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Bob_George -> Third party candidates unite? (9/10/2008 4:30:17 AM)

There has been a lot of speculation recently that third party candidates such as Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin, Cynthia McKinney and Ralph Nader will step down as presidential candidates and unite in support of the same third party ticket. If so, that could turn this election upside down. The man expected to front the third party ticket? Congressman Ron Paul.

Last week, Ron Paul held his own convention in Minneapolis called the "Rally for the Republic" which attracted 12,000 attendees. A significant amount of support. This event was not to announce a run for presidency or to endorse a candidate for president. It was explained by Ron Paul as "a celebration of our movement and our supporters, a launch party for the Campaign for Liberty, and a clear call to the Republican Party to return to its roots of limited government, personal responsibility, and protection of our natural rights".

Ron Paul is expected to make a major announcement in Washington at the National Press Club. Chuck Baldwin, Bob Barr, Cynthia McKinney, and Ralph Nader will be present. It's been speculated that Ron Paul will announce his run for presidency with Balwin, Barr, McKinney and Nader stepping down and throwing their support behind him. If this is true, he's probably run on the Constitutional Party ticket or the Libertarian Party ticket. He ran on the Libertarian ticket in 1988 and has always been a supported of the Constitutional Party.

But Ron Paul isn't giving anything away. Just today he told MSNBC that he does not have any plans for the fall. But how many Presidential candidates said they weren't running right up until the last minute then make a "surprise" announcement of their presidential candidacy?

So this is all just speculation. No one knows what will happen tomorrow? All we know is a bunch of third party candidates are going to be at the same event to make a major announcement.

Now, I know a third party candidate never has a chance at being elected to the highest office in the United States. But they can and have taken vital votes off of Republican and Democrats. A big third party ticket has a lot of influence. But what do you think? Will Ron Paul running as a third party candidate with the full support of Chuck Baldwin, Bob Barr, Cynthia McKinney, and Ralph Nader upset the election?



cow451 -> RE: Third party candidates unite? (9/10/2008 9:59:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bob_George

There has been a lot of speculation recently that third party candidates such as Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin, Cynthia McKinney and Ralph Nader will step down as presidential candidates and unite in support of the same third party ticket. If so, that could turn this election upside down. The man expected to front the third party ticket? Congressman Ron Paul.

Last week, Ron Paul held his own convention in Minneapolis called the "Rally for the Republic" which attracted 12,000 attendees. A significant amount of support. This event was not to announce a run for presidency or to endorse a candidate for president. It was explained by Ron Paul as "a celebration of our movement and our supporters, a launch party for the Campaign for Liberty, and a clear call to the Republican Party to return to its roots of limited government, personal responsibility, and protection of our natural rights".

Ron Paul is expected to make a major announcement in Washington at the National Press Club. Chuck Baldwin, Bob Barr, Cynthia McKinney, and Ralph Nader will be present. It's been speculated that Ron Paul will announce his run for presidency with Balwin, Barr, McKinney and Nader stepping down and throwing their support behind him. If this is true, he's probably run on the Constitutional Party ticket or the Libertarian Party ticket. He ran on the Libertarian ticket in 1988 and has always been a supported of the Constitutional Party.

But Ron Paul isn't giving anything away. Just today he told MSNBC that he does not have any plans for the fall. But how many Presidential candidates said they weren't running right up until the last minute then make a "surprise" announcement of their presidential candidacy?

So this is all just speculation. No one knows what will happen tomorrow? All we know is a bunch of third party candidates are going to be at the same event to make a major announcement.

Now, I know a third party candidate never has a chance at being elected to the highest office in the United States. But they can and have taken vital votes off of Republican and Democrats. A big third party ticket has a lot of influence. But what do you think? Will Ron Paul running as a third party candidate with the full support of Chuck Baldwin, Bob Barr, Cynthia McKinney, and Ralph Nader upset the election?

Oh, stunning news !!!!!!!!!!!!! Now L. Ron Paul will syphon .00000000000000000001 percent away from the McMaverick/Barracuda ticket.



phreddy -> RE: Third party candidates unite? (9/10/2008 10:48:55 AM)

Aren't there some pretty substantial hurdlles to getting one's name on the ballot, like having so many thousands of signatures? It seems to me to be almost impossible to make any kind of surprise announcement that could succeed without having a lot of ground work being done in every state beforehand.



GregandJenny -> RE: Third party candidates unite? (9/10/2008 10:52:48 AM)

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Chuck Baldwin, Cynthia McKinney and Ralph Nader will step down as presidential candidates and unite in support of the same third party ticket.


They can do whatever they want to do, it's to late to mess up this election, the race is between Obama and McCain.

If a third party want to really rise and become part they are going to have to work in the years between a major election, and in small governments first. It's always been weird to me that we hardly ever hear about 3rd party
s until big elections like governorships or presidential canidates.

In Washington we will never have a 3rd party on a major ballot because we do the top 2. What that means is in the primary on the top two (unless one wins over 50%) goes on to the major election ballot.

