but I also like to see what other people of different political parties, race, faith are saying about the election, and to my surprise I see such things that aren't of God being said in of all places a Christian forum. I couldn't hold my peace though after reading some of my fellow Christians comments.
I'm a very open-minded person and with this election, I haven't been anything less. I listen to the speeches, commentaries, have read thoroughly about the candidates platforms to know what they're running on, so I'd like to think I'm informed as well. I personally don't think politics should be as dirty as it is, but what was spun out of the republican campaign was a new low. I've heard the now infamous speech numerous times now in its entirety to see that what was said wasn't what it's been made out to be (like many of you have also said). It's a common term that's used from congressman to your everyday person, so common enough it's been used by many politicians, including McCain himself more than a few times in this election campaign alone (at times used when talking about Hillary's healthcare plan... to the poster who said this is the first time Obama has made this comment so he must have been referencing Palin, we have a vast amount of information to us unlike so many other elections where we can find out for ourselves the truth and not make up our own conclusions or whatever the case may be, but if searched, you would see Obama use the lipstick phrase in refrence to Bush in Washington Post intervew last year). However people have run with this to the point where they're asking for Obama to apologize; it's a low form of politics. Many say you have to be dirty when playing politics, but when mud is slung at someone (which in this election seems so be thrown alot at a particular candidate), they're in a catch 22 situation, if they don't speak up about something, then they're hiding from it and if they do, then they're whining about or being mean; but when the shoe is on the other foot, all those rules go out the window... it's total hypocrisy.
Here we have two candidates who are both good people at heart, and could set a standard by dismissing the dirty tactics. Instead there's mean-spirited and inaccuarte ads putting down the other, alot of sladering and mud slinging, and I really thought Americans have had enough of this... but this this whole lipstick story becomes headlines news all day yesterday... what a distraction from the issues that I would like to hear from both parties, out of their own mouths. I'm not for one party over the other, but I just think that some people here should be mindful that though people may not post here, they may read what's written like myself. You may have those who aren't saved are in search of Christ visitng the site and then upon further exploration, find this forum about the election, and what kind of message is that sending out with some of the mean spirited thread titles and comments being written. I'm all for listening to others, discussing issues, but I think it can be done without being so mean and judging someone's faith constantly.
Triple Amen to this.
I've stopped posting here lately just because the level of animosity, hypocrisy (on both sides), and childishness completely depresses me. There's such a palpable level of very real hatred seething under the surface here that you can't read anything without getting sucked into it, which is kind of sad given that this is a Christian forum. This is something that comes from both sides as well, and it's not a left/right issue. I'm sick of it and I've realized that I don't gain much of anything from posting here anymore, entertainment wise or information wise, nor is it intellectually stimulating in anyway -it's just childish idiots shouting, faking outrage, and trying to "one up" each other as best as possible (and I've done my share of this as well, so I certainly include myself in this criticism). I think posting here tends to kill more brain cells than it stimulates so I've been thinking of just retiring my account.
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I've stopped posting here lately just because the level of animosity, hypocrisy (on both sides), and childishness completely depresses me. There's such a palpable level of very real hatred seething under the surface here
Quadruple amen, can I get a hallelujah, and preach on, brothers, to both of those.
Who cares if it was directed at Palin (which it has been, BEYOND clearly shown that it was not)? McCain was a jerk to Hilary, and Palin's been a jerk to her former competition.
They're politicians - puppets, when in office, at best to the lobbyists who really run the government.
What I care about is i-s-s-u-e-s. You know, the stuff that, if elected, will be their daily tasks. Those pesky things that are the reasons they are in the media spotlight to begin with.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/12/2008 9:33:50 AM
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No, this is my first post. No other alias.
That would explain your comment about people questioning your morals, motives, and heart before you ever posted...
