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RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The ... - 9/8/2008 4:34:45 PM
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RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The ... - 9/8/2008 4:40:39 PM
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We haven't seen selfish yet. After all, it is already being displayed with McCain. There has been older people than him running corporations. If we want to get biblical. Moses died fit at I think eighty. Don't quote me, but he was very old.
We haven't seen selfish yet. After all, it is already being displayed with McCain. Meaning the youth do not respect his wisdom of living. They proclaim he is too old. This reminds me of the story of the young man who became king at a young age in the old testament who sought the advice of his young friends instead of the elders. The wrong arrogant advice they gave him on how to run the kingdom, eventually the people rebelled and destroy him.
This country is doing the same thing, they do not respect the experience of life that McCain has live... the wisdom of choosing someone like Palin who is a doer and not just a talker. People what change... change is evidence of something occuring. What change has Obama shown... there is evidence of what Palin has done. Therefore, Wise Old McCain made a great choice.
Remember there have been older people than him running corporations. If we want to get biblical. Moses died fit at I think eighty. Don't quote me, but he was very old.
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RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The ... - 9/8/2008 5:21:02 PM
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So, the government (we the people) should simply take a hands off view of suicide, drug abuse and prostitution?
If we begin to see those things as rights, I see no reason why we should do things differently than the Netherlands.
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Jesus Christ is God Almighty, he created the process by which a human is reproduced. It's called conception. The battle between pro-abortion and pro-life was NOT initiated by those that are pro-life. That simply was the historical given until the pro-abortion crowd made it a fight. Those who consider abortion a "right" have staked out their ground against the Creator God and elevated their own selves above God. Our giving in to their way of thinking would never change their view of God. it would only confirm to them their 'rightness'.
Why stop at conception? Why not start with the formation of the egg and the sperm? Or how about before that? Are people who choose to stay abstinent murderers?
You may choose to define human life as DNA. What if a woman wants to avoid having identical twins? What methods of stopping that from happening (prevent the splitting of the embryo, or aborting one of the embryos) would constitute murder, if any? If we manage to turn one embryo into two identical twins ourselves and then abort one, is that murder?
A better and more manageable way of looking at it- rather than picking an arbitrary point- is to get an indication from science and reason. There's a two week period that happens between the first trimester and second where the embryo's cells specialize and form brain cells, and the embryo becomes a fetus. All of a sudden, it looks human.
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Did you miss the part about the abortion rights group wanting the government to FUND abortions? It's not just about 'freedom' of a woman's body. It's also about paying for a woman's choice. And, you probably missed the part obout the government controlling a child's body with forcing innoculations that may or may not be harmful. They also force people coming into this country to have certain shots.
The abortion funding issue is irrelevant to Roe vs. Wade.
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Again, the reason for your position is that the very foundations of your theological understanding are seriously flawed. To ask a question like "Or is it only harmful to an embryo?" shows a profound disrespect for the creative work of God in an individual's life. And, to equate humanity with 'brain cells' is just plain heresy in any but the most liberal of theological histories.
What about all those verses that say a soul is fully capable of sin and love (Ezekiel 18, Micah 6:7, Luke 10,27)? I thought sin involves a decision to rebel against God. How can you decide if you don't have brain cells? They are distinct, yet your soul isn't here on earth if you don't have brain cells.
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Your god, I'm afraid, is too small and is only big enough to conform to your intellectual physical understanding. There seems to be no place for the SOUL in your view of what is human.
That's a shame.
Hmmm. It appears you do not recognize that there is a connection between the spiritual and physical world; that the two are not distinct and separate all of the time.
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RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The ... - 9/9/2008 9:29:13 AM
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It's interesting to me to hear the pro lifers refer to God's word as the foundation of their belief and yet turn around and ignore His Sovereignty.
God knew us before we were born.
He also knew if we were going to be aborted.
He also knows what plans He has for you, and you and you and you and you..........
I don't believe that He is necessarily pro choice, but He is PRO ETERNAL LIFE.
An abortion will not keep a person from entering into His rest.
Pro choice is just that a choice, just as it it a choice to choose Him to be our Savior.
Every action has a consequence, whether it be good or bad.
God is just. Forgiveness is His modus operandi 
We, as Christians do Him a great injustice by pronouncing that we claim to know Him and spout terrible things at the ones who consider abortion or actually go through it.
How about love and compassion, a listening ear, welcoming arms and actually letting Jesus be proclaimed through you?
If we did more acting like Him rather than trying to read His mind and produce a judgment He hasn't even issued yet, we might actually get somewhere with this great debate.
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RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The ... - 9/9/2008 12:38:50 PM
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Why stop at conception? Why not start with the formation of the egg and the sperm? Or how about before that? Are people who choose to stay abstinent murderers?
