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ORIGINAL: Longfingers1

I've been a visitor to this forum for a little over a month now (have been visiting the site for bible commentaries and to view the bible online when needed for years). I am saddened by what I have seen in this forum about the election. Here I've seen my brothers and sisters in Christ say such nasty things about others, questioning people's devotion to their faith because they differ on views (or just out right saying you can't be a Christian if you think or believe in whatever issues) , and ect., and it all is sad. I'm a political junkie but I also like to see what other people of different political parties, race, faith are saying about the election, and to my surprise I see such things that aren't of God being said in of all places a Christian forum. I couldn't hold my peace though after reading some of my fellow Christians comments.

I'm a very open-minded person and with this election, I haven't been anything less. I listen to the speeches, commentaries, have read thoroughly about the candidates platforms to know what they're running on, so I'd like to think I'm informed as well. I personally don't think politics should be as dirty as it is, but what was spun out of the republican campaign was a new low. I've heard the now infamous speech numerous times now in its entirety to see that what was said wasn't what it's been made out to be (like many of you have also said). It's a common term that's used from congressman to your everyday person, so common enough it's been used by many politicians, including McCain himself more than a few times in this election campaign alone (at times used when talking about Hillary's healthcare plan... to the poster who said this is the first time Obama has made this comment so he must have been referencing Palin, we have a vast amount of information to us unlike so many other elections where we can find out for ourselves the truth and not make up our own conclusions or whatever the case may be, but if searched, you would see Obama use the lipstick phrase in refrence to Bush in Washington Post intervew last year). However people have run with this to the point where they're asking for Obama to apologize; it's a low form of politics. Many say you have to be dirty when playing politics, but when mud is slung at someone (which in this election seems so be thrown alot at a particular candidate), they're in a catch 22 situation, if they don't speak up about something, then they're hiding from it and if they do, then they're whining about or being mean; but when the shoe is on the other foot, all those rules go out the window... it's total hypocrisy.

Here we have two candidates who are both good people at heart, and could set a standard by dismissing the dirty tactics. Instead there's mean-spirited and inaccuarte ads putting down the other, alot of sladering and mud slinging, and I really thought Americans have had enough of this... but this this whole lipstick story becomes headlines news all day yesterday... what a distraction from the issues that I would like to hear from both parties, out of their own mouths. I'm not for one party over the other, but I just think that some people here should be mindful that though people may not post here, they may read what's written like myself. You may have those who aren't saved are in search of Christ visitng the site and then upon further exploration, find this forum about the election, and what kind of message is that sending out with some of the mean spirited thread titles and comments being written. I'm all for listening to others, discussing issues, but I think it can be done without being so mean and judging someone's faith constantly.

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ORIGINAL: iwillfearnoevil

why does no liberal democrat want to comment on obama's OTHER gender stereotypes when campainging against women: kitchen sink, claws out, periodically feeling down, sweeties references, jay-z motions?

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ORIGINAL: huangshan

Actually, upon reflection, if you seriously think that Obama "brushing the dirt off his shoulder" is misogynistic, I wholly understand where this absurd outrage over the lipstick pig comment is coming from. I confess, I was not aware that people could be so creative in finding ways to be offended. It's very much like the six degrees of Kevin Bacon.

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ORIGINAL: adelphi_sky



Even AFTER it's been PROVEN in print and on VIDEO that McCain used the EXACT same "lipstick on a pig" phrase, it baffles me that people still accuse Obama as being sexist. You can't have it both ways.

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ORIGINAL: SwedishCovenant

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ORIGINAL: huangshan

Actually, upon reflection, if you seriously think that Obama "brushing the dirt off his shoulder" is misogynistic, I wholly understand where this absurd outrage over the lipstick pig comment is coming from. I confess, I was not aware that people could be so creative in finding ways to be offended. It's very much like the six degrees of Kevin Bacon.

Feigned outrage is all the McPalin people have to work with.

You'll note that they aren't talking up McCain's "95% of George Bush's Failures" very much these days.

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ORIGINAL: letusreason

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ORIGINAL: SwedishCovenant

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ORIGINAL: huangshan

Actually, upon reflection, if you seriously think that Obama "brushing the dirt off his shoulder" is misogynistic, I wholly understand where this absurd outrage over the lipstick pig comment is coming from. I confess, I was not aware that people could be so creative in finding ways to be offended. It's very much like the six degrees of Kevin Bacon.

Feigned outrage is all the McPalin people have to work with.

You'll note that they aren't talking up McCain's "95% of George Bush's Failures" very much these days.

And democratic bloggers callin Palin a pig is what Obama has voting for him.

Bush 7
Terrorists 0

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ORIGINAL: stamper_ben

America is on the ropes? Explain that please, in a little more than the generalities as you did.

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He's been going after Palin since the convention.

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karl rove is not working for the campaign ...

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ORIGINAL: relady
Perhaps not, but he has a LOT of input. This campaign has all the Karl Rove earmarks...repeat the lie loud enough and often enough and people will believe it. The fact that McCain even allows someone like Rove to be involved on any level tells me all I need to know -- and that is that I don't need him running my country.

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ORIGINAL: CAHardbarger

I can no longer keep quiet... I am a born-again Christian... who also happens to be a lifelong Democrat and Obama supporter. How dare any of you question my morals, my motives, and my heart! Especially those of you with Scripture verses tagged to the bottom of your notes. What we have here is the Karl-Rovian style of politics that existed in 2004 and it is wrong, regardless of which party is responsible for it. IF - and I say if - Obama deliberately used the phrase as a slam to Palin, he owes her an apology. But, the McCain campaign also owes Obama apologies for many of the untruths they are saying about him. If Obama is indeed the devil that some of you portray him to be, then the TRUTH should be enough to defeat him.... Can we not pray together that we can have political discussions based on truth, the issues, and that we can learn about the character of the individuals who are asking to lead us. Would either of them be worse than the last 8 years? AND, that is all I have to say. REMEMBER, I am a grandmother of five when you decide to slam my character and morals.

