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RE: Britney????????? - 9/9/2008 9:25:58 PM
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This all started with me...
No, this all started, as Hayseed was explaining, becasue some want to blame others for the mess Britney has made of her life. Some of us just won't swallow that kind of malarky. We also aren't cowed by the incorrect admonition and judgement "don't judge". Saying the emporer has no clothes doesn't mean we don't care that he's naked. It just means we don't follow the crowd when it says and believes stupid things.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/10/2008 5:50:51 AM
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Yeah, and he may get a little cold if he doesn't put a coat on. lol
Is it necessary to point out the wrong people do by talking about it all the time? The bible tells us not to gossip or make rash judgments. If you read 1Cor. 5:12 we are to deal with open sin in the church or a person who claims to be a christian and sins without remorse. The church is to confront and discipline the person in love. So I guess my saying that I shouldn't judge, I was basting mine on people in general who are sinners like I am and I can't complain about what they do. I wasn't thinking I guess of those individuals within the church and the responsibilities we have there.
I agree with Hayseed, that we aren't responsible for the decisions people make after all we have free will right? and have to make our own choices. People do enable others in their decisions and should be accountable for their part. I certainly don't want to be a stumbling block for someone else. Media and society do not help with constantly focusing on the negative, after all it wouldn't be news would it if we started focusing on the positive, people do.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/10/2008 6:39:49 AM
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So if you lived in The Third Reich you'd just focus on how great the Autobon is?
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/10/2008 6:45:46 AM
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The song and the lyrics is good. It was nice of Bebo Norman to do the song for her. She might have messed up her life or career but I think she's having a come back soon. Its never late for her to fix things up. I've read and heard a lot of negative write-ups or issues about her and I have also seen in news how messed up she was. I know it is somehow true but I don't neglect the idea that the press people are most of the times exaggerated. If Britney have messed up her life, I don't want to hate her. Everyone gets messed up, that's life. The only difference is that she's a celebrity.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/10/2008 7:05:07 AM
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So if you lived in The Third Reich you'd just focus on how great the Autobon is?
I'm talking about how people complain when people do wrong and no credit is giving to when they do right.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/10/2008 7:28:08 AM
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I'm talking about how people complain when people do wrong and no credit is giving to when they do right.
Yeah, I'm following your logic. Do you really believe what you're saying? If so, then should we focus more on the good Hitler did in building the Autobon and stop harping on the six million Jews he slaughtered?
By the way, what "good" has Britney done?
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/10/2008 9:38:05 AM
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Gossip is one thing. Having publicity agents to put your name out in front of millions of people is another.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/10/2008 10:39:11 AM
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By the way, what "good" has Britney done?
Now that is the million dollar question. She hasn't gotten a lotof "good" press but she does get too much press! 
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/10/2008 6:17:35 PM
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I'm talking about how people complain when people do wrong and no credit is giving to when they do right.
Yeah, I'm following your logic. Do you really believe what you're saying? If so, then should we focus more on the good Hitler did in building the Autobon and stop harping on the six million Jews he slaughtered?
By the way, what "good" has Britney done?
So do you want me to start complaining about how Hitler and all those who assisted him were responsible for the massacre? Should I start complaining about every wrong thing that has ever been done and not talk about any good at all? I believe I've been trying to make a point about what's going on with Brittany. As far as Brittany doing good does the media ever talk about anything good when it comes to celebrities? Very little. I believe God knows Brittany's heart better than we do. We don't know everything that she has done only what the media tells us. So what are you saying by asking a question like what good has Brittany done?
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/10/2008 9:40:22 PM
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So do you want me to start complaining about how Hitler and all those who assisted him were responsible for the massacre? Should I start complaining about every wrong thing that has ever been done and not talk about any good at all?
Look it was your point that peoples bad behavior should be ignored and their good behavior highlighted. The Hitler reference just shows how inane that view is.
As far as "complaining" goes, I'm not sure how many Jews you hang around with, but there aren't too many who consider the Holocaust something to be complained about. It's remembered and highlighted in the hope that the near extinction of an entire race will not be repeated. It's a free country. You don't need my permission to wear rose colored glasses, however.
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So what are you saying by asking a question like what good has Brittany done?
Again, it's your point that Britney's good deeds should be focused on. Since this is the view you are putting forward, I'm just asking what those things are that you said we should be looking at.
Incidentally, the whole thing about her vast quantities of good works not being covered by the media is a total crock. Celebrities do good works all the time and the media is all over it (ex. Oprah's private school in Africa, the Jerry Lewis telethon, etc.).
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/10/2008 11:08:53 PM
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Incidentally, the whole thing about her vast quantities of good works not being covered by the media is a total crock. Celebrities do good works all the time and the media is all over it (ex. Oprah's private school in Africa, the Jerry Lewis telethon, etc.).
