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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 9:47:49 AM
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todd_t
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Radio and TV ads are mostly for swaying voters that don't have the time, inclination or attention span to "study" candidates.
Or in other words: morons.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 9:57:37 AM
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Be that as it may, most will see it as sexism ,......which is why it's now a McCain Ad lol
Never let it be said that McCain's campaign doesn't pander to those unable to think for themselves.
"Of course it's true - the nice narrator on the ad told me so!"
*shakes head* another reason to not vote for mccain.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 9:58:22 AM
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This whole would-be "lipstick" controversy proves two things:
Either he was
a) Trying to smear Governor Palin and Senator McCain.
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b) He's too naive to realize that using the expression right now would be viewed as a personal attack.
He also said this:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Obama_Lipstick_on_a_pig.html
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"You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It's still gonna stink."
So he refers to lipstick on a pig, and and old fish. How am I NOT supposed to infer that he's talking about Governor Palin and Senator McCain?
You want context? Senator Obama has been campaigning for 2 years, not 2 weeks. It was a calculated attack.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 10:05:06 AM
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If McMaverick had a male running mate, nobody would make anything of Obummer's remark. OTOH one might argue that OBummer would not have made the remark in that case. So, both sides can be rightfuly accused of being sexist.
I like Barracuda a lot but I hope she doesn't start acting like some thinned-skinned feminazi.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 10:10:10 AM
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Only a few people will actually see it for what it is.
And I think you said a mouthful here-if so "few people" actually "see it for what it is", then perhaps it really wasn't what they are "seeing" at all and is instead a fabrication of their (the few people) little minds.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 10:14:25 AM
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Either way, this manufactured outrage is just lame.
But, VERY effective, eh??? 
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 10:14:41 AM
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I do think it is a gaffe on Obama's part because it is exactly statements like this that tend to get turned
And keep both sides from actually talking about anything of any real value-instead attempting to slander or smear the other side enough to lead the lemmings.
I so wish that that both Mr. McCain and Mr. Obama both would return to the campaign of the primaries-how THEY will be different instead of how bad the other guy is.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 10:19:53 AM
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todd_t
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But, VERY effective, eh???
Among some people, apparently....
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 10:20:55 AM
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It would help if his official website didn't have this blogger making a post about referring to Palin as a pig in lipstick. http://i35.tinypic.com/23w4cxt.jpg
ETA: OOPS it appears the official site is down for maintenance.
< Message edited by StephK -- 9/10/2008 10:28:39 AM >
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 10:21:13 AM
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He knew EXACTLY what he was saying and he meant what he said. Obama supporters can spin this all they want. The fact remains that the Harvard educated Obama, who had to think about every question that Rick Warren posed to him, came out with a statement like he did. Did he just happen to choose that expression? Remember, he carefully considered each and every word in his Warren event. And it was less than a week ago that Sarah Palin made her "lipstick" remark. Coincidence? Out of context? That's really a strretch for this guy who so carefully plans his words.
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Here is a fair question. Did Obama use this expression before Sarah Palin referred to herself and other women with the lipstick joke? If not, why did he wait until he found a woman who talked of wearing lipstick before he said that pigs wear lipstick?
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 10:21:57 AM
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If McMaverick had a male running mate, nobody would make anything of Obummer's remark. OTOH one might argue that OBummer would not have made the remark in that case. So, both sides can be rightfuly accused of being sexist.
Who in their right mind thinks Obama would have even MADE that remark if McCain's running mate was a man?
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I like Barracuda a lot but I hope she doesn't start acting like some thinned-skinned feminazi.
I highly doubt that since the term "feminazi" was coined to describe the liberal N.O.W. gang , those that don't represent the women Palin stands for.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 10:25:08 AM
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Radio and TV ads are mostly for swaying voters that don't have the time, inclination or attention span to "study" candidates.
Or in other words: morons.
Are we now taking a page out of Andrea Mitchell's book on marginalizing select blocks of voters?
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 10:26:23 AM
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todd_t
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He knew EXACTLY what he was saying and he meant what he said.
Right, Dave...because you can read Obama's mind?
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 10:26:48 AM
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Sorry, but the interpretation you have chosen to place on Obama's remarks is simply invalid.
> That’s not change,” Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., said of what Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., is offering.
“You know, you can put lipstick on a pig,” Obama said, “but it’s still a pig.”<
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/obama-says-mc-1.html
Obama was clearly referring to the tired, old, business as usual - failed - McCain platform policies, 95% of the Bush failures that got us into this mess.
Only someone seeking to take offense - as the GOP is rather gleefully indulging themselves today - could possibly have thought that Obama was referring personally to Palin. And probably even the GOP yippers actually know better and are merely 'thickening the slime', creating a controversy where none exists.
Shame on you.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 10:29:43 AM
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letusreason
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Sorry, but the interpretation you have chosen to place on Obama's remarks is simply invalid.
> That’s not change,” Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., said of what Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., is offering.
“You know, you can put lipstick on a pig,” Obama said, “but it’s still a pig.”<
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/obama-says-mc-1.html
Obama was clearly referring to the tired, old, business as usual - failed - McCain platform policies, 95% of the Bush failures that got us into this mess.
Only someone seeking to take offense - as the GOP is rather gleefully indulging themselves today - could possibly have thought that Obama was referring personally to Palin. And probably even the GOP yippers actually know better and are merely 'thickening the slime', creating a controversy where none exists.
Shame on you.
And yet Sarah Palin, the only candiate that wears lip stick, is an obvious part of his change message.
Sorry, but this ones going to bleed for a while, not just here but all over the media outlets.
The back handed complement he gave her on having 5 kids isn't going to help him any either.
Like I said before, he's a gaffe waiting to happen. Either that or he has gaffe writers??
