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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/12/2008 12:11:27 AM
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Rufas2000
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Liberals cannot be trusted around children. Too many of them get a kick out of sexualizing them.
Whoa there, I hope you're not saying that liberals are more likely to be pedophiles. I don't agree at all with the liberal position on sex ed but I don't think all liberals agree with the liberal position on sex ed. Just like conservatives don't agree with everything any Republican might say.
Sorry if I misinterpreted (which is likely) but that statement just shocked me. Elaboration may be very productive here but thsat's just my opinion.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/12/2008 12:18:31 AM
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Liberals cannot be trusted around children. Too many of them get a kick out of sexualizing them.
Whoa there, I hope you're not saying that liberals are more likely to be pedophiles. I don't agree at all with the liberal position on sex ed but I don't think all liberals agree with the liberal position on sex ed. Just like conservatives don't agree with everything any Republican might say.
Sorry if I misinterpreted (which is likely) but that statement just shocked me. Elaboration may be very productive here but thsat's just my opinion.
I must admit, you are right. I am reminded of a certain Republican congressman who was disgraced because of his love for young congressional interns.
Pedophilia is disgusting and deserves to be exposed whether by a conservative or a liberal.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/12/2008 12:33:37 AM
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Thanks Dubya. Let me clairfy I don't think the poster meant that but I'm not positive, it sounded a bit like that. The other option is that the poster sees many liberals itching to teach children about their bodies. Many liberals probably don't really understand exactly what these sex ed programs do. I think the position he/she was attempting to articulate could have been done in a way far less offensive to liberals, many of whom want whats best for children but are deceived as to what that is.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/12/2008 1:42:52 AM
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Liberals cannot be trusted around children. Too many of them get a kick out of sexualizing them.
I'm a liberal, so I shouldn't be trusted around children?
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/12/2008 8:35:49 AM
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Ever worked in a homeless women's shelter? You would be surprised and horrified at what can be transmitted from improper hygiene.
To top it all off, the majority of these women were prostitutes to pay for their drug usage.
As a matter of FACT I was asked to be the head of one not for just homeless women but abused women and children. I helped to creat our first shelter in this area. Scrubbed the floors with my own hands!!!! So yes I know all about it. However that takes us down a rabbit trail dosen't it. Because the issue is not about hygiene!!!!!!
The bill states that STD must be included in the sex education to our children for ANY class or course they teach. I am talking here about kids who are 5 years old.
I posted the defination of what an STD is because you don't appear to understand what it is. It's about diseases you get from having SEX!!!!!!! Not needles, not towlet seats but SEX. But how to not get a disease from having SEX!!!!! That my dear is what Obama's bill is about not washing your hands or not sitting on a towlet seat. Learn what we are talking about before you go to extremes trying to defend the bill.
It appears to me that YOU are the one who needs to be educated and you claim to be an educator!!!!
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/12/2008 8:42:11 AM
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Many liberals probably don't really understand exactly what these sex ed programs do.
The ones who create these types of bills and push them certainly do!
Unless of couse we want to believe that Obama did not know what STD means and think it's hygene....of course he didn't know what Rev Wright preached either if you "believe him".
The others blindly follow whatever they are told because they have been brainwashed into thinking the government knows best and surely they did a lot of studies on this topic and surely it's best for our kids....after all they are smarter than "we" are.  We cannot raise our kids without them. We need their help because we are just not too bright.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/12/2008 9:09:08 AM
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The ones who create these types of bills and push them certainly do!
Of course but they certainly are not the majority. I just take umbrage to the idea that liberals cannot be trusted around children. Like they're some sort of sleaze just looking for an opportunity to rid your child of their innocence
If anyone wants to assert that a significant group of people are unfit to be around children because of their political views then that's on them. For my part I couldn't let such a statement go unchallenged whether it was meant as written or just misworded causing it to sound worse than it was supposed to be.
I challenged it and that's that, such a statement, as written, is not worthy of prolonged debate.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/12/2008 9:13:59 AM
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As a matter of FACT I was asked to be the head of one not for just homeless women but abused women and children. I helped to creat our first shelter in this area. Scrubbed the floors with my own hands!!!! So yes I know all about it. However that takes us down a rabbit trail dosen't it. Because the issue is not about hygiene!!!!!!
The bill states that STD must be included in the sex education to our children for ANY class or course they teach. I am talking here about kids who are 5 years old.
