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RE: Third party candidates unite? - 9/10/2008 2:38:52 PM
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rlj
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L. Ron gets support from both the extreme right and the extreme left.
Didn't Galileo prove that the spectrum is round and not flat and that if you go extreme to the left you end up to the right and visa-versa?
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RE: Third party candidates unite? - 9/10/2008 2:44:03 PM
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L. Ron gets support from both the extreme right and the extreme left.
Didn't Galileo prove that the spectrum is round and not flat and that if you go extreme to the left you end up to the right and visa-versa?
Didn't he get sent to Guantanamo for that?
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RE: Third party candidates unite? - 9/10/2008 3:09:46 PM
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Sorry for my ignorance..but earmaks opposition is relating to what? Have no ideia. Shrimp industry friends also? He SAYS on the floor of Congress that he opposes federal money going to districts for special interests - like the Alaska bridge to nowhere - all the while working to get money to go into his own district. The example I used in the shrimp industry was money he got that went specifically to that group who are headquartered in his district.
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RE: Third party candidates unite? - 9/10/2008 3:16:39 PM
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Bas
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In Washington we will never have a 3rd party on a major ballot because we do the top 2. What that means is in the primary on the top two (unless one wins over 50%) goes on to the major election ballot.
Yes, in many places and ways the democrats and republicans have made the rules so it is nearly impossible to get a viable 3rd option. The two parties agree they want to be the only game in town and have worked together to make sure they are.
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RE: Third party candidates unite? - 9/10/2008 3:19:47 PM
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Ron Paul was on Neil Cavuto yesterday and said that he will not be running for the presidency that he is standing behind his word that he made all throughout this campaign that he would not run as a third party.
If he were to do so now, after stating that he wouldn't, it would only hurt his credibility.
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RE: Third party candidates unite? - 9/10/2008 8:39:36 PM
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Sorry for my ignorance..but earmaks opposition is relating to what? Have no ideia. Shrimp industry friends also? He SAYS on the floor of Congress that he opposes federal money going to districts for special interests - like the Alaska bridge to nowhere - all the while working to get money to go into his own district. The example I used in the shrimp industry was money he got that went specifically to that group who are headquartered in his district.
I see, thanks.
What make me think the news I got couple hours ago about a report that some government officials from Dept of Interior dealings with oil industry people..is not the same thing still public servants are suppose to serve the people and use $ wise as not receive "gifts" from groups, conflict of interests and etc.
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RE: Third party candidates unite? - 9/11/2008 3:49:41 AM
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Ron Paul is a 911 Truther who believes our government was behind 9/11. How many of you here think that our government blew up the Twin Towers or was literally involved in any other way? To some that might not matter and might agree with it, but I think it is preposterous.
lol, no he's not.
Anyway, as it turns out. Ron Paul is not running for President. I think people were just over-excited. All that happened at the event was that Ron Paul announced that McCain had personally requested an endorsement from him and he declined in favour of endorsing the four third party candidates, Baldwin, Barr, McKinney and Nader. Then after the event, Ron Paul and Ralph Nader appeared together on CNN: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEw0qKjP7hk
Basically they just want to put pressure on the two major parties to change their ways. They want to be at the debates. They want to change the system. They want third party candidates to have a chance. Not a chance at being President, but just a chance to make a difference.
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RE: Third party candidates unite? - 9/11/2008 4:12:08 AM
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There has been a lot of speculation recently that third party candidates such as Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin, Cynthia McKinney and Ralph Nader will step down as presidential candidates and unite in support of the same third party ticket. If so, that could turn this election upside down. The man expected to front the third party ticket? Congressman Ron Paul.
Last week, Ron Paul held his own convention in Minneapolis called the "Rally for the Republic" which attracted 12,000 attendees. A significant amount of support. This event was not to announce a run for presidency or to endorse a candidate for president. It was explained by Ron Paul as "a celebration of our movement and our supporters, a launch party for the Campaign for Liberty, and a clear call to the Republican Party to return to its roots of limited government, personal responsibility, and protection of our natural rights".
Ron Paul is expected to make a major announcement in Washington at the National Press Club. Chuck Baldwin, Bob Barr, Cynthia McKinney, and Ralph Nader will be present. It's been speculated that Ron Paul will announce his run for presidency with Balwin, Barr, McKinney and Nader stepping down and throwing their support behind him. If this is true, he's probably run on the Constitutional Party ticket or the Libertarian Party ticket. He ran on the Libertarian ticket in 1988 and has always been a supported of the Constitutional Party.
But Ron Paul isn't giving anything away. Just today he told MSNBC that he does not have any plans for the fall. But how many Presidential candidates said they weren't running right up until the last minute then make a "surprise" announcement of their presidential candidacy?
So this is all just speculation. No one knows what will happen tomorrow? All we know is a bunch of third party candidates are going to be at the same event to make a major announcement.
