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ORIGINAL: davemiller7

Even if Obama's remark was "one of the most ignorant, ill timed, and boneheaded comments in human history," that's certainly not the kind of person you want in the White House. Imagine if he were to shoot off his mouth like that to Ahma-ding-a-ling of Iran or the little guy with the bad hair in North Korea or Putin of Russia. We can't afford to turn him loose on America or the world.

-Dave

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ORIGINAL: tafkam

Okay, at first I didn't think Obama intended the comment as a direct slam against Gov Palin, but after hearing the remainder of the comments, ("old fish in a wrapper"), coupled with the audience's thundrous response, I'm forced to conclude that Obama either did it intentionally, or made one of the most ignorant, ill timed, and boneheaded comments in human history.

Either way, it will not help his image.

I can't believe he meant it as a personal affront, but it's awfully hard to see it otherwise...

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ORIGINAL: miasma

I cannot believe the ridiculous statements I am reading in this thread. It is utterly ludicrios, in this day and age of information, people would for a second believe the Muslim rumour.

But, to stay on topic, it's an old expression, and McCain's campaign is just stirring up a bee's nest to keep eyes off the real issues.

This hoo-ha certainly didn't happen when McCain used the same phrase.

http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid271557392/bctid1784628752

McCain's campaign is counting on people who don't think for themselves.

And, if you want to try and out-whatever each other, I took well over two years of German (and history) - oh, and grew up in Germany: JFK's phrasing was correct; the fact that a Berliner is also a pastry was mere coincidence.

"Ich bin ein/e Berliner" is a perfectly acceptable way to say "I am a Berliner," ie, from Berlin. It wouldn't work with all German cities, as it does not work in America, either (for example, "I am a New Yorker" works, but "I am a Clevelander" does not.)

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ORIGINAL: Bob_George

Conveniently, you left out what Obama said before the "lipstick on a pig" comment. But to put in context, what Obama is saying is that McCain can have the same failed polices as Bush and call it "change", but behind the illusion of change, he's still more of the same. That's what he meant by the analogy. It's an old analogy that been around for a long time.

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ORIGINAL: ManimalX

I don't think he is mean, thought the way he destroyed his opponents in the past makes me wonder.

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It's "barracuda" and no, I don't think it is personally hurting her.

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It is a slap in the face to thousands of other women though.

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..and I think most women are intelligent enough to discern the comment for what it was.

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...sees the Republican manipulation and pandering for what it is.

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I can only say I really hope so. If anyone bothers to listen to the full text of what he was saying it is so clear that he was not calling anyONE a pig, but he was taking a fair stab that McCain is trying to dress up doing the same stuff and call it something else....change. LOL. Only the very gullible or politically uneducated would even take serious offense over this. I think there's a LOT of crocodile tears and fake offense going on. I'm with Obama -- we go through this every election cycle and I can only hope that most of America catches on this time and sees the Republican manipulation and pandering for what it is.

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So his audience, who obviously recognized it as a slam against Palin, are gullible and politically uneducated?

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apparently they aren't very well informed since it WAS NOT a slam at Palin, as can be very easily seen by watching the clips of what he was talking about. So...what would you call Dems who accepted what the party was putting out if they could very easily check and see that it is tripe, designed to manipulate? I have a feeling it would be something a whole lot nastier than "uninformed" or "politically uneducated."

So to answer your question...anyone who still believes this was about Palin is either just not in touch with reality, or they are VERY politically uneducated.

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Like I said, his audience, his supporters, clearly understood who it was a reference to - so apparently they aren't in touch with reality - which I have contended a number of times.

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Oh good one, I missed that one. NO. Not his audience, the repubs. You know what I meant. Not nice. I'm crying now.

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My point is simply that his audience obviously wasn't reacting to a simple cliche.

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No, they knew he was alluding to the McCain campaign trying to dress up their "same ole" as something else. It certainly wasn't about Palin and I don't think they even thought it was. Only the campaign and right wing seemed to think that -- and I don't even really believe they did. i believe they saw it as an opportunity to try and manipulate THEIR party true believers and apparently for a short while, it worked. But it's not going to keep working with crossover and undecided voters. At least, I hope not.

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ORIGINAL: Jhud

They were laughing and shouting and clapping; they weren't reacting to an economic policy comparison. Obama may not have intended it but that is how they obviously took it, and those who suggest otherwise are the true political naifs.

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People laugh and shout and clap at an Obama rally all the time. He's an electric speaker. "Lipstick on a pig" is a punchline. People laugh and shout and clap at punchlines.

You're trying to use psychic powers that you don't have.