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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 12:11:13 PM
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blue1914
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THAT"S THE WHOLE POINT!! A serious candidate would not say rediculous things like this! He is trying to smear and be funny to raise himself up by lowering his opponent and he accomplished the exact opposite.
It's a travesty that he is even a candidate for the democrats at all!!
As for trivial,,,, who was it that blew the whole community organizer (which she said to defend allegations of herself not being experienced) comments out of proportion? No that wasn't trivial that was very important.
Then was Mr. McCain being less than a serious candidate when he used the same statement to refer to Hillary Clinton's health care plan? Or was he just being sexist, like Mr. Obama is now being accused of-and since we know no one with a SINGLE sexist bone (real or imagined) in their body is fit for the presidency, then what does that say about Mr. McCain?
Or, instead, does it say that BOTH of them are PEOPLE (not gods) who from time to time will say something that someone else will misunderstand, but that is NOT an open license to twist their statements into an ISSUE in a presidential campaign?
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 12:14:32 PM
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Of course the "lipstick on a pig" comment was a jab at Palin. If you've seen the video, you know everyone at the event took it that way. To say other wise is being intellectually dishonest.
The comment is more indication that the wheels are coming off the Obama campaign.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 12:17:51 PM
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I like Barracuda a lot but I hope she doesn't start acting like some thinned-skinned feminazi.
I highly doubt that since the term "feminazi" was coined to describe the liberal N.O.W. gang , those that don't represent the women Palin stands for.
Point taken, but the thin-skinned reaction remains an issue nonetheless.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 12:26:01 PM
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Hmmmmmmmmmm. They can't even blame the New York Post for this one.
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Btw, here's the latest poll on the Obama's Pig Lipstick issue.
http://www.nydailynews.com/nydn/poll.do?pollCmsUniqueId=obamas_remark&pollTitle=Obama%
So i guess the majority are the sensitive GOP types right Sweedish? IN NEW YORK?????
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 12:29:02 PM
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blue1914
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Of course the "lipstick on a pig" comment was a jab at Palin. If you've seen the video, you know everyone at the event took it that way. To say other wise is being intellectually dishonest.
The comment is more indication that the wheels are coming off the Obama campaign.
You know, as I think this one through, it is probably instead a clever ploy on Mr. Obama's behalf to neutralize the "sexism" ridiculousness and get to Palin where she lives and here's how.
Ever since Mrs. Palin has stepped on the scene, aside from the initial negative press she has turned into the superstar for this ticket. Any criticism of her by Mr. Obama (or Mr. Biden) is judged as sexism. She is apparently there to take back the supporters of Mrs. Hillary Clinton.
Now through the campaign, Mr. McCain took many cheap shots at Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama that now appear washed away in the light of a new "superstar". If this was a calculated statement (and I'm starting to believe it was) it was intended to break in a little on that "light". By using the SAME statement Mr. McCain used to describe Mrs. Clinton's health care plans, the campaign of Mr. Obama is now able to attack the sexism smokescreen coming from the right. The feigned outrage of the right plays right into the hands of Mr. Obama's strategy-especially given the speed at the response from the campaign of Mr. Obama and the specific references to the SAME statement by Mr. McCain. Now the right will be in the uncomfortable position of trying to answer what is truly "sexist"-Mr. McCain's treatment of Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Obama's statement about Mrs. Palin.
This will also open the door for Mrs. Clinton to come out strongly against Mrs. Palin-to "level the playing field" so to speak and take a little of the momentum away from the "rise to stardom" of Mrs. Palin.
Long and short-the American people are being played for a fool by both sides-I've got to admire the strategy and execution of Mr. Obama on this one, but I've also got to shake my head that THIS type of game is indeed what an election is all about-both sides so caught up in the trivial that silly games like this are MOST effective.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 12:41:56 PM
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When I first heard the comment I thought people were making too much of it and was willing to give NObama a pass on it.
But then I heard the comment after the lipstick bit, where he mentioned the old fish and there was no denying what he was referring to.
And for those of you who complain that McCain refuses to talk about issues lets just look at a few things shall we:
1-McCain had challenged NObama to several townhall meeting type debates but NObama refused.
2-NObama continues to make disparaging remarks on his campaign trail, making statement like the McCain camp must think that voters are stupid.
3-Everytime any reporter wants to discuss the "issues" with NObama or any of his representatives, rather than point to his positions they always try to turn the conversation back to McCain and how "he isn't change he is Bush's Third Term".