What I meant - any stereotyping of Obama supporters (or Democrats) - and there has been plenty of that in this group - is questioning my morals, motives, and heart regardless of whether I have posted before or not. If I am part of "that group," then the stereotypes refer to me.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/12/2008 9:38:27 AM
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The same cannot be said of Rove and McCain. This campaign and the tenor it has taken over the past two weeks has Karl Rove written all over it. It is the way he campaigns, it's the only way he campaigns. And if McCain doesn't put a stop to it, it is to his detriment as a man and as a politician. Rove stinks like sour milk.
rove derangement syndrome at its finest: rove has one phone call with mccain and you think he's running the campaign. i counter with an independent newspaper story detailing mccain's campaign workings linking the responsible person (schmidt) for 'saving' mccain's campaign, and you retort by stating the same factually incorrect opinion. i'm not sure if you are new to following politics, but negative campaigning has been around for decades, long before karl rove was born. i love how the counter to 'obama is sexist' is 'rove is running mccain's campaign'. you can put lipstick on your arguments relady, but they're still pigs.
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RE: From an onlooker... - 9/12/2008 9:41:26 AM
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I've been a visitor to this forum for a little over a month now (have been visiting the site for bible commentaries and to view the bible online when needed for years). I am saddened by what I have seen in this forum about the election. Here I've seen my brothers and sisters in Christ say such nasty things about others, questioning people's devotion to their faith because they differ on views (or just out right saying you can't be a Christian if you think or believe in whatever issues) , and ect., and it all is sad. I'm a political junkie but I also like to see what other people of different political parties, race, faith are saying about the election, and to my surprise I see such things that aren't of God being said in of all places a Christian forum. I couldn't hold my peace though after reading some of my fellow Christians comments.
I'm a very open-minded person and with this election, I haven't been anything less. I listen to the speeches, commentaries, have read thoroughly about the candidates platforms to know what they're running on, so I'd like to think I'm informed as well. I personally don't think politics should be as dirty as it is, but what was spun out of the republican campaign was a new low. I've heard the now infamous speech numerous times now in its entirety to see that what was said wasn't what it's been made out to be (like many of you have also said). It's a common term that's used from congressman to your everyday person, so common enough it's been used by many politicians, including McCain himself more than a few times in this election campaign alone (at times used when talking about Hillary's healthcare plan... to the poster who said this is the first time Obama has made this comment so he must have been referencing Palin, we have a vast amount of information to us unlike so many other elections where we can find out for ourselves the truth and not make up our own conclusions or whatever the case may be, but if searched, you would see Obama use the lipstick phrase in refrence to Bush in Washington Post intervew last year). However people have run with this to the point where they're asking for Obama to apologize; it's a low form of politics. Many say you have to be dirty when playing politics, but when mud is slung at someone (which in this election seems so be thrown alot at a particular candidate), they're in a catch 22 situation, if they don't speak up about something, then they're hiding from it and if they do, then they're whining about or being mean; but when the shoe is on the other foot, all those rules go out the window... it's total hypocrisy.
Here we have two candidates who are both good people at heart, and could set a standard by dismissing the dirty tactics. Instead there's mean-spirited and inaccuarte ads putting down the other, alot of sladering and mud slinging, and I really thought Americans have had enough of this... but this this whole lipstick story becomes headlines news all day yesterday... what a distraction from the issues that I would like to hear from both parties, out of their own mouths. I'm not for one party over the other, but I just think that some people here should be mindful that though people may not post here, they may read what's written like myself. You may have those who aren't saved are in search of Christ visitng the site and then upon further exploration, find this forum about the election, and what kind of message is that sending out with some of the mean spirited thread titles and comments being written. I'm all for listening to others, discussing issues, but I think it can be done without being so mean and judging someone's faith constantly.
Triple Amen to this.