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 10:33:25 AM
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SwedishCovenant
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Sorry, but the interpretation you have chosen to place on Obama's remarks is simply invalid.
> That’s not change,” Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., said of what Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., is offering.
“You know, you can put lipstick on a pig,” Obama said, “but it’s still a pig.”<
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/obama-says-mc-1.html
Obama was clearly referring to the tired, old, business as usual - failed - McCain platform policies, 95% of the Bush failures that got us into this mess.
Only someone seeking to take offense - as the GOP is rather gleefully indulging themselves today - could possibly have thought that Obama was referring personally to Palin. And probably even the GOP yippers actually know better and are merely 'thickening the slime', creating a controversy where none exists.
Shame on you.
And yet Sarah Palin, the only candiate that wears lip stick, is an obvious part of his change message.
Sorry, but this ones going to bleed for a while, not just here but all over the media outlets.
The back handed complement he gave her on having 5 kids isn't going to help him any either.
Like I said before, he's a gaffe waiting to happen. Either that or he has gaffe writers??
Thereby proving my point. Thanks.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 10:40:10 AM
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ayani
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I do think it is a gaffe on Obama's part because it is exactly statements like this that tend to get turned
And keep both sides from actually talking about anything of any real value-instead attempting to slander or smear the other side enough to lead the lemmings.
I so wish that that both Mr. McCain and Mr. Obama both would return to the campaign of the primaries-how THEY will be different instead of how bad the other guy is.
Exactly. 
Is this really the most important thing for Christians to be talking about this election? Have we finished solving the health-care access crisis, failing schools, neighborhood crime, international terrorism, closed the budget deficit, figured out what to do about illegal immigrants, finished re-earning the respect of the international community, secured dangerous nuclear materials, forced the sudanese government to stop the slaughter in Darfur? Cause if not, why are we mostly concerned with trivialities like this?
Have we as Americans lost our ability to face serious issues, that require thinking? Sure, its not as fun as getting angry over imaginary trivial slights, but can we afford to indulge in this when so much is at stake?
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 10:45:05 AM
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letusreason
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creating a controversy where none exists.
Shouldn't you let millions of women decide that ? Or are you going to speak for them as well as Obama? I think you might be as tone deaf as BO.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 10:48:40 AM
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letusreason
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Have we as Americans lost our ability to face serious issues, that require thinking? Sure, its not as fun as getting angry over imaginary trivial slights, but can we afford to indulge in this when so much is at stake?
THAT"S THE WHOLE POINT!! A serious candidate would not say rediculous things like this! He is trying to smear and be funny to raise himself up by lowering his opponent and he accomplished the exact opposite.
It's a travesty that he is even a candidate for the democrats at all!!
As for trivial,,,, who was it that blew the whole community organizer (which she said to defend allegations of herself not being experienced) comments out of proportion? No that wasn't trivial that was very important.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 10:50:43 AM
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Have we as Americans lost our ability to face serious issues, that require thinking?
Apparently, for some, the answer is yes.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 10:59:25 AM
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Not me. But I can discern from the myriad of his previous comments and responses, that nearly every word he utters is carefully measured.
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He knew EXACTLY what he was saying and he meant what he said.
Right, Dave...because you can read Obama's mind?
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 11:02:12 AM
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Bas
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The phrase "lipstick on a pig" is on urbandictionary.com. Obama didn't make it up. Obama wasn't calling her a pig.
If he was or not is almost irrelevant; if he is not smart enough to know that is how the remark would be taken after Palin's lipstick on a pit bull joke, then he isn't smart enough or perceptive enough to be president.
So he either meant it and is reprehensible, or he is stupid. Pick one.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 11:13:23 AM
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This is a "lose-lose" for Obama.
If it truly was a calculated comment (since it was combined with the "old fish" remark makes me think it was), then he should be ashamed.
If the remark was not intended for Gov Palin, then he and/or his handlers SHOULD have known that it would be interpreted that way.
Either way, it was a foolish, irresponsible comment by a DESPERATE campaign
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/10/2008 11:15:57 AM
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I am "getting angry over imaginary trivial slights" because this candidate for the highest office in the land will seemingly stop at nothing in his quest for the office. He and those who run the Democrat party have nothing to offer the American public except empty rhetoric ("Change!"). From his past associations (Bill Ayres, Tony Rezko, Jeremiah Wright to name three) and his remarks about how America is "bad", it's really easy to discern his character and just where his "policies" would lead the country. Socialism and totalitarianism are not options I want for the American people.
As for the "imaginary trivial slight," ask any woman how they would feel is they thought that remark was aimed at them. The Democrat "spin" has got to stop somewhere. Maybe your candidate should be focusing on "real issues" instead of going out and demeaning people.
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ORIGINAL: freakofnature
I do think it is a gaffe on Obama's part because it is exactly statements like this that tend to get turned
And keep both sides from actually talking about anything of any real value-instead attempting to slander or smear the other side enough to lead the lemmings.
I so wish that that both Mr. McCain and Mr. Obama both would return to the campaign of the primaries-how THEY will be different instead of how bad the other guy is.
Exactly.
Is this really the most important thing for Christians to be talking about this election? Have we finished solving the health-care access crisis, failing schools, neighborhood crime, international terrorism, closed the budget deficit, figured out what to do about illegal immigrants, finished re-earning the respect of the international community, secured dangerous nuclear materials, forced the sudanese government to stop the slaughter in Darfur? Cause if not, why are we mostly concerned with trivialities like this?
Have we as Americans lost our ability to face serious issues, that require thinking? Sure, its not as fun as getting angry over imaginary trivial slights, but can we afford to indulge in this when so much is at stake?
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The light of God surrounds me,
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