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RE: From an onlooker... - 9/13/2008 12:42:49 AM
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ljmac
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And the libs/Dems came all apart when the guy in Georgia put out a tee shirt of Obama/Curious George. Could we possibly have a double standard here?
How do images of pigs have anything to do with sexism? This would-be comparison has no validity whatsoever to racist Curious George cartoons with Obama's name under it.
If you don't believe me, go up to the nearest African-American you see, good-naturedly call him an "ape" or a "chimp" then watch what happens.
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- Curious George is a monkey, not an ape.
- BO is mixed race, not African-American. His mama is white.
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RE: From an onlooker... - 9/13/2008 2:23:34 AM
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How do images of pigs have anything to do with sexism?
did you only listen to the second half of the joke? or do you happen to know a lot of men who wear lipstick?
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/13/2008 4:04:36 AM
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And just so ya know, McCain has never ever ever called Obama or Biden a pig. Ever. For any reason. What Obama said is as clear as day. I dont care how many times its mentioned on urban dictionary...lol
What does that matter? So just because he didnt make it up then its alright to call her a pig? Thats what he did. End of. Only a few people will actually see it for what it is.
IF ANYONE'S A PIG, IT'S McCAIN!
I can't comprehend how anyone who has followed the Obama campaign would have thought for a moment that Senator Obama could even THINK of calling Sarah Palin a pig. That's grade school stuff that would serve no political purpose for Obama. But beyond that, do you REALLY think he's that kind of man? If so, you don't know him very well. (Don't blindly swallow all the rubbish spewed up by hatemongers like Rush, Savage, and Coulter and the hoax e-mailers. Find out for yourself who Obama is and what he stands for.)
I'm certain that no one at the McCain campaign truly believed that it was Obama's intent to say that Sarah Palin is a pig, yet they had no qualms about putting their perverted spin on Obama's statement and announcing their contrived outrage over this figure of speech that McCain himself has often used. Given the reaction they've generated from the Obama haters, Karl Rove's nogoodnicks at McCain Central have proved once again that their dirty tricks work all too well with too many Americans. Too many people—even Christians—are too eager to believe the worst about Obama. In keeping with his principles as a believer in Christ, Barack has strived to take the high road, while McCain's camp puts out false, misleading, mean-spirited ads that conclude with "I'm John McCain and I approve this message." McCain's people are lying and cheating to try to steal this election, yet so many Christians are filled with hate for Obama and blame the media because the McCain campaign is continually being called out by the fact-checking organizations.
If you are itching to be offended, take a listen to John McCain, whose crude and cruel sense of humor is well documented: What's So Funny About Rape and an "Ugly" Teenage Girl? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPnfnB7fRek)
You can dress McCain up in our pro-family values and train him to blurt out "At the moment of conception" on cue*, but under all the cosmetics, he's still a pig! (Barack might be too high-minded to call someone a p-i-g, but if you watched the video, you know it's true. McCain does NOT display the kind of character and judgment I want in our next commander-in-chief!)
The follow link tells what Dr. Dobson had to say about John McCain in 2000:
McCain: An Unethical Adulterer? (http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/Mark%20Nickolas/blog/&blogId=3175)
Nothing has changed, except that McCain now has a pork-loving hockey mom as his running mate. (After endorsing the Republican "Bridge to Nowhere" and then backing off when it became a national symbol of government waste, PALIN KEPT THE MONEY and spent it on the road to nowhere! (http://thepage.time.com/obama-camp-release-on-palins-bridge-to-nowhere-claims)/ Mrs. Palin, when you say "Thanks but no thanks" that means you DON'T GET TO KEEP THE MONEY!!!)
* I wish Rick Warren had followed up by asking McCain WHY he thought unborn babies should have rights at the moment of conception. And what would those rights mean for an unborn baby of "illegal aliens" who is conceived in the United States? Citizenship? I'm sure McCain would have stammered and stuttered like our friend P-P-P-Porky P-P-P-Pig. Thee-uh-thee-uh-thee-uh, THAT'S ALL FOLKS!