NObama is avoiding talking about the issues more than the liberals here will admit.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 12:42:29 PM
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I don't think Hillary wants to come out too strongly against Sarah because it may come back to bite her in the race for 2012 when they go head to head, or comparing shades of lipstick....
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 12:43:47 PM
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Long and short-the American people are being played for a fool by both sides-I've got to admire the strategy and execution of Mr. Obama on this one, but I've also got to shake my head that THIS type of game is indeed what an election is all about-both sides so caught up in the trivial that silly games like this are MOST effective.
That sort of campaigning *won* the last two Presidential campaigns. Who can argue with success?
The pitiable thing is that the American public doesn't catch on to how thoroughly BOTH sides insult their intelligence.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 12:49:13 PM
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Long and short-the American people are being played for a fool by both sides-I've got to admire the strategy and execution of Mr. Obama on this one, but I've also got to shake my head that THIS type of game is indeed what an election is all about-both sides so caught up in the trivial that silly games like this are MOST effective.
That sort of campaigning *won* the last two Presidential campaigns. Who can argue with success?
The pitiable thing is that the American public doesn't catch on to how thoroughly BOTH sides insult their intelligence.
Oh my goodness, you are so right. We (by and large, American voters as a whole) really get what we ask for.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 12:51:03 PM
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Radio and TV ads are mostly for swaying voters that don't have the time, inclination or attention span to "study" candidates.
Or in other words: morons.
I would not call anyone a moron for not being "into" politics or for not having time to spare to pay attention.
I would prefer that uninformed people didn't vote, but its a free country so what can you do?
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 12:53:45 PM
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As we have seen here. His supporters got it. The site is back up. But, there is no picture.
Here is a direct quote from a blog on the Obama-Biden Official site:
By Lynnie Gal - Sep 7th, 2008 at 1:31 pm EDT
It is appropriate that Palin refers to herself as a pitbull--an ugly, snarling, threatening animal. But we all know that the lipstick she talks about isn't on a pitbull. She is lipstick on a pig, the pig being the Republican party in general, John McBush in particular.
We've all heard the joke that Washington is Hollywood for ugly people. I get that. But we need to push back on the cynicism that McSame is pushing, knowing that signing on a sexy grandma will get white men to vote for him because they want to sleep with her. You know it's true!
Let's send out a steady stream of Democratic women on the news show circuit NOW, and capitalize on the fact that they can't send Palin out there because she KNOWS NOTHING. The repuklicans know that the hard questions the press will ask her are going to destroy her, and that's why they have to keep her locked in her dressing room All we will see are the sound bites from the solitary speech she gave that was written for her by a Bush speech writer, and the press will have to play them over and over and over ad nauceum until it gets drilled into the head of the common folk that she really is lipstick on a pig.
Those official Obama supporters are nice people, aren't they?
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It would help if his official website didn't have this blogger making a post about referring to Palin as a pig in lipstick. http://i35.tinypic.com/23w4cxt.jpg
ETA: OOPS it appears the official site is down for maintenance.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 12:59:15 PM
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Okay, at first I didn't think Obama intended the comment as a direct slam against Gov Palin, but after hearing the remainder of the comments, ("old fish in a wrapper"), coupled with the audience's thundrous response, I'm forced to conclude that Obama either did it intentionally, or made one of the most ignorant, ill timed, and boneheaded comments in human history.
Either way, it will not help his image.
I can't believe he meant it as a personal affront, but it's awfully hard to see it otherwise...
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 1:04:05 PM
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This is yet another sign that NObama is getting desperate.
He is dropping in the polls.
He isn't able to raise the same amount of funds
McCain is now drawing larger crowds
The media is spending more time talking about McCain/Palin than they are about NObama.
The media are holding NObama to task about his comments rather than giving him a pass as they did during the primaries.
NObama is on the defensive, a position he doesn't handle well and a time when he makes the most mistakes.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 1:15:38 PM
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ayani
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I am "getting angry over imaginary trivial slights" because this candidate for the highest office in the land will seemingly stop at nothing in his quest for the office. He and those who run the Democrat party have nothing to offer the American public except empty rhetoric ("Change!"). From his past associations (Bill Ayres, Tony Rezko, Jeremiah Wright to name three) and his remarks about how America is "bad", it's really easy to discern his character and just where his "policies" would lead the country. Socialism and totalitarianism are not options I want for the American people.