I've stopped posting here lately just because the level of animosity, hypocrisy (on both sides), and childishness completely depresses me. There's such a palpable level of very real hatred seething under the surface here that you can't read anything without getting sucked into it, which is kind of sad given that this is a Christian forum. This is something that comes from both sides as well, and it's not a left/right issue. I'm sick of it and I've realized that I don't gain much of anything from posting here anymore, entertainment wise or information wise, nor is it intellectually stimulating in anyway -it's just childish idiots shouting, faking outrage, and trying to "one up" each other as best as possible (and I've done my share of this as well, so I certainly include myself in this criticism). I think posting here tends to kill more brain cells than it stimulates so I've been thinking of just retiring my account.
Quadruple Amen.
Like you, this will be my last post. I would love to discuss the issues with fellow Christians. Sharing my political beliefs is not a prerequisite (for me) to engage in meaningful discussions, but I want to do so in a way that is uplifting to me and those with whom I am communicating.
My earlier remark about being a grandmother of five was meant to "put a face" on the person being criticized for expressing my opinions; would individuals talk disrespectfully to their grandmothers? Doubtful..... That's all.
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RE: From an onlooker... - 9/12/2008 9:49:18 AM
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Who cares if it was directed at Palin (which it has been, BEYOND clearly shown that it was not)? McCain was a jerk to Hilary, and Palin's been a jerk to her former competition.
I believe my last post and link with an article describing how a liberal cartoonist drew a pig with lipstick which has Palin's likeness on it next to McCain days before BO made his childish personal remark reflecting the same sentiments as the cartoon and had his own backers agreeing that Palin was a pig, definitively shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that IT WAS directed to her!
To state otherwise miasma, shows an utter denial of what is real.
And McCain get's verbally knifed because of not defending what SOMEONE ELSE said about Hillary, wutevr. lame and not the same in the least.
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RE: From an onlooker... - 9/12/2008 10:05:20 AM
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And the libs/Dems came all apart when the guy in Georgia put out a tee shirt of Obama/Curious George. Could we possibly have a double standard here?
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Who cares if it was directed at Palin (which it has been, BEYOND clearly shown that it was not)? McCain was a jerk to Hilary, and Palin's been a jerk to her former competition.
I believe my last post and link with an article describing how a liberal cartoonist drew a pig with lipstick which has Palin's likeness on it next to McCain days before BO made his childish personal remark reflecting the same sentiments as the cartoon and had his own backers agreeing that Palin was a pig, definitively shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that IT WAS directed to her!
To state otherwise miasma, shows an utter denial of what is real.
And McCain get's verbally knifed because of not defending what SOMEONE ELSE said about Hillary, wutevr. lame and not the same in the least.
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RE: From an onlooker... - 9/12/2008 10:06:07 AM
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I believe my last post and link with an article describing how a liberal cartoonist drew a pig with lipstick which has Palin's likeness on it next to McCain days before BO made his childish personal remark reflecting the same sentiments as the cartoon and had his own backers agreeing that Palin was a pig, definitively shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that IT WAS directed to her!
don't know it shows it was directed at her but it shows why audience liked the line so much. great find letusreason using reason and facts.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/12/2008 10:07:57 AM
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That's what I took it for, so I jumped right on it, hoping to deflate it a bit.
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I'm a grandfather of five, not that has any significance to this. Nor does your claim. Since you have ONE POST, I fail to see how anyone has slammed your character or morals.
By the way, welcome to CW.
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I can no longer keep quiet... I am a born-again Christian... who also happens to be a lifelong Democrat and Obama supporter. How dare any of you question my morals, my motives, and my heart! Especially those of you with Scripture verses tagged to the bottom of your notes. What we have here is the Karl-Rovian style of politics that existed in 2004 and it is wrong, regardless of which party is responsible for it. IF - and I say if - Obama deliberately used the phrase as a slam to Palin, he owes her an apology. But, the McCain campaign also owes Obama apologies for many of the untruths they are saying about him. If Obama is indeed the devil that some of you portray him to be, then the TRUTH should be enough to defeat him.... Can we not pray together that we can have political discussions based on truth, the issues, and that we can learn about the character of the individuals who are asking to lead us. Would either of them be worse than the last 8 years? AND, that is all I have to say. REMEMBER, I am a grandmother of five when you decide to slam my character and morals.