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tinydancer2 -> RE: Third party candidates unite? (9/10/2008 11:47:07 AM)

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Ladies and Gents that is awesome!

I watch Ron Paul at C-SPAN last weekend, trully like him and he said thatof course there are no way to beat the numbers of the two parties and win election, but the idea of a third party gaining support and competing is very good and healthy!

Here we go, hopefuly a third party on the making with Ron Paul leading. Have to say that I dislike Cynthia Mckinney ways very much so as I got to known Bob Barr also a bit because I do live in Ga for almost 10 years.

I am trully very pleased with the news , its a start!!!

What I trully hope is that abortion becomes illegal again in this land and tthat all parties do compete without the pro-life and pro-choice plataforms. That is my hope!



SwedishCovenant -> RE: Third party candidates unite? (9/10/2008 11:50:30 AM)

I heard that the Anarchists were going to jump on board, too, but they couldn't reach a decision.



Bob_George -> RE: Third party candidates unite? (9/10/2008 12:01:08 PM)

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there are no way to beat the numbers of the two parties and win election, but the idea of a third party gaining support and competing is very good and healthy!



Exactly. This is what it's all about. People say it's pointless for the third-party people to band together like this but it is. It's not about being elected. It's about making a statement. Ron Paul, Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin, Cynthia McKinney and Ralph Nader, as much as they may disagree on a lot of issues, they all share the common theme of liberty and freedom. I love that they're banding together. I don't know specifics of what they are banding together to achieve. Whether it be to support Ron Paul for President. I don't know. All I know is they want to make a statement and I think what they're doing is noble.



cow451 -> RE: Third party candidates unite? (9/10/2008 12:03:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SwedishCovenant

I heard that the Anarchists were going to jump on board, too, but they couldn't reach a decision.

LOL. And the Green Party was up a tree.



tinydancer2 -> RE: Third party candidates unite? (9/10/2008 12:04:14 PM)

I wish to know how many people % really vote during elections..I do think people do not vote in US elections.

The way I see is that people are compressed in 2 two parties as sardines or tuna in a can. The two parties already carry many elements coming from extreme sides of right and left..and there are the ones who does not vote. Hopefuly elections do became exciting for majority of society and the your people getting to age to vote and etc.


This election 2008 will be historical in many ways and that is how elections are supose to be taken very seriously!

Great! [sm=dance.gif]



blessedinnyc -> RE: Third party candidates unite? (9/10/2008 12:06:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cow451
Oh, stunning news !!!!!!!!!!!!! Now L. Ron Paul will syphon .00000000000000000001 percent away from the McMaverick/Barracuda ticket.

Hey, I'd vote for him.

We need a traditional conservative to fix the budget mess Bush has left us with.

A Ron Paul presidency would likely be great news for the dollar, at the very least.



JimboFletch -> RE: Third party candidates unite? (9/10/2008 12:16:29 PM)

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...they all share the common theme of liberty and freedom...

Woopdidoo. That makes them right in tune with the major parties... I'll bet they're patriotic too. Maybe even in favor of change. They might even think there are some pigs with lipstick out there.
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stamper_ben -> RE: Third party candidates unite? (9/10/2008 12:17:23 PM)

I'm all for a third party in the political process here in the US. A CONSERVATIVE party that stands for the ideals of what the country was founded on. Even if Ron (shrimp industry) Paul were to begin the process to get that going I could see myself being active in that since the GOP hasn't really stepped up to the plate in staying at it's conservative roots.

But to think that McKinney and Nader are going to have anything to do with party that is truly conservative, perhaps you'd better get back staying involved in Aussie politics. [8|]



Bob_George -> RE: Third party candidates unite? (9/10/2008 12:17:56 PM)

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Woopdidoo. That makes them right in tune with the major parties...


I think that's their appeal.



JimboFletch -> RE: Third party candidates unite? (9/10/2008 12:20:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bob_George

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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

Woopdidoo. That makes them right in tune with the major parties...


I think that's their appeal.

Vanilla, just another generic brand.
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cow451 -> RE: Third party candidates unite? (9/10/2008 12:20:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc

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ORIGINAL: cow451
Oh, stunning news !!!!!!!!!!!!! Now L. Ron Paul will syphon .00000000000000000001 percent away from the McMaverick/Barracuda ticket.

Hey, I'd vote for him.

We need a traditional conservative to fix the budget mess Bush has left us with.

A Ron Paul presidency would likely be great news for the dollar, at the very least.


L. Ron gets support from both the extreme right and the extreme left.



blessedinnyc -> RE: Third party candidates unite? (9/10/2008 12:24:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cow451

L. Ron gets support from both the extreme right and the extreme left.

How about the extreme middle? I was a liberal until I moved to New York. Now I realize the problem with running deficits (ridiculous taxes in the future- or present, in New York's case.)



cow451 -> RE: Third party candidates unite? (9/10/2008 1:02:12 PM)

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L. Ron gets support from both the extreme right and the extreme left.

How about the extreme middle? I was a liberal until I moved to New York. Now I realize the problem with running deficits (ridiculous taxes in the future- or present, in New York's case.)