Now, I know a third party candidate never has a chance at being elected to the highest office in the United States. But they can and have taken vital votes off of Republican and Democrats. A big third party ticket has a lot of influence. But what do you think? Will Ron Paul running as a third party candidate with the full support of Chuck Baldwin, Bob Barr, Cynthia McKinney, and Ralph Nader upset the election?
Oh, stunning news !!!!!!!!!!!!! Now L. Ron Paul will syphon .00000000000000000001 percent away from the McMaverick/Barracuda ticket.
LOL!!!!!!!
Yeah like how many votes did he get before? 5? lol
Hey watch this about more quotes from Ron Paul..wonderful guy 
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=de_CSuJCsfY
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RE: Third party candidates unite? - 9/11/2008 4:15:37 AM
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Yeah like how many votes did he get before? 5? lol
In the primaries this year?
Try 30,000.
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RE: Third party candidates unite? - 9/11/2008 4:45:06 AM
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If a third party want to really rise and become part they are going to have to work in the years between a major election, and in small governments first. It's always been weird to me that we hardly ever hear about 3rd party
s until big elections like governorships or presidential canidates.
I agree. But your statement also holds true for those "unelectable" candidates in the repubs and dems. Those candidates who actually identify with your beliefs. Start getting their message out Now!
We are as much to blame because we often wait too late to pick a candidate. By the time we find a true conservative he/she is too far behind in the polls and or the media has dropped them from the slate.
Thus their message gets obscured and or left out due to the media emphasis on the Big Name candidates.
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RE: Third party candidates unite? - 9/11/2008 4:50:17 AM
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Thessa
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Yeah like how many votes did he get before? 5? lol
In the primaries this year?
Try 30,000.
Which translates to 5.
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RE: Third party candidates unite? - 9/11/2008 9:56:50 AM
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There has been a lot of speculation recently that third party candidates such as Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin, Cynthia McKinney and Ralph Nader will step down as presidential candidates and unite in support of the same third party ticket. If so, that could turn this election upside down. The man expected to front the third party ticket? Congressman Ron Paul.
Last week, Ron Paul held his own convention in Minneapolis called the "Rally for the Republic" which attracted 12,000 attendees. A significant amount of support. This event was not to announce a run for presidency or to endorse a candidate for president. It was explained by Ron Paul as "a celebration of our movement and our supporters, a launch party for the Campaign for Liberty, and a clear call to the Republican Party to return to its roots of limited government, personal responsibility, and protection of our natural rights".
Ron Paul is expected to make a major announcement in Washington at the National Press Club. Chuck Baldwin, Bob Barr, Cynthia McKinney, and Ralph Nader will be present. It's been speculated that Ron Paul will announce his run for presidency with Balwin, Barr, McKinney and Nader stepping down and throwing their support behind him. If this is true, he's probably run on the Constitutional Party ticket or the Libertarian Party ticket. He ran on the Libertarian ticket in 1988 and has always been a supported of the Constitutional Party.
But Ron Paul isn't giving anything away. Just today he told MSNBC that he does not have any plans for the fall. But how many Presidential candidates said they weren't running right up until the last minute then make a "surprise" announcement of their presidential candidacy?
So this is all just speculation. No one knows what will happen tomorrow? All we know is a bunch of third party candidates are going to be at the same event to make a major announcement.
Now, I know a third party candidate never has a chance at being elected to the highest office in the United States. But they can and have taken vital votes off of Republican and Democrats. A big third party ticket has a lot of influence. But what do you think? Will Ron Paul running as a third party candidate with the full support of Chuck Baldwin, Bob Barr, Cynthia McKinney, and Ralph Nader upset the election?
That would completely defeat the purpose of the 3rd Party. I supported Dr. Paul in the Republican Primary and now that McCain has the nomination, I will be supporting Bob Barr in the general election. The plan above would serve no purpose other than to disrupt the establishment. The problem with the 2 party system is that the 2 parties are too similar. Coming up with this homogenized 3rd party would be no different than the democrats or republicans. But on the other hand, simply upsetting the system would be reason enough for me to vote for them. But I really just don't see this happening. There are too many extemely different points of view to be represented on 1 ticket.
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RE: Third party candidates unite? - 9/11/2008 10:16:34 AM
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Ron Paul is a 911 Truther who believes our government was behind 9/11.
That's a very bold statement to make. Do you have anything to back that up?
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Albert Einstein said that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. That convinces me that our nation is insane because we continually elect republicans and democrats expecting change and get none.
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RE: Third party candidates unite? - 9/11/2008 10:26:50 AM
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Thessa
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Ron Paul is a 911 Truther who believes our government was behind 9/11.
That's a very bold statement to make. Do you have anything to back that up?
There are actually alot of websites on that.