I posted the defination of what an STD is because you don't appear to understand what it is. It's about diseases you get from having SEX!!!!!!! Not needles, not towlet seats but SEX. But how to not get a disease from having SEX!!!!! That my dear is what Obama's bill is about not washing your hands or not sitting on a towlet seat. Learn what we are talking about before you go to extremes trying to defend the bill.
It appears to me that YOU are the one who needs to be educated and you claim to be an educator!!!!
Whoa there Nellie.
A.) I'm not pushing the bill.
B.) There is more than one way to transmitt a sexually transmitted disease. It was a point that was not mentioned here until I brought it up.
C.) You having taught sex ed SHOULD know this, as it is a concern that people should KNOW about.
Don't go on the attack as if you are some war hog. Just discuss the issue without having to present yourself as righteous ok? Please.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/12/2008 1:09:52 PM
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Liberals cannot be trusted around children. Too many of them get a kick out of sexualizing them.
Whoa there, I hope you're not saying that liberals are more likely to be pedophiles. I don't agree at all with the liberal position on sex ed but I don't think all liberals agree with the liberal position on sex ed. Just like conservatives don't agree with everything any Republican might say.
Sorry if I misinterpreted (which is likely) but that statement just shocked me. Elaboration may be very productive here but thsat's just my opinion.
Not exactly, but they are more likely to:
- Let pedophiles off with easy punishment (Vermont)
- Expose them to sexual material (Movie, television and musick industry)
- Cover up sexual predators behavior through abortion (Planned Parenthood, etc.)
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/12/2008 1:27:39 PM
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Liberals cannot be trusted around children. Too many of them get a kick out of sexualizing them.
I'm a liberal, so I shouldn't be trusted around children?
If you think:
- Anal intercourse between men is the same as heterosexual intercourse
- Exposing children to sexual material through the media is of little concern
- Sexual mutilation to oneself is normal (transwhatevers)
- Children should be given condoms by the school
- Children should be able to get abortions withouth parental consent
If you believe these things you should not teach health (sex) classes, biology, anatomy, physiology, ethics or Sunday School. You should also not be in school administration or be the school nurse.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/12/2008 1:34:17 PM
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If you think:
- Anal intercourse between men is the same as heterosexual intercourse
- Exposing children to sexual material through the media is of little concern
- Sexual mutilation to oneself is normal (transwhatevers)
- Children should be given condoms by the school
- Children should be able to get abortions withouth parental consent
If you believe these things you should not teach health (sex) classes, biology, anatomy, physiology, ethics or Sunday School. You should also not be in school administration or be the school nurse.
You do realize that there are some that are in favor of sex ed in schools, that DO NOT espouse these ideas?
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/12/2008 1:41:50 PM
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Only liberals can find a context where teaching masturbation is a good thing.
Like I said, and as you unwittingly just confirmed, 'ignoring the context'.
Here's a hint - what's the difference between 'teaching masturbation' and 'reducing behavior that spreads AIDS'?
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/12/2008 7:02:51 PM
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Don't go on the attack as if you are some war hog. Just discuss the issue without having to present yourself as righteous ok? Please.
I didn't detect any self-righteousness, just someone speaking with authority about an issue in which they have extensive experience. This is usually called "wisdom", and you would do well to heed it when you find it.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/12/2008 7:12:29 PM
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I didn't detect any self-righteousness, just someone speaking with authority about an issue in which they have extensive experience. This is usually called "wisdom", and you would do well to heed it when you find it.
Thank you for your uninvited input.
Reread my posts.
I don't call her words wisdom, I call them severely biased to a point of prejudice.
Attacking because you are having problems making your argument isn't wise. It's a poor debate tactic and demonstrates character.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/12/2008 7:27:20 PM
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I didn't detect any self-righteousness, just someone speaking with authority about an issue in which they have extensive experience. This is usually called "wisdom", and you would do well to heed it when you find it.
Thank you for your uninvited input.
Reread my posts.
I don't call her words wisdom, I call them severely biased to a point of prejudice.
Attacking because you are having problems making your argument isn't wise. It's a poor debate tactic and demonstrates character.
Uninvited input.... priceless! Forgive me, O mighty guardian of the thread! I will make sure to ask for your full permission before I DARE post to an open public message board EVER again!
I guess calling someone a "war hog" and self "righteous" is a better way to argue one's point....
Just more evidence that the left operates out of emotion before reason.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/13/2008 1:36:35 AM
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Only liberals can find a context where teaching masturbation is a good thing.
Like I said, and as you unwittingly just confirmed, 'ignoring the context'.
