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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 2:52:05 PM
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davemiller7
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I and a lot of others don't quite see it your way. Less than a week after Gov. Palin's remark about lipstick, Obama comes out with his comment. Then follows up with the fishy one. Come on, give me a break. Don't insult my intelligence by spinning it. For all of his highly publicized intellect and caring, are those the best metaphors he can come up with? I can do better than that and I didn't go to Harvard.
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We have gotten to this point exactly because we have been fed how caring and intelligent this guy is - Harvard graduate, community organizer who could have had a high paying job in the private sector but chose to help the poor, etc. This is not the sort of language I would expect to hear from a "Mr. Wonderful." This is trash talk of the lowest form.
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Its only 'trash talk' if he's talking about Ms. Palin, which he wasn't. He was talking plainly talking about economic policy.
You're right not to expect trash-talk from Obama. He's always conducted himself in a polite respectful way, and has stood above personal insults. So, its pretty clear he's in the clear here too.
But, as we've seen in recent years, if one tries hard enough, one can be offended by anything.
Just need to know: does this new-found interest in Policital Correctness mean we can't use any country-metaphors involving animals?
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 2:52:08 PM
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Jhud
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There is no doubt by the reaction of the crowd that they took what Obama said as being a reference to Palin. If Obama had a smidgeon of class (and half a brain with regard to political issues) he could put this thing to bed in about five seconds by simply saying, "I didn't intend to make a reference to Governor Palin, but apparently some in the audience took it that way - I regret that, and want to apologize for any wrong interpretations of my statement".
End of story, go on with the campaign, it's no longer an issue.
But what has he done instead (and his not so astute followers by the look ogf this thread)? He is blaming the media, blaming John McCain, blaming everyone he can think of for manufacturing a controversy. In this respect he is becoming a little bit like the comedian Lenny Bruce at the end of his life, who was so obsessed by his critics that he ceased actually doing comedy, and instead spent his entire act on harangues about how unfair he was being treated.
Obama has become the Lenny Bruce of politics.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 3:54:41 PM
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iwillfearnoevil
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hmmmmm after bringing up demeaning metaphors to hillary this campaign season, this was just a slip. why doesn't he bring up these references when discussing male candidates: lipstick, kitchen-sink, throwing china, claws coming out, "periodically when she's feeling down", his habit of calling women sweetie, of course the jay-z gestures ... of course obama wasn't being sexist ... after the pitbull lipstick joke was talked about endlessly for the last week ... sure obama is just clueless, not sexist ...
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 4:12:29 PM
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/10/campaign.wrap/index.html
THIS is what this whole thing is about-turning the tide back in Mr. Obama's direction with regards to the news media and as tactics of that nature go, it's been brilliantly executed so far.
Now the news has something other than Mrs. Palin's clothing, her hair or why they have not yet interviewed her to discuss. Now that Mr. Obama has the "floor" again, he now has the opportunity to "rise above" as the right goes into apoplexy over a stupid sentence. Very well played indeed Mr. Obama, I just wish it didn't have to be this way-I wish that we as a public would DEMAND that our "leadership" dispense with all of these childish games (though I do see where Mr. Obama's hand was forced in this issue due to the "stunt" casting of Mrs. Palin and the impact it has had so far on the lemmings) and be truly accountable for leading us.
Oh well, perhaps some day. I guess this is why God never really ordained (though He did allow) human leadership in the first place.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 4:15:01 PM
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THIS is what this whole thing is about-turning the tide back in Mr. Obama's direction with regards to the news media and as tactics of that nature go, it's been brilliantly executed so far.
raofl ... yes obama has met fundraising goals, obama supporters confident, obama opens wide lead in polls ... brilliant strategy indeed ... oh wait, the opposite of all those headlines is occurring ...
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 4:16:25 PM
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THIS is what this whole thing is about-turning the tide back in Mr. Obama's direction with regards to the news media and as tactics of that nature go, it's been brilliantly executed so far.
raofl ... yes obama has met fundraising goals, obama supporters confident, obama opens wide lead in polls ... brilliant strategy indeed ... oh wait, the opposite of all those headlines is occurring ...
Wow, I guess it's a little more effective than I thought it was.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 4:21:52 PM
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When a female reporter in Michigan approached BO, he dimissed her by calling her "sweetie," and telling her he'd answer her question later. He never did answer her question.