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/13/2008 9:34:57 AM
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Alaska receives more government porkbarrel nonsense than any other state. Palin is the governor of said state and you can bet she loves it. When you are swimming in money (the spoils of pork) it is remarkably easy to stay in politics. Just look at Ted Stevens.
I'm sorry that words involving pigs are so common. Perhaps people are a little too eager to fall down and cry, hoping that the ref will foul the opposition.
Pork. Pork. Pork. Get an education on pork. I thought wild and unprovoked whining was supposed to be a liberal thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pork_barrel
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/13/2008 10:00:20 AM
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It immediately struck me as a strange construction of words. But, I see that the clumsy structure made me miss the point they were trying to make. My apologies. :)
It's laughable for democrats to be whining about pork (as in stealing from all of us to enrich one's constituants.) since the King of Pork is Robert (I just liked the look of the hood) Byrd a democrat.
The tragedy of the current republicans is that they all too happily joined their democrat colleques in stealing from the American taxpayers to buy votes back home.
If both democrat and republican voters now turn on this practice, from this election forward, that will be a GOOD thing. And... I think you might want to go back and check on Ted Stevens. He's cooked.
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Alaska receives more government porkbarrel nonsense than any other state. Palin is the governor of said state and you can bet she loves it. When you are swimming in money (the spoils of pork) it is remarkably easy to stay in politics. Just look at Ted Stevens.
I'm sorry that words involving pigs are so common. Perhaps people are a little too eager to fall down and cry, hoping that the ref will foul the opposition.
Pork. Pork. Pork. Get an education on pork. I thought wild and unprovoked whining was supposed to be a liberal thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pork_barrel
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/13/2008 10:17:56 AM
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I though I'd post that although I do believe Obama knew what he was implying it's time to let it go.
I did notice someone mentioned the Curious George reference which I will quickly say that is SO WRONG no matter where it originated. Thankfully it was some idoit out there and not McCain that made that reference.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/13/2008 10:24:03 AM
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....and I think this thread has about run it's course.
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RE: From an onlooker... - 9/13/2008 1:11:46 PM
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huangshan
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Corrections:
- Curious George is a monkey, not an ape.
- BO is mixed race, not African-American. His mama is white.
He's black with a white mother. It's not your place to judge how legitimately black anyone is but yourself, and discussions about racial purity are profoundly archaic and immature.
And... are you actually defending the Curious George/Barack Obama comparison? Just condemn it and move on, don't give racist trash life by nitpicking.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/13/2008 1:13:27 PM
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And just so ya know, McCain has never ever ever called Obama or Biden a pig. Ever. For any reason. What Obama said is as clear as day. I dont care how many times its mentioned on urban dictionary...lol
What does that matter? So just because he didnt make it up then its alright to call her a pig? Thats what he did. End of. Only a few people will actually see it for what it is.
IF ANYONE'S A PIG, IT'S McCAIN!
I can't comprehend how anyone who has followed the Obama campaign would have thought for a moment that Senator Obama could even THINK of calling Sarah Palin a pig. That's grade school stuff that would serve no political purpose for Obama. But beyond that, do you REALLY think he's that kind of man? If so, you don't know him very well. (Don't blindly swallow all the rubbish spewed up by hatemongers like Rush, Savage, and Coulter and the hoax e-mailers. Find out for yourself who Obama is and what he stands for.)
It's not the first time BHO has dissed women. When asked about HC's supporters, he told them to "get over it." When a female reporter asked him a question while in Michigan, he called her "sweetie," and told her he'd get back to her. He never did answer her question.
We know what BHO stands for.
- Unrestrained slaughter of the unborn
- Accomodation of our enemies
- Personal stinginess (His brother lives in a shack made of garbage. His tax returns have shown little regard for charity.)