Here's a hint - what's the difference between 'teaching masturbation' and 'reducing behavior that spreads AIDS'?
As Bill Clinton proved, masturbation and behavior that spreads AIDS are not mutually exclusive.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/13/2008 11:46:26 AM
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Whoa there Nellie.
A.) I'm not pushing the bill.
B.) There is more than one way to transmitt a sexually transmitted disease. It was a point that was not mentioned here until I brought it up.
C.) You having taught sex ed SHOULD know this, as it is a concern that people should KNOW about.
1. You are supporting the idea that our young children need sex education in the public schools.
2. Yes there are and yes you did bring it up first.
3. What you don't know is that getting an STD from a towlet seat is extremely rare. So very rare that there is no reason to teach it to young children. No reason at all. In fact it appears to me that maybe the parents need to be educated on this matter. Adults if your child or teenager tells you they got an STD from a towlet seat...you better have a serious talk with they because they are MORE THAN LIKELY either having sex willingly or they have been raped/molested. (it's hard to get an STD from a towlet seat....more likely you behind will be super glued to one than the odds that you will get an STD)
The second way you gave for getting AIDS is by being infected by a needle. Again there is NO reason to teach young children about getting an STD from a needle because they are MORE LIKELY to get (about to mispell this word) hepatitus. No need to discuss a STD at all.
We do not need a law in place that requires for the schools to teach our young children about STD's.
We ALREADY teach our young children basic hygene in the PS system. We teach our children about "germs" we don't need to teach them about VD.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/13/2008 11:47:39 AM
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ManimalX,
Thank you.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/13/2008 12:01:31 PM
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Uninvited input.... priceless! Forgive me, O mighty guardian of the thread! I will make sure to ask for your full permission before I DARE post to an open public message board EVER again!
If you can't take it, don't dish it. You were directly quoting me and speaking directly to me in response to a post written by a member towards me.
You weren't invited to comment on a post that had nothing to do with you.
You do understand that posting on an open forum allows anyone to comment on your post don't you? No invitation required in other words
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/13/2008 12:14:07 PM
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3. What you don't know is that getting an STD from a towlet seat is extremely rare. So very rare that there is no reason to teach it to young children. No reason at all. In fact it appears to me that maybe the parents need to be educated on this matter. Adults if your child or teenager tells you they got an STD from a towlet seat...you better have a serious talk with they because they are MORE THAN LIKELY either having sex willingly or they have been raped/molested. (it's hard to get an STD from a towlet seat....more likely you behind will be super glued to one than the odds that you will get an STD)
Rare? Let me post an example of why the need for education, we will use hepatitis, ALL forms"
Hepatitis A
In children, the most common form of hepatitis is hepatitis A (also called infectious hepatitis). This form is caused by the hepatitis A virus (HAV), which lives in the stools (feces or poop) of infected individuals. Infected stool can be present in small amounts in food and on objects (from doorknobs to diapers).
The hepatitis A virus is spread:
when someone ingests anything that's contaminated with HAV-infected stool (this makes it easy for the virus to spread in overcrowded, unsanitary living conditions)
in water, milk, and foods, especially in shellfish
Because hepatitis A can be a mild infection, particularly in children, it's possible for some people to be unaware that they have had the illness. In fact, although medical tests show that about 40% of urban Americans have had hepatitis A, only about 5% recall being sick. Although the hepatitis A virus can cause prolonged illness up to 6 months, it typically only causes short-lived illnesses and it does not cause chronic liver disease.
Hepatitis B
Hepatitis B (also called serum hepatitis) is caused by the hepatitis B virus (HBV). HBV can cause a wide spectrum of symptoms ranging from general malaise to chronic liver disease that can lead to liver cancer.
The hepatitis B virus spreads through:
ecteid body fluids, such as blood, saliva, semen, vaginal fluids, tears, and urine
a contaminated blood transfusion (uncommon in the United States)
shared contaminated needles or syringes for injecting drugs
sexual activity with an HBV-infected person
transmission from HBV-infected mothers to their newborn babies
Hepatitis C
The hepatitis C virus (HCV) is spread by direct contact with an infected person's blood. The symptoms of the hepatitis C virus can be very similar to those of the hepatitis A and B viruses. However, infection with the hepatitis C virus can lead to chronic liver disease and is the leading reason for liver transplant in the United States.