As for the "imaginary trivial slight," ask any woman how they would feel is they thought that remark was aimed at them. The Democrat "spin" has got to stop somewhere. Maybe your candidate should be focusing on "real issues" instead of going out and demeaning people.
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This is a trivial issue. Hardly a case of 'stopping at nothing'.
These guys and lady talk all day. Pouncing on every little thing they say to whip-up some person or groups feelings of being wronged is distracting us from real issues, and damaging our political process. And this is true of liberals every bit as much as conservatives.
His comment was innocent. His metaphor was entirely relevant to the topic of economic policy he was talking about. This wasn't secret coded language. His past conduct has shown he doesn't call people names.
Good grief. How have we gotten to this point?
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 1:20:27 PM
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It may have been "innocent" but clearly, as the bloggers on his web-site have shown, they certainly took it to be a referrence to Palin.
At the very least, it was bad judgment to make such a comment. I think it is fair to evaluate this lack of good judgment in a man who would lead our nation in the world. Can you imagine him using similar poor judgment in a foreign or diplomatic setting?
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 1:22:32 PM
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Even if Obama's remark was "one of the most ignorant, ill timed, and boneheaded comments in human history," that's certainly not the kind of person you want in the White House. Imagine if he were to shoot off his mouth like that to Ahma-ding-a-ling of Iran or the little guy with the bad hair in North Korea or Putin of Russia. We can't afford to turn him loose on America or the world.
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Okay, at first I didn't think Obama intended the comment as a direct slam against Gov Palin, but after hearing the remainder of the comments, ("old fish in a wrapper"), coupled with the audience's thundrous response, I'm forced to conclude that Obama either did it intentionally, or made one of the most ignorant, ill timed, and boneheaded comments in human history.
Either way, it will not help his image.
I can't believe he meant it as a personal affront, but it's awfully hard to see it otherwise...
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 1:30:23 PM
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We have gotten to this point exactly because we have been fed how caring and intelligent this guy is - Harvard graduate, community organizer who could have had a high paying job in the private sector but chose to help the poor, etc. This is not the sort of language I would expect to hear from a "Mr. Wonderful." This is trash talk of the lowest form.
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I am "getting angry over imaginary trivial slights" because this candidate for the highest office in the land will seemingly stop at nothing in his quest for the office. He and those who run the Democrat party have nothing to offer the American public except empty rhetoric ("Change!"). From his past associations (Bill Ayres, Tony Rezko, Jeremiah Wright to name three) and his remarks about how America is "bad", it's really easy to discern his character and just where his "policies" would lead the country. Socialism and totalitarianism are not options I want for the American people.
As for the "imaginary trivial slight," ask any woman how they would feel is they thought that remark was aimed at them. The Democrat "spin" has got to stop somewhere. Maybe your candidate should be focusing on "real issues" instead of going out and demeaning people.
-Dave
This is a trivial issue. Hardly a case of 'stopping at nothing'.
These guys and lady talk all day. Pouncing on every little thing they say to whip-up some person or groups feelings of being wronged is distracting us from real issues, and damaging our political process. And this is true of liberals every bit as much as conservatives.
His comment was innocent. His metaphor was entirely relevant to the topic of economic policy he was talking about. This wasn't secret coded language. His past conduct has shown he doesn't call people names.
Good grief. How have we gotten to this point?
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 2:14:22 PM
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letusreason
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It may have been "innocent" but clearly, as the bloggers on his web-site have shown, they certainly took it to be a referrence to Palin.
So much for the sensitive GOP theory eh sweedish? lol
Maybe you would like to explain facts them too lol.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 2:42:14 PM
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ayani
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We have gotten to this point exactly because we have been fed how caring and intelligent this guy is - Harvard graduate, community organizer who could have had a high paying job in the private sector but chose to help the poor, etc. This is not the sort of language I would expect to hear from a "Mr. Wonderful." This is trash talk of the lowest form.
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Its only 'trash talk' if he's talking about Ms. Palin, which he wasn't. He was talking plainly talking about economic policy.
You're right not to expect trash-talk from Obama. He's always conducted himself in a polite respectful way, and has stood above personal insults. So, its pretty clear he's in the clear here too.
But, as we've seen in recent years, if one tries hard enough, one can be offended by anything.
Just need to know: does this new-found interest in Policital Correctness mean we can't use any country-metaphors involving animals?
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except that was an innocent mistake, I'm not so sure this incident was - but i'm willing to give obama the benfit of the doubt this time. to some degree all candidates pander to their audience when stumping... but normally its kept in the realm of civil conversation.