When asked about appeasing Hilary Clinton's supporters, mostly women, BO said that they need to "get over it," amother dismissive remark aimed directly at women.
We're supposed to believe that his use of lipstick and pig was not aimed at Sarah Palin or the women she described. Perhaps it was a coincidence. I don't believe BO is a Muslim, but I do know that his father was and other family members are. Perhaps some of their contempt for women has rubbed off on him.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 4:27:59 PM
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he did have at least one year of indoctrination at a muslim school and can recite basic prayers on demand ... i'm not saying he's not a Christian as he says (i wouldn't question anyone) ... but you bring up a great point about having that influence around him ...
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 4:29:19 PM
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careful todd, too many more inflammatory statements against the McCain Palin ticket may get you thrashed or yelled at.
is that cause they are bitter people just clinging to their guns and religion and might shoot ya?
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 4:32:05 PM
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Now the news has something other than Mrs. Palin's clothing, her hair or why they have not yet interviewed her to discuss. Now that Mr. Obama has the "floor" again, he now has the opportunity to "rise above" as the right goes into apoplexy over a stupid sentence. Very well played indeed Mr. Obama, I just wish it didn't have to be this way-I wish that we as a public would DEMAND that our "leadership" dispense with all of these childish games (though I do see where Mr. Obama's hand was forced in this issue due to the "stunt" casting of Mrs. Palin and the impact it has had so far on the lemmings) and be truly accountable for leading us. Would it have been a "stunt" if Obama had picked Hillary as his running mate?
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 4:41:27 PM
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The Dems are nearly apoplectic that the Republicans might get a woman in the White House before they can. What a shame!!!
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 4:46:09 PM
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I cannot believe the ridiculous statements I am reading in this thread. It is utterly ludicrios, in this day and age of information, people would for a second believe the Muslim rumour. 
But, to stay on topic, it's an old expression, and McCain's campaign is just stirring up a bee's nest to keep eyes off the real issues.
This hoo-ha certainly didn't happen when McCain used the same phrase.
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid271557392/bctid1784628752
McCain's campaign is counting on people who don't think for themselves.
And, if you want to try and out-whatever each other, I took well over two years of German (and history) - oh, and grew up in Germany: JFK's phrasing was correct; the fact that a Berliner is also a pastry was mere coincidence.
"Ich bin ein/e Berliner" is a perfectly acceptable way to say "I am a Berliner," ie, from Berlin. It wouldn't work with all German cities, as it does not work in America, either (for example, "I am a New Yorker" works, but "I am a Clevelander" does not.)
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 4:54:27 PM
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I cannot believe the ridiculous statements I am reading in this thread. It is utterly ludicrios, in this day and age of information, people would for a second believe the Muslim rumour.
But, to stay on topic, it's an old expression, and McCain's campaign is just stirring up a bee's nest to keep eyes off the real issues.
This hoo-ha certainly didn't happen when McCain used the same phrase.
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid271557392/bctid1784628752
McCain's campaign is counting on people who don't think for themselves.
And, if you want to try and out-whatever each other, I took well over two years of German (and history) - oh, and grew up in Germany: JFK's phrasing was correct; the fact that a Berliner is also a pastry was mere coincidence.
"Ich bin ein/e Berliner" is a perfectly acceptable way to say "I am a Berliner," ie, from Berlin. It wouldn't work with all German cities, as it does not work in America, either (for example, "I am a New Yorker" works, but "I am a Clevelander" does not.)
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McCain's campaign is counting on people who don't think for themselves.
Apparently the ability to think for oneself includes the ability to disassociate two remarks using the same language spoken by political opponents within days of each other.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 5:02:17 PM
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Jhud
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This hoo-ha certainly didn't happen when McCain used the same phrase.
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid271557392/bctid1784628752
McCain's campaign is counting on people who don't think for themselves.