I agree, the media is all over anything celebrity related, good and bad. It just appears that celebs get a bad rap because negative stories fascinate the public and therefore get more reporting so i get why people believe that. Also I'm sure there are some celebs that do good work and don't publicize it.
I'm surprised this discussion has gone on so long. No offense to her but has Britney done anything relevant as an entertainer in the last few years? Isn't she just famous now because she was famous 5-10 years ago and has gotten pub for behaving badly rather than anything she has done as an entertainer? Has she made any lasting artistic contributions to music or movies. This isn't a comment on Britney but rather on a celeb obsessed society that borders on the ridiculous.
While I don't care for her entertainment work I do wish her the best as a human being. I'm no better than her, I've made better choices but that's mostly God's grace. At best I had very little to do with it*. Less publicity would be helpful to her.
* I realize saying I had nothing to do with it would sound better and more humble but I see no reason why God would allow Britney to fall into this abyss but keep me from it. I'm no more special than she (or less special if it comes to that). But I do know that without God I'm hopeless, period.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/11/2008 6:12:55 AM
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Incidentally, the whole thing about her vast quantities of good works not being covered by the media is a total crock. Celebrities do good works all the time and the media is all over it (ex. Oprah's private school in Africa, the Jerry Lewis telethon, etc.).
I agree, the media is all over anything celebrity related, good and bad. It just appears that celebs get a bad rap because negative stories fascinate the public and therefore get more reporting so i get why people believe that. Also I'm sure there are some celebs that do good work and don't publicize it.
Rufas this is what I was trying to say, when I said focusing on the negative. What did the focus turn to after this thread started?
You all have made some good points, but I don't think I was saying that we should only talk about good things people do and ignore the poor choices I'm saying that people in general focus on the negative. Maybe I should have used the word obsess? I'm not talking about the people on this thread, I'm talking about people who have access to tv, radio, internet, news etc. and thrive on this type of stuff. I haven't heard anyone say anything good about Brittany. It's sad that the media are just waiting for her to fall again so they have something more to talk about.
As I said before, I don't know what good work she has done, MusicianDad, the media as far as I know hasn't reported that, and since I don't know her personally... Your point about the Jews I thought you were talking about Hitler and what he did. I was replying to that.
I've given up trying to explain myself, since I don't want to keep going on about this. I'm sorry if you have misunderstood what I was trying to say, and hopefully have not offended anyone.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/11/2008 7:25:21 AM
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I'm surprised this discussion has gone on so long. No offense to her but has Britney done anything relevant as an entertainer in the last few years?
None, taken. No, she's done nothing notable, with the exception of contributing to a general rise in smuttiness. The reason this has gone on so long, as far as I'm concerned, is the fact that when several of us pointed this out, we were called judgemental and Pharisaical. That does rub me the wrong way and I think that kind screwball thinking needs to be stood up to.
By the way, I agree with you regarding the grace of God. As I said earlier, if not for His grace, I'd be doing something(s) just as stupid as the stuff Britney does all the time.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/11/2008 7:35:08 AM
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I'm surprised this discussion has gone on so long. No offense to her but has Britney done anything relevant as an entertainer in the last few years?
None, taken. No, she's done nothing notable, with the exception of contributing to a general rise in smuttiness. The reason this has gone on so long, as far as I'm concerned, is the fact that when several of us pointed this out, we were called judgemental and Pharisaical. That does rub me the wrong way and I think that kind screwball thinking needs to be stood up to.
By the way, I agree with you regarding the grace of God. As I said earlier, if not for His grace, I'd be doing something(s) just as stupid as the stuff Britney does all the time.
I used the judgement term not as an attack against anyone sorry you felt that way and I'm hurt that you think my way of thinking is screwball.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/11/2008 8:17:28 AM
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Hey one good thing Britney's done is that she hasn't killed 6 million jews! 
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/11/2008 9:21:21 AM
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I'm talking about how people complain when people do wrong and no credit is giving to when they do right. Yeah, I'm following your logic. Do you really believe what you're saying? If so, then should we focus more on the good Hitler did in building the Autobon and stop harping on the six million Jews he slaughtered? Not the same at all. Britney is a young kid who messed her life up by being too popular and having too much $$ before she was mature enough to handle it. She had no plans for world domination, mass genocide, etc.
OTOH, Hitler [may his name be blotted out] was old enough to know better, and was evil incarnate.
This is not apples and oranges; it is more like apples and jackhammers.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/11/2008 9:31:48 AM
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I'm talking about how people complain when people do wrong and no credit is giving to when they do right. Yeah, I'm following your logic. Do you really believe what you're saying? If so, then should we focus more on the good Hitler did in building the Autobon and stop harping on the six million Jews he slaughtered? Not the same at all. Britney is a young kid who messed her life up by being too popular and having too much $$ before she was mature enough to handle it. She had no plans for world domination, mass genocide, etc.
OTOH, Hitler [may his name be blotted out] was old enough to know better, and was evil incarnate.
This is not apples and oranges; it is