That was a preemptive strike, something liberals hate when taken against brutal dictators, but love when taken against American conservatives.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/12/2008 10:08:06 AM
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The same cannot be said of Rove and McCain. This campaign and the tenor it has taken over the past two weeks has Karl Rove written all over it. It is the way he campaigns, it's the only way he campaigns. And if McCain doesn't put a stop to it, it is to his detriment as a man and as a politician. Rove stinks like sour milk.
rove derangement syndrome at its finest: rove has one phone call with mccain and you think he's running the campaign. i counter with an independent newspaper story detailing mccain's campaign workings linking the responsible person (schmidt) for 'saving' mccain's campaign, and you retort by stating the same factually incorrect opinion. i'm not sure if you are new to following politics, but negative campaigning has been around for decades, long before karl rove was born. i love how the counter to 'obama is sexist' is 'rove is running mccain's campaign'. you can put lipstick on your arguments relady, but they're still pigs.
Karl Rove is not (that I am aware of) working for the McCain campaign. However, both Schmidt and Nicole Wallace, another of McCain's senior advisers have worked closely with Rove in the past. It stands to reason that there would be a similar style in their tactics.
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RE: From an onlooker... - 9/12/2008 10:18:49 AM
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Another 'Amen' to Longfingers, Misama, Henny and Adelphi.
Americans need to look at real issues. Christians need to rise-above the sleaze and show how or Lord wants us to treat each other.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/12/2008 10:39:37 AM
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Karl Rove is not (that I am aware of) working for the McCain campaign. However, both Schmidt and Nicole Wallace, another of McCain's senior advisers have worked closely with Rove in the past. It stands to reason that there would be a similar style in their tactics.
McCain Orders Shake-up of His Campaign
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thank you dan. wallace certainly did work on the 2004 campaign in an actual position it does states. i'm not sure if schmidt worked with rove during campaigns or afterwards - good research. i'm not going to say working with someone means your tactics will be very similiar (think of all different types of styles in the workplace, i have different style from my boss for example) but it would still mean that schmidt has a working knowledge of them. someone else is going to learn from schmidt on this campaign and maybe work for another candidate in 2016. does that rove is running palin's campaign then? do you think rove is making secret phone calls and running the campaign as an unpaid advisor more than schmidt/wallace/etc.
i don't know about guilt by association, i think negative campaigning by all sorts of different candidates have been around for decades.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/12/2008 11:55:38 AM
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apparently they aren't very well informed since it WAS NOT a slam at Palin, as can be very easily seen by watching the clips of what he was talking about. So...what would you call Dems who accepted what the party was putting out if they could very easily check and see that it is tripe, designed to manipulate? I have a feeling it would be something a whole lot nastier than "uninformed" or "politically uneducated."
So to answer your question...anyone who still believes this was about Palin is either just not in touch with reality, or they are VERY politically uneducated.
Like I said, his audience, his supporters, clearly understood who it was a reference to - so apparently they aren't in touch with reality - which I have contended a number of times.
LOL good observation!
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/12/2008 12:16:03 PM
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Jesus was a community organizer, Pontius Pilate was a Governor.
Jesus was not a community organizer. He is the Creator and Savior of the world.
Trying to drag Jesus down to that of a mere community organizer is well........ 
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/12/2008 12:23:02 PM
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Jesus was a community organizer, Pontius Pilate was a Governor.
Jesus was not a community organizer. He is the Creator and Savior of the world.
Trying to drag Jesus down to that of a mere community organizer is well........
Jesus being Creator and Savior does not mean that he could not be a community organizer as well.
An analogy - Jesus was Creator and Savior of the world, but that didn't stop him from being a good friend, a healer, and enjoying good wine.