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ORIGINAL: Longfingers1
You may have those who aren't saved are in search of Christ visitng the site and then upon further exploration, find this forum about the election, and what kind of message is that sending out with some of the mean spirited thread titles and comments being written. I'm all for listening to others, discussing issues, but I think it can be done without being so mean and judging someone's faith constantly.

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ORIGINAL: SwedishCovenant

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ORIGINAL: letusreason

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ORIGINAL: SwedishCovenant

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ORIGINAL: huangshan

Actually, upon reflection, if you seriously think that Obama "brushing the dirt off his shoulder" is misogynistic, I wholly understand where this absurd outrage over the lipstick pig comment is coming from. I confess, I was not aware that people could be so creative in finding ways to be offended. It's very much like the six degrees of Kevin Bacon.

Feigned outrage is all the McPalin people have to work with.

You'll note that they aren't talking up McCain's "95% of George Bush's Failures" very much these days.

And democratic bloggers callin Palin a pig is what Obama has voting for him.

Bush 7
Terrorists 0

Wow, way to dismiss and attempt to marginalize 50% of your fellow countrymen.

Want to know why America is on the ropes? It's because of the balkanization of the electorate, begun by Republicans to get elected because they know they can't cross ideologic boundaries with the nonsense they offer.

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ORIGINAL: empyrealsymphony

No one is claiming innocence on the part of Barack Obama. However, the reason John McCain is a hypocrite is also because he allowed a questioner to call Hillary Clinton a "b*tch" and then laughed about it and did nothing against it. If he was so outraged at rude remarks he wouldn't have let it slide.

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ORIGINAL: CAHardbarger

No, this is my first post. No other alias.

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ORIGINAL: Longfingers1

I've been a visitor to this forum for a little over a month now (have been visiting the site for bible commentaries and to view the bible online when needed for years). I am saddened by what I have seen in this forum about the election. Here I've seen my brothers and sisters in Christ say such nasty things about others, questioning people's devotion to their faith because they differ on views (or just out right saying you can't be a Christian if you think or believe in whatever issues) , and ect., and it all is sad. I'm a political junkie but I also like to see what other people of different political parties, race, faith are saying about the election, and to my surprise I see such things that aren't of God being said in of all places a Christian forum. I couldn't hold my peace though after reading some of my fellow Christians comments.

I'm a very open-minded person and with this election, I haven't been anything less. I listen to the speeches, commentaries, have read thoroughly about the candidates platforms to know what they're running on, so I'd like to think I'm informed as well. I personally don't think politics should be as dirty as it is, but what was spun out of the republican campaign was a new low. I've heard the now infamous speech numerous times now in its entirety to see that what was said wasn't what it's been made out to be (like many of you have also said). It's a common term that's used from congressman to your everyday person, so common enough it's been used by many politicians, including McCain himself more than a few times in this election campaign alone (at times used when talking about Hillary's healthcare plan... to the poster who said this is the first time Obama has made this comment so he must have been referencing Palin, we have a vast amount of information to us unlike so many other elections where we can find out for ourselves the truth and not make up our own conclusions or whatever the case may be, but if searched, you would see Obama use the lipstick phrase in refrence to Bush in Washington Post intervew last year). However people have run with this to the point where they're asking for Obama to apologize; it's a low form of politics. Many say you have to be dirty when playing politics, but when mud is slung at someone (which in this election seems so be thrown alot at a particular candidate), they're in a catch 22 situation, if they don't speak up about something, then they're hiding from it and if they do, then they're whining about or being mean; but when the shoe is on the other foot, all those rules go out the window... it's total hypocrisy.

Here we have two candidates who are both good people at heart, and could set a standard by dismissing the dirty tactics. Instead there's mean-spirited and inaccuarte ads putting down the other, alot of sladering and mud slinging, and I really thought Americans have had enough of this... but this this whole lipstick story becomes headlines news all day yesterday... what a distraction from the issues that I would like to hear from both parties, out of their own mouths. I'm not for one party over the other, but I just think that some people here should be mindful that though people may not post here, they may read what's written like myself. You may have those who aren't saved are in search of Christ visitng the site and then upon further exploration, find this forum about the election, and what kind of message is that sending out with some of the mean spirited thread titles and comments being written. I'm all for listening to others, discussing issues, but I think it can be done without being so mean and judging someone's faith constantly.

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ORIGINAL: davemiller7

I'm a grandfather of five, not that has any significance to this. Nor does your claim. Since you have ONE POST, I fail to see how anyone has slammed your character or morals.

By the way, welcome to CW.

-Dave

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ORIGINAL: CAHardbarger

I can no longer keep quiet... I am a born-again Christian... who also happens to be a lifelong Democrat and Obama supporter. How dare any of you question my morals, my motives, and my heart! Especially those of you with Scripture verses tagged to the bottom of your notes. What we have here is the Karl-Rovian style of politics that existed in 2004 and it is wrong, regardless of which party is responsible for it. IF - and I say if - Obama deliberately used the phrase as a slam to Palin, he owes her an apology. But, the McCain campaign also owes Obama apologies for many of the untruths they are saying about him. If Obama is indeed the devil that some of you portray him to be, then the TRUTH should be enough to defeat him.... Can we not pray together that we can have political discussions based on truth, the issues, and that we can learn about the character of the individuals who are asking to lead us. Would either of them be worse than the last 8 years? AND, that is all I have to say. REMEMBER, I am a grandmother of five when you decide to slam my character and morals.