You may choose to define human life as DNA. What if a woman wants to avoid having identical twins? What methods of stopping that from happening (prevent the splitting of the embryo, or aborting one of the embryos) would constitute murder, if any? If we manage to turn one embryo into two identical twins ourselves and then abort one, is that murder?
A better and more manageable way of looking at it- rather than picking an arbitrary point- is to get an indication from science and reason. There's a two week period that happens between the first trimester and second where the embryo's cells specialize and form brain cells, and the embryo becomes a fetus. All of a sudden, it looks human.
blessedinnyc,
God provided us with examples of how things should be. To present such an extremist argument serves no purpose. Conception is a union of sperm and egg just as marriage is a union of two souls. Conception is the point at which a life begins. There are babies born with no cognizance. Should they be killed? After all, they cannot think and reason enough to be self-sufficient. The point is not arbitrary. Society makes it arbitrary for the sake of convenience.
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RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The ... - 9/9/2008 4:36:22 PM
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Just a question - would you mind defining 'slander' (being a written medium, it's actually 'libel')?
thank you ...  for that insight... I was expecting your usual spin.
Quite all right - just wondering how ANYBODY can make the very loud accusation of 'slander' - it's right there in the headline, see? - if they can't define the term.
Thanks for proving the point.
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RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The ... - 9/17/2008 4:32:37 AM
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Just want your opinion. It is amazing how some forum members are now
regular members in less than 40 days??? Do you think their main objective is to get Christians to chose a canidate (Obama) based on economic fear, rather than a canidate (McCain/Palin) based upon moral values (pro Life, etc...)? Better yet. Are they gathering information on how they can manipulate Christian values, therefore, manipulating their vote through getting them to compromise their stance on moral values for a better tomorrow... hopes based upon smooth empty words of an eloquent speaker without a plan? As in Conversing,Convincing and then getting the listener to Change by doubting righteous convictions and calling good evil (like the serpent convince Eve to doubt God... through smooth speech)?
Yes Or No... Please give your opinion.
This is not to slander Sara Palin , however her brand of Christianity is not my cup of tea.From what I have read of her actions perpetrated upon others I cannot agree that she represents the teachings of Jesus. Instead of a lengthly statement , I will just say WATCH OUT FOR THE WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING WEARING LIPSTICK!!
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RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The ... - 9/17/2008 8:15:14 PM
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Probably. But I think this happens all the time in every election.
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ORIGINAL: JerrynDolli
Just want your opinion. It is amazing how some forum members are now
regular members in less than 40 days??? Do you think their main objective is to get Christians to chose a canidate (Obama) based on economic fear, rather than a canidate (McCain/Palin) based upon moral values (pro Life, etc...)? Better yet. Are they gathering information on how they can manipulate Christian values, therefore, manipulating their vote through getting them to compromise their stance on moral values for a better tomorrow... hopes based upon smooth empty words of an eloquent speaker without a plan? As in Conversing,Convincing and then getting the listener to Change by doubting righteous convictions and calling good evil (like the serpent convince Eve to doubt God... through smooth speech)?
Yes Or No... Please give your opinion.
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RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The ... - 9/24/2008 10:36:16 AM
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Nope, I surely don't think so. I think you may have more people participating than before because of the tone the board has taken in the election forum. There are some harsh comments directed at people about their faith and morals when they disagree with another... very weird to see on a Christian site all the time. And btw who's to say that one party is more of a Christian than the other?... last time I checked, there's lies and malicious things being done and have been done over many years by both that aren't of God's teachings... but I digress...
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RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The ... - 9/24/2008 6:41:30 PM
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Yeah, I think we've seen a lot of liberals and CINOs over here the past few weeks, but I don't think it's anything organized or pre-planned. I think it's simply a matter of what occurs every election cycle. Like the above poster, it's a bit disconcerting to see Christians on these threads trumpeting the worth of blatantly un-Biblical positions, but the Word is clear about the last days being unaccountably strange. I guess this is simply part of that.
On another note, there are quite a few Obama supporters where I work, and haven't been ashamed about saying so. They've only asked me a couple of times who I'm voting for (McCain/Palin, for those who care), and when they do, I simply tell them it's a not a workplace topic. That seemed to settle it.
But over the past couple of weeks their vocal support has changed. It's taken on a strident--even desperate--tone, as if there's been a disturbance in the Force. I have no idea what caused it, but I'm seeing and hearing it more amd more, not only at work, but at other places around town. It could just be a localized phenomenon, but...I don't think so. It's like his people are sensing something, and are sniffing deeply, and don't like what's being borne along on the air. At all.
Ain't politics weird?