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RE: Third party candidates unite? - 9/11/2008 10:30:40 AM
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rgsoundguy
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Ron Paul is a 911 Truther who believes our government was behind 9/11.
That's a very bold statement to make. Do you have anything to back that up?
There are actually alot of websites on that.
Okay, so point me to some. If people are going to make slanderous statements like that, they should be prepared to cite their sources. Owness is on the person who makes the statements.
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Albert Einstein said that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. That convinces me that our nation is insane because we continually elect republicans and democrats expecting change and get none.
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RE: Third party candidates unite? - 9/11/2008 10:52:37 AM
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Thessa
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Ron Paul is a 911 Truther who believes our government was behind 9/11.
That's a very bold statement to make. Do you have anything to back that up?
There are actually alot of websites on that.
Okay, so point me to some. If people are going to make slanderous statements like that, they should be prepared to cite their sources. Owness is on the person who makes the statements.
Well you couldve just typed in "Ron Paul 9/11"
But ill do it again for you.
Its not slanderous. You should look at some of the other comments on this section about some people if you think THAT is slanderous.
Actually this is better = just listen to what he says.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ihCP3cfS88E
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RE: Third party candidates unite? - 9/11/2008 11:15:09 AM
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rgsoundguy
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Ron Paul is a 911 Truther who believes our government was behind 9/11.
That's a very bold statement to make. Do you have anything to back that up?
There are actually alot of websites on that.
Okay, so point me to some. If people are going to make slanderous statements like that, they should be prepared to cite their sources. Owness is on the person who makes the statements.
Well you couldve just typed in "Ron Paul 9/11"
But ill do it again for you.
Its not slanderous. You should look at some of the other comments on this section about some people if you think THAT is slanderous.
Actually this is better = just listen to what he says.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ihCP3cfS88E
The point is, if a person is making statements about something that a candidate said, they should provide the documentation. Trust me, I have been called on it plenty of times here, so I just want to make sure that we are all treated equally. I will check your youtube link when I get home from work.
Thank you
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RE: Third party candidates unite? - 9/12/2008 1:00:17 PM
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I cannot believe! I just made a discovery by just reading wekepedia about Ron Paul introduction that I do agree very much with him and is just not a situation I like him but I like his positions in many issues for sure more than the other parties!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul
I just find out I may be a Libertarian also as my positions do have a name.. That is wonderful I kind of not feeling an outsider any more! Well, at least for now because I do have to learn about stuff there I cant understand because I am not educated in many things...
Thanks! 
The truth has set you free! Welcome to the dark side. 
But seriously, I remember about 3 years ago when I discovered that I was a Libertarian. Very eye opening and very freeing. Actually though, I was very Libertarian curious for a number of years, but still bought into that lie of, "If you vote 3rd party, it's a vote for the other candidate." Finally I realized that I can't settle for the lesser of 2 evils. Evil is evil!
Amem!
Isn't that wonderful ?
It is for sure freeing not have to embrace both parties, I cannot because of my conscience and beliefs etc. In my case comming from cultural different experience plus ever learning the US cultural perspectives etc I do not embrace as a person, a traditional conservative and Christian the present status quo, and what goes on into the politics of the two parties system in this nation etc
I sure can't settle for any of that and for sure is not raining in my parade, well even if rains I get to sing and dance in the rain!
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RE: Third party candidates unite? - 9/13/2008 10:54:48 AM
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rgsoundguy
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I cannot believe! I just made a discovery by just reading wekepedia about Ron Paul introduction that I do agree very much with him and is just not a situation I like him but I like his positions in many issues for sure more than the other parties!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul
I just find out I may be a Libertarian also as my positions do have a name.. That is wonderful I kind of not feeling an outsider any more! Well, at least for now because I do have to learn about stuff there I cant understand because I am not educated in many things...
Thanks!
The truth has set you free! Welcome to the dark side.
But seriously, I remember about 3 years ago when I discovered that I was a Libertarian. Very eye opening and very freeing. Actually though, I was very Libertarian curious for a number of years, but still bought into that lie of, "If you vote 3rd party, it's a vote for the other candidate." Finally I realized that I can't settle for the lesser of 2 evils. Evil is evil!
Amem!
Isn't that wonderful ?
It is for sure freeing not have to embrace both parties, I cannot because of my conscience and beliefs etc. In my case comming from cultural different experience plus ever learning the US cultural perspectives etc I do not embrace as a person, a traditional conservative and Christian the present status quo, and what goes on into the politics of the two parties system in this nation etc
I sure can't settle for any of that and for sure is not raining in my parade, well even if rains I get to sing and dance in the rain!
Yeah for me, I tend to lean libertarian, but choose to register independent. I don't want to be associated with a particular party. I did however register Republican this past spring to that I could vote for Ron Paul in the primary, but soon after registered myself back to independent following the primary.
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