There is no extreme middle. Sounds like you may be a Libertarian, like L. Ron.



tinydancer2 -> RE: Third party candidates unite? (9/10/2008 1:36:31 PM)

I cannot believe! I just made a discovery by just reading wekepedia about Ron Paul introduction that I do agree very much with him and is just not a situation I like him but I like his positions in many issues for sure more than the other parties!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul

I just find out I may be a Libertarian also as my positions do have a name.. That is wonderful I kind of not feeling an outsider any more! Well, at least for now because I do have to learn about stuff there I cant understand because I am not educated in many things...

He actualy introduced bills to negate Roe v Wade ! Foreigner policy of nonintervention!! Federal Reserve opposition I get a bit have to learn more but if is the case to stop printing money when there is no money I do agree! I dont understand the hard money situation thou...still reading stuff etc.

Here is a beautiful Texan representative that the world may call an "American Cowboy" but cowboys comes in many shapes and form and hats! That is lovely that it seems I do have a candidate of my own now, I think.


What you guys who are Republicans have "against" him? How come he is a Republican and Libertarian at same time I dont get it...


Thanks! [:D]



stamper_ben -> RE: Third party candidates unite? (9/10/2008 1:55:08 PM)

Many Republicans have a Libertarian streak in them. I know I do.

But living in the area not more than a district away, and having watched his campaign during the primaries, his actions in Congress and his statements on the stump do not match up. The biggest one for me that is the deal killer is his opposition to earmarks. Yet he has yet to turn them down and make life easier for his shrimp industry friends to gobble at the feeding trough that is what Washington has become.



Rockwall -> RE: Third party candidates unite? (9/10/2008 2:04:54 PM)

Ron Paul is a 911 Truther who believes our government was behind 9/11. How many of you here think that our government blew up the Twin Towers or was literally involved in any other way? To some that might not matter and might agree with it, but I think it is preposterous.

As for the Green Party, I have heard some of her spots on the radio and they are a loon too. I don't know any other way to put it except to say that America is not ready to nominate a hood-rat for president.



cow451 -> RE: Third party candidates unite? (9/10/2008 2:16:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AdrianaS

I cannot believe! I just made a discovery by just reading wekepedia about Ron Paul introduction that I do agree very much with him and is just not a situation I like him but I like his positions in many issues for sure more than the other parties!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul

I just find out I may be a Libertarian also as my positions do have a name.. That is wonderful I kind of not feeling an outsider any more! Well, at least for now because I do have to learn about stuff there I cant understand because I am not educated in many things...

Thanks! [:D]


Congratulations. You now have a category for your beliefs: Fringe.[:D]



Psalms274 -> RE: Third party candidates unite? (9/10/2008 2:23:46 PM)

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What you guys who are Republicans have "against" him? How come he is a Republican and Libertarian at same time I dont get it...


He's big into imaginary conspiracy theories ... which in my mind makes for poor judgment to put mildly ... something I do not want in a President. Factcheck.org did a little research on some of his claims if you would like to take a look ... I have found factcheck to be a fairly reliable and unbiased source for most issues.



tinydancer2 -> RE: Third party candidates unite? (9/10/2008 2:25:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stamper_ben

Many Republicans have a Libertarian streak in them. I know I do.

But living in the area not more than a district away, and having watched his campaign during the primaries, his actions in Congress and his statements on the stump do not match up. The biggest one for me that is the deal killer is his opposition to earmarks. Yet he has yet to turn them down and make life easier for his shrimp industry friends to gobble at the feeding trough that is what Washington has become.



I see..

Sorry for my ignorance..but earmaks opposition is relating to what? Have no ideia. Shrimp industry friends also?

Thanks, learning, by you being a local is sure a great help to get to know him, as I just got introduced to him.[:D]



tinydancer2 -> RE: Third party candidates unite? (9/10/2008 2:34:49 PM)


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Ron Paul is a 911 Truther who believes our government was behind 9/11. How many of you here think that our government blew up the Twin Towers or was literally involved in any other way? To some that might not matter and might agree with it, but I think it is preposterous


Humm, is it so?

I do not embrace conspiray theories...[&:]


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Congratulations. You now have a category for your beliefs: Fringe.



Fringe as an acessory and marginal? No way Jose!

Here I go..when I though I found my party tribe is all getting "raid" vaporized just like that...LOL



[8D]



tinydancer2 -> RE: Third party candidates unite? (9/10/2008 2:37:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Psalms274

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What you guys who are Republicans have "against" him? How come he is a Republican and Libertarian at same time I dont get it...


He's big into imaginary conspiracy theories ... which in my mind makes for poor judgment to put mildly ... something I do not want in a President. Factcheck.org did a little research on some of his claims if you would like to take a look ... I have found factcheck to be a fairly reliable and unbiased source for most issues.


[>:]

Is it so Psalms?

Now, I am back as a protestant of the 2 party system..I guess..still thinking is healthy and good a third party!

[:D]



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