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RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The ... - 10/6/2008 4:31:56 PM
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This is not to slander Sara Palin , however her brand of Christianity is not my cup of tea.From what I have read of her actions perpetrated upon others I cannot agree that she represents the teachings of Jesus. Instead of a lengthly statement , I will just say WATCH OUT FOR THE WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING WEARING LIPSTICK!!
Sara Palin is another self-righteous, hypocritical Christian. When asked by Katie Couric about her pro-life stance she said that "individual states should decide" and that she feels "personally" that is wrong. Not that it is objectively wrong. She used a subjective argument because she is kissing the Clinton women's gluts and she knows that too tough of a pro-life stance will alienate them.
That's what I am tired of these "pro-life" politicians. They talk and scream "pro-life" from the mountaintops but when it comes to any political/legal actions to END abortion (and I am not talking just doing the minimum and "limiting" its funding). There are 6 out of 9 SCOTUS justices appointed by "pro-life" Presidents but not one Attorney General for these "pro-life" Presidents have brought forth one suit in the SCOTUS to END ABORTION! They just play the "pro-life" card at every election knowing that none of these brainwashed people will ever hold them accountable for any action! "Just say you're pro-life and that is good enough for me!"
IMO, neither candidate is truly pro-life and therefore that issue is moot when it comes to choosing a candidate anymore!
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RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The ... - 10/23/2008 10:30:02 AM
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Just want your opinion. It is amazing how some forum members are now
regular members in less than 40 days???
~Dolli
yes ... same thing happened with that wacko racist republican running in the primary that had a dedicated group on the internet ...
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RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The ... - 10/27/2008 12:54:08 AM
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We laid hands on her abdomen and dedicated that baby back to the Lord.
An incredibly moving statement as what followed it as well. Sounds like a mature loving christian family...something the left hates.
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We normally should only pass laws if we can prove that a behavior is harmful. Is abortion harmful to an actual person? Or is it only harmful to an embryo? There may be enough basis to prevent 2nd-term abortions when the embryo becomes a fetus with brain cells (which may very well constitute a person), but second-term abortions are extremely rare in the first place.
You..were an embryo. Nuff said.
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If we begin to see those things as rights, I see no reason why we should do things differently than the Netherlands.
Suicide, drugs and prostitution are rights? They are rights. Rights. Well, please explain what rights are. I am afriad our definitions differ.
Rights? ( said like Coach Mora said...playoffs??? )
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Why not start with the formation of the egg and the sperm?
Pretty easy. At conception there is a dna recombination that signifies an individual being created. Each cell on its own is just a cell. When they combine, at conception, a new being is created. Individually, each gamete is only the material used for conception, not conception in of itself.
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There's a two week period that happens between the first trimester and second where the embryo's cells specialize and form brain cells, and the embryo becomes a fetus. All of a sudden, it looks human.
This is not reasoning. Its an excuse....and what it excuses is....very bad.
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The abortion funding issue is irrelevant to Roe vs. Wade.
The government funding abortion places responsibility for that act upon taxpayers. As one, I would prefer my hands not to have that blood on my hands.
As to the actual topic.....Palin has been villified in ways I have never seen a vp candidate villified. In my presalvation days, and if Palin was a man, I would suggest she find these accusers and make them step outside for a round or two.
Its truly disgusting...and hypocritical of the left who cry McCain and his followers are negative.
I haven't heard anything theological from Palin. To me being anti-abortion and not for the homosexual agendas makes someone in agreement with christian principles and since I am not eleting a pastor here, just a presidential ticket that agrees more with my beliefs than their opponents.
Abortion and homosexual agendas are not christian and cannot be. These are not little issues and the support of these issues by the left disqualifies them for my vote. 100%. These issues color and define every other issue expressed by a politician.
You cannot support abortion and support children charities.
You cannot support the homosexual agendas and support a pro-family position.
It goes on and on.....and......these issues also color one's relationship with the Lord. I believe you can believe some messed up things and be saved so its not salvation I am talking about. Its more about maturity.
I don't care about being right or having others agree with me. I worry about how my brethern represent Christ ( and I am NOT perfect in this either..no, no ) and how their relationship with our Father is.
Take all the politics out. Take all the differences out. Fact is, we are family and its uncomfortable to see loved ones distancing themselves from God.
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RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The ... - 11/6/2008 5:06:48 PM
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It's interesting to me to hear the pro lifers refer to God's word as the foundation of their belief and yet turn around and ignore His Sovereignty.
God knew us before we were born.
He also knew if we were going to be aborted.
He also knows what plans He has for you, and you and you and you and you..........
I don't believe that He is necessarily pro choice, but He is PRO ETERNAL LIFE.
An abortion will not keep a person from entering into His rest.