- Normalization of sodomy
So, in the word of BHO, get over it sweetie.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/13/2008 4:28:35 PM
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Corrections:
- Curious George is a monkey, not an ape.
Monkeys are apes. As are gorillas. As are chimps. As are humans.
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Calm down and take a breath... 
We don't hate Obama. We dislike the socialism that Obama would bring to our country that has ruined so many other countries.
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Nothing has changed, except that McCain now has a pork-loving hockey mom as his running mate.
A "PORK LOVING" hockey mom?
Uh... say "Hello" to Osama for us and let him know that we're still looking for him.
I don't know many Christians that use the phrase "pork loving" to demean someone.
I shouldn't admit this, but it took me a minute to get WHY this phrase was used. I'm sitting here puzzled, thinking, "So? I like pork chops, too."
But that's not really what we're talking about, is it? 
Oh, and every sandwich should have a slice or two of hot capicola.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/13/2008 5:11:26 PM
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you can put lipstick on your arguments relady, but they're still pigs. As are yours....
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/13/2008 5:15:13 PM
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We don't hate Obama. We dislike the socialism that Obama would bring to our country that has ruined so many other countries. Wow, coulda fooled me. Hatred is spewed out here every single day by the "loving" Christians. Yall would do well to stick to the ISSUES rather than attacking him as a person, which has been done AD NAUSEUM on more than one thread on these boards. If you don't like his policies address that without call HIM names. I know of at least two posters out here that simply can NOT do that, not on a bet.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/13/2008 6:05:05 PM
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I wish liberals would learn what terms like "hatred" and "liar" mean. Disagreement does not = hatred. Saying something that differs from the liberal talking points does not = lying.
Yet more evidence that liberals reach conclusions based upon emotion rather than reason.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/13/2008 6:37:13 PM
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Wow, coulda fooled me. Hatred is spewed out here every single day by the "loving" Christians. Yall would do well to stick to the ISSUES rather than attacking him as a person, which has been done AD NAUSEUM on more than one thread on these boards. If you don't like his policies address that without call HIM names. I know of at least two posters out here that simply can NOT do that, not on a bet.
A person's actions to dictate what and who they are... One who rapes children is called a pedophile...
It's a complete joke to think you can separate what a person does from who they are... So and so believes this one thing and states another but he's not a hypocrite? How is that?
People around here for whatever reason believe love is found in looking the other way... They would let a brother live in sin in the name in the love when in fact it's far from love that allows a brother to walk in sin...
If people don't like labels that are attached to whomever in regards to their actions I suggest they find other people to support... How one acts and their beliefs are what dictate who they are.
I am sure if person posted they support the Klan there's be no problem calling a spade a spade...
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/13/2008 6:38:13 PM
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I wish liberals would learn what terms like "hatred" and "liar" mean. Disagreement does not = hatred. Saying something that differs from the liberal talking points does not = lying.
What it comes down to is acceptance of certain things... If you dare take a stand it will seen as hate... Comprise is spoke of before the issue is even defined...
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/13/2008 7:28:23 PM
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We don't hate Obama. We dislike the socialism that Obama would bring to our country that has ruined so many other countries.
Um, the US is already largely socialist. Yet somehow, it hasn't burst into flames.
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A "PORK LOVING" hockey mom?
Then why has Palin already requested $200M in earmarks for her state in 2008 alone (including for a projects studying the mating habits of seals and crabs)?
And don't tell me that if Palin and McCain are elected that the days of earmarks, and pork barrel spending will be history.
It's a lie. Such things are the age-old currency of American politics.
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Shouldn't your handle be more like Ex-GOPer4Osama?
Wow, that's classy.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/13/2008 7:45:30 PM
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Um, the US is already largely socialist. Yet somehow, it hasn't burst into flames.
We are very much teetering on the brink. IMO, that's what this election is about. You just made my point.