The hepatitis C virus can be spread by:
sharing drug needles
getting a tattoo or body piercing with unsterilized tools
blood transfusions (especially ones that occurred before 1992; since then the U.S. blood supply has been routinely screened for the disease)
transmission from mother to newborn
sexual contact (although this is less common)
Hepatitis C is also a common threat in kidney dialysis centers. Rarely, people living with an infected person can contract the disease by sharing items that might contain that person's blood, such as razors or toothbrushes.
Considering the risks, children should be educated on these things. I'm not so sure how imperative it is to K-4, but by the time 5th and beyond, yes I do believe they should be getting this education. Everyday children are becoming sexually active at younger and younger ages. Prevention through education is the key, in my opinion.
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/13/2008 12:29:08 PM
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3. What you don't know is that getting an STD from a towlet seat is extremely rare. So very rare that there is no reason to teach it to young children. No reason at all. In fact it appears to me that maybe the parents need to be educated on this matter. Adults if your child or teenager tells you they got an STD from a towlet seat...you better have a serious talk with they because they are MORE THAN LIKELY either having sex willingly or they have been raped/molested. (it's hard to get an STD from a towlet seat....more likely you behind will be super glued to one than the odds that you will get an STD)
Rare? Let me post an example of why the need for education, we will use hepatitis, ALL forms"
Hepatitis A
In children, the most common form of hepatitis is hepatitis A (also called infectious hepatitis). This form is caused by the hepatitis A virus (HAV), which lives in the stools (feces or poop) of infected individuals. Infected stool can be present in small amounts in food and on objects (from doorknobs to diapers).
The hepatitis A virus is spread:
when someone ingests anything that's contaminated with HAV-infected stool (this makes it easy for the virus to spread in overcrowded, unsanitary living conditions)
in water, milk, and foods, especially in shellfish
Because hepatitis A can be a mild infection, particularly in children, it's possible for some people to be unaware that they have had the illness. In fact, although medical tests show that about 40% of urban Americans have had hepatitis A, only about 5% recall being sick. Although the hepatitis A virus can cause prolonged illness up to 6 months, it typically only causes short-lived illnesses and it does not cause chronic liver disease.
I can see where little kids might be able to pass Hep A amongst themselves but that doesn't make it an STD
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Hepatitis B
Hepatitis B (also called serum hepatitis) is caused by the hepatitis B virus (HBV). HBV can cause a wide spectrum of symptoms ranging from general malaise to chronic liver disease that can lead to liver cancer.
The hepatitis B virus spreads through:
ecteid body fluids, such as blood, saliva, semen, vaginal fluids, tears, and urine
a contaminated blood transfusion (uncommon in the United States)
shared contaminated needles or syringes for injecting drugs
sexual activity with an HBV-infected person
transmission from HBV-infected mothers to their newborn babies
Unless there are gradeschool aged children engaging in sexual activity or shooting up with dirty needles I fail to see the rationale behind "sharing" this information with them. They won't come into contact it in a school setting
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Hepatitis C
The hepatitis C virus (HCV) is spread by direct contact with an infected person's blood. The symptoms of the hepatitis C virus can be very similar to those of the hepatitis A and B viruses. However, infection with the hepatitis C virus can lead to chronic liver disease and is the leading reason for liver transplant in the United States.
The hepatitis C virus can be spread by:
sharing drug needles
getting a tattoo or body piercing with unsterilized tools
blood transfusions (especially ones that occurred before 1992; since then the U.S. blood supply has been routinely screened for the disease)
transmission from mother to newborn
sexual contact (although this is less common)
Hepatitis C is also a common threat in kidney dialysis centers. Rarely, people living with an infected person can contract the disease by sharing items that might contain that person's blood, such as razors or toothbrushes.
NONE of these take place in a school setting and I think the key point is highlighted above so if we just tell the kids not to touch any blood that should be sufficient to prevent infection and it would cover out of school time as well
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Considering the risks, children should be educated on these things. I'm not so sure how imperative it is to K-4, but by the time 5th and beyond, yes I do believe they should be getting this education. Everyday children are becoming sexually active at younger and younger ages. Prevention through education is the key, in my opinion.
In my opinion education has been the major cause of the rise in STD's and teen pregnancy over the past 30 years
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RE: The Slime Is Getting Thick - McCain "Education... - 9/13/2008 12:36:28 PM
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I fail to see the rationale behind "sharing" this information with them. They won't come into contact it in a school setting
It doesn't have to be at school, this could be in their very own home, a public restroom, a playground.....
So they're going to be engaging in sexual activity or shooting up at home? If so then there are greater problems than sex ed in school! And those problems don't justify the sex-ed in my opinion.
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