Pro choice is just that a choice, just as it it a choice to choose Him to be our Savior.
Every action has a consequence, whether it be good or bad.
God is just. Forgiveness is His modus operandi
We, as Christians do Him a great injustice by pronouncing that we claim to know Him and spout terrible things at the ones who consider abortion or actually go through it.
How about love and compassion, a listening ear, welcoming arms and actually letting Jesus be proclaimed through you?
If we did more acting like Him rather than trying to read His mind and produce a judgment He hasn't even issued yet, we might actually get somewhere with this great debate.
AMEN!!!
Excellent points.
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RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The ... - 11/6/2008 5:15:50 PM
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I'm pro-Obama, but am by no means a mole. I have said some negative things about Sarah Palin, but not because of her beliefs, but because nothing in her speeches indicated she was about change, but about keeping on with what Bush was doing. I believe McCain made a bad choice of running mate, and would have preferred to see Romney with him instead. Had McCain gone with Romney, I'd have voted for McCain..
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RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The ... - 11/19/2008 10:13:05 AM
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It's interesting to me to hear the pro lifers refer to God's word as the foundation of their belief and yet turn around and ignore His Sovereignty.
God knew us before we were born.
He also knew if we were going to be aborted.
He also knows what plans He has for you, and you and you and you and you..........
I don't believe that He is necessarily pro choice, but He is PRO ETERNAL LIFE.
An abortion will not keep a person from entering into His rest.
Pro choice is just that a choice, just as it it a choice to choose Him to be our Savior.
Every action has a consequence, whether it be good or bad.
God is just. Forgiveness is His modus operandi
We, as Christians do Him a great injustice by pronouncing that we claim to know Him and spout terrible things at the ones who consider abortion or actually go through it.
How about love and compassion, a listening ear, welcoming arms and actually letting Jesus be proclaimed through you?
If we did more acting like Him rather than trying to read His mind and produce a judgment He hasn't even issued yet, we might actually get somewhere with this great debate.
God also knew the 4 year old would be starved to death and abused by his grandmother.
Do you suggest that we treat that woman the way you suggest we treat a woman who aborts a child and not be busy taking the other three children from that home who are starving?
Here is God's instruction for His Children and what actions we are to take when it comes to those who are going to have their blood shed innocently.
Proverbs 24:11-12
11 Rescue those who are unjustly sentenced to death; don't stand back and let them die. 12 Don't try to avoid responsibility by saying you didn't know about it. For God knows all hearts, and he sees you. He keeps watch over your soul, and he knows you knew! And he will judge all people according to what they have done.
Believe it or not if a Christian loves God and others with all thier heart, soul and mind they "will" obey this command. They "know" that only God can define what true love is.
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RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The ... - 11/19/2008 10:24:40 AM
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blessedinnyc,
God provided us with examples of how things should be. To present such an extremist argument serves no purpose. Conception is a union of sperm and egg just as marriage is a union of two souls. Conception is the point at which a life begins. There are babies born with no cognizance. Should they be killed? After all, they cannot think and reason enough to be self-sufficient. The point is not arbitrary. Society makes it arbitrary for the sake of convenience.
Wes,
What some people who argue so greatly for pro choice don't realize is it is "them" that society is planning to one day do away with because they are incapable of feeding the machine of the government. They are making their own arguments for their own death sentence.
I don't expect them to realize this until the discussion turns to their own "life line" being pulled.
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RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The ... - 11/19/2008 3:24:13 PM
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I'm pro-Obama, but am by no means a mole. I have said some negative things about Sarah Palin, but not because of her beliefs, but because nothing in her speeches indicated she was about change, but about keeping on with what Bush was doing. I believe McCain made a bad choice of running mate, and would have preferred to see Romney with him instead. Had McCain gone with Romney, I'd have voted for McCain..
If McCain chose Romney, at the end of the day the GOP might have won. Having him on the team would have helped significantly when questions of the economic crisis came up.
Palin's choice was a ploy to grab Hillary voters and satisfy Conservatives. McCain's camp had no real confidence in her. They tried to keep her away from the press as much as possible up to the point that it became a problem.
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RE: Do You Think Moles (Pro Obama's) Voters Are In The ... - 11/19/2008 3:54:57 PM
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I'm pro-Obama, but am by no means a mole. I have said some negative things about Sarah Palin, but not because of her beliefs, but because nothing in her speeches indicated she was about change, but about keeping on with what Bush was doing. I believe McCain made a bad choice of running mate, and would have preferred to see Romney with him instead. Had McCain gone with Romney, I'd have voted for McCain..
Was Biden the choice of "change"? And would Romney be a choice of "change"? And what about Romney would make you change a vote from Obama to McCain?
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