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/13/2008 8:00:43 PM
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you can put lipstick on your arguments relady, but they're still pigs. As are yours....
personally i'd rather have my posts containing facts linked from news articles called pigs rather than your posts containing wrong info but then again i prefer the truth ;)
p.s. you should learn from some of your fellow liberals and respond with truth and facts as letusreason did to my inquiry ...
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/13/2008 8:44:36 PM
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Haven't read the thread, but as far as the hoopla about the "lipstick on a pig" comment, it's much ado about nothing. There are plenty of things to use to hold Obama's feet to the fire. But this isn't one of 'em.
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RE: From an onlooker... - 9/14/2008 3:16:08 AM
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Issues such as this distract us from the very real and very serious issues that face Christian voters. Scriptures support two overarching themes - love your God and love your neighbor. Everything else feeds those themes. As Christians we vote two-notes-- abortion and homosexuality. We have been loud, strident, and condemning. Very few people change through harshness and criticism -- if there is any chance of winning them over it is through love and acceptance. It is the Holy Spirit's job to change them, it is our job to introduce them to Jesus Christ...calling them murderers and sodomites reduces the chances of success with that. We have abdicated the Christian repsonsibiity to be good stewards of the land God created and Christian's need to step up and be leaders on that front -- check Palin's record on that; check her record on aerial hunting of wolves and bears -- acts of such cruelty that it boggles the mind. We have abandoned the Bible's recurring theme to help the poor and oppressed, often being even a force of oppression. We have elected a government that enables businesses to prey on the poor, charging them as much as 30% interest, take away every benefit to increase profits, then ship their jobs overseas where they don't enrich the lives of those people, but pay them little more than slave's wages. Pray to look at both parties through God's eyes, not with our own narrow lenses
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/14/2008 3:26:33 AM
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hmmm.....but conservatives do feel it is ok to condemn a pastor as unpatriotic because he makes a statement that God will damn America for racism. They also feel it's okay to equate a Muslim name with a person being a terrorist and that equation does not equal out either.
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RE: From an onlooker... - 9/14/2008 10:47:01 AM
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Issues such as this distract us from the very real and very serious issues that face Christian voters. Scriptures support two overarching themes - love your God and love your neighbor. Everything else feeds those themes. As Christians we vote two-notes-- abortion and homosexuality. We have been loud, strident, and condemning. Very few people change through harshness and criticism -- if there is any chance of winning them over it is through love and acceptance.
People don't change when you accept what they do as right when it's not...
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It is the Holy Spirit's job to change them, it is our job to introduce them to Jesus Christ...calling them murderers and sodomites reduces the chances of success with that.
People who murder and act out sexual perversion label themselves...
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We have abdicated the Christian repsonsibiity to be good stewards of the land God created and Christian's need to step up and be leaders on that front -- check Palin's record on that; check her record on aerial hunting of wolves and bears -- acts of such cruelty that it boggles the mind. We have abandoned the Bible's recurring theme to help the poor and oppressed, often being even a force of oppression. We have elected a government that enables businesses to prey on the poor, charging them as much as 30% interest, take away every benefit to increase profits, then ship their jobs overseas where they don't enrich the lives of those people, but pay them little more than slave's wages. Pray to look at both parties through God's eyes, not with our own narrow lenses
There is more than one party?
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/14/2008 10:50:46 AM
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hmmm.....but conservatives do feel it is ok to condemn a pastor as unpatriotic because he makes a statement that God will damn America for racism. They also feel it's okay to equate a Muslim name with a person being a terrorist and that equation does not equal out either.
True, there is really no need for that since one can simply point out that the pastor and the church in question recognizes same sex unions, thereby condemning itself and the other person isn't a Muslim nor a Christian based on his actions... There is more than enough clear truth to point out...
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RE: "Lipstick On A Pig" - Obama - 9/14/2008 1:32:12 PM
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We are very much teetering on the brink. IMO, that's what this election is about. You just made my point.
On the brink of what? You're talking ghost stories.
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