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RE: From an onlooker... - 9/12/2008 12:49:17 PM
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I've been a visitor to this forum for a little over a month now (have been visiting the site for bible commentaries and to view the bible online when needed for years). I am saddened by what I have seen in this forum about the election. Here I've seen my brothers and sisters in Christ say such nasty things about others, questioning people's devotion to their faith because they differ on views (or just out right saying you can't be a Christian if you think or believe in whatever issues) , and ect., and it all is sad. I'm a political junkie but I also like to see what other people of different political parties, race, faith are saying about the election, and to my surprise I see such things that aren't of God being said in of all places a Christian forum. I couldn't hold my peace though after reading some of my fellow Christians comments. ...
Triple Amen to this.
I've stopped posting here lately just because the level of animosity, hypocrisy (on both sides), and childishness completely depresses me. There's such a palpable level of very real hatred seething under the surface here that you can't read anything without getting sucked into it, which is kind of sad given that this is a Christian forum. This is something that comes from both sides as well, and it's not a left/right issue. I'm sick of it and I've realized that I don't gain much of anything from posting here anymore, entertainment wise or information wise, nor is it intellectually stimulating in anyway -it's just childish idiots shouting, faking outrage, and trying to "one up" each other as best as possible (and I've done my share of this as well, so I certainly include myself in this criticism). I think posting here tends to kill more brain cells than it stimulates so I've been thinking of just retiring my account.
Quadruple Amen.
Like you, this will be my last post. I would love to discuss the issues with fellow Christians. Sharing my political beliefs is not a prerequisite (for me) to engage in meaningful discussions, but I want to do so in a way that is uplifting to me and those with whom I am communicating.
My earlier remark about being a grandmother of five was meant to "put a face" on the person being criticized for expressing my opinions; would individuals talk disrespectfully to their grandmothers? Doubtful..... That's all.
BO used his grandmother as an example of racial ignorance.
"I can no more disown him (Wright) than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother... a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe."
Nothing like tossing grandmother under the bus. She confesses something to him and he tells the entire world. Hey everyone! My grammy was a racist!
Grammy was a racist!
Where is his devotion to Rev. Wright now?
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/12/2008 1:50:30 PM
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So does that justify turning Him into a bumper sticker slogan? Man, how some people can justify stuff like this is beyond me.
-Dave
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Jesus was a community organizer, Pontius Pilate was a Governor.
Jesus was not a community organizer. He is the Creator and Savior of the world.
Trying to drag Jesus down to that of a mere community organizer is well........
Jesus being Creator and Savior does not mean that he could not be a community organizer as well.
An analogy - Jesus was Creator and Savior of the world, but that didn't stop him from being a good friend, a healer, and enjoying good wine.
I believe you are desparate need of something to be outraged about.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/12/2008 2:21:23 PM
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davemiller7
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Thanx, WesP. And He organized His Church without the help of Saul Alinsky.
-Dave
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ORIGINAL: WesP
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ORIGINAL: SwedishCovenant
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
So does that justify turning Him into a bumper sticker slogan? Man, how some people can justify stuff like this is beyond me.
-Dave
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ORIGINAL: SwedishCovenant
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ORIGINAL: P31W
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Jesus was a community organizer, Pontius Pilate was a Governor.
Jesus was not a community organizer. He is the Creator and Savior of the world.
Trying to drag Jesus down to that of a mere community organizer is well........
Jesus being Creator and Savior does not mean that he could not be a community organizer as well.
An analogy - Jesus was Creator and Savior of the world, but that didn't stop him from being a good friend, a healer, and enjoying good wine.
I believe you are desparate need of something to be outraged about.
Actually, I can understand the anger at claiming Jesus was a community organizer in the context that it is being used. The only "community" that I know of that Jesus organized was/is the Church. That is a totally different type of organization.
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-Dave
The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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