Well again, Obama is the one who has continued to inflame this by ignoring the reaction of his audience which plainly understood this as reffering to Palin - of course, that only means by your estimation that his crowds don't think for themselves, which may in fact be true.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 5:06:18 PM
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Now the news has something other than Mrs. Palin's clothing, her hair or why they have not yet interviewed her to discuss. Now that Mr. Obama has the "floor" again, he now has the opportunity to "rise above" as the right goes into apoplexy over a stupid sentence. Very well played indeed Mr. Obama, I just wish it didn't have to be this way-I wish that we as a public would DEMAND that our "leadership" dispense with all of these childish games (though I do see where Mr. Obama's hand was forced in this issue due to the "stunt" casting of Mrs. Palin and the impact it has had so far on the lemmings) and be truly accountable for leading us. Would it have been a "stunt" if Obama had picked Hillary as his running mate?
Probably, though for a different effect since Hillary was generally considered to be qualified for the job.
I just saw a Daily Show clip where they contrasted "Karl Rove" vs. "Karl Rove' on the subject of experience and it's AMAZING how his tune on experience changes when he's referring to Mrs. Palin vs. Mr. Obama. While he makes startlingly similar statements about each of them, it's amazing how he's able to spin each statement to the positive or the negative. Listening to him, I continue to be quite convinced that we-(the American voter) are being strung out so far that it's ridiculous-by BOTH parties.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 5:10:15 PM
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I am not a fan of Obama by any stretch of the imagination, but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Whether he deserves it or not, I'll leave between he and his Maker. Democrats and Republicans alike are both quite adept at sticking their feet in their mouths and are both quite adept at trying to blame someone else and turn it into something akin to Judas selling out Jesus. I seem to recall a casual remark made be a certain US Senator at a birthday party for Strom Thurmond that it would have been great to have seen him win the Presidential election many, many years ago. The media and Dems crucified the Senator over this and said it proved he was a racist pig because Thurmond had been on the wrong side of the race issue at that time. The funny thing is, he was also a Democrat at the time so obviously the Republican Senator was trying to tickle his ears not make a statement on racial policy. So, before you Dems get too full of yourselves, this is politics as usual and as usual the public loves the sensationalism of it whether it's true or not (which I believe is up for grabs here). NEITHER party has the high road here.
The one thing I will say is that after Palin's comment on the lipstick became an enormous catch-phrase for the McCain/Palin ticket and people identified it directly with HER, I think Obama's statement was a pretty dopey thing to say at this point in the race no matter HOW he intended it. In addition, whether he intended it to be a slap in the face or not, many on both sides are taking it as such and I believe a real man wouldn't hide from that and blame the "other side" for his ill-timed remark. The phrase isn't the issue IMHO - the timing is. As Jhud said - all he had to do is say, I didn't mean that in the way some on both sides are taking it and I apologize for any offense it could have caused. End of story.
Personally, I admire folks who have the moral backbone to own up to their goofs - even the unintentional ones. But to swing back with politics as usual is evidence that Obama is politics as usual - not the political darling some think he is (and I think the same thing about McCain for those who think I'm being unfair).
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 5:35:07 PM
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I just want to know why no one is talking about their plans.... Maybe they aren't really all that different...
You know, this 'campaign' is getting more like gossip every day.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 6:39:05 PM
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the media should quit playing into this silliness and get serious about properly reporting the news
And they'll be right on that, as soon as there is a financial incentive for them to do so.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 6:43:08 PM
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I am "getting angry over imaginary trivial slights" because this candidate for the highest office in the land will seemingly stop at nothing in his quest for the office. He and those who run the Democrat party have nothing to offer the American public except empty rhetoric ("Change!"). From his past associations (Bill Ayres, Tony Rezko, Jeremiah Wright to name three) and his remarks about how America is "bad", it's really easy to discern his character and just where his "policies" would lead the country. Socialism and totalitarianism are not options I want for the American people.
As for the "imaginary trivial slight," ask any woman how they would feel is they thought that remark was aimed at them. The Democrat "spin" has got to stop somewhere. Maybe your candidate should be focusing on "real issues" instead of going out and demeaning people.
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hmmm totalitarianism...does that include warrantless searches by the FBI?...if so, that's a g w bush thing and our congress comprised of both republicans and democrats as well as a few independents went along with it...in some ways, i'm beginning to think we need a strong third party in this country...there is much about both repubs and dems that scare me
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except that was an innocent mistake, I'm not so sure this incident was - but i'm willing to give obama the benfit of the doubt this time. to some degree all candidates pander to their audience when stumping... but normally its kept in the realm of civil conversation. 
Radio and TV ads are mostly for swaying voters that don't have the time, inclination or attention span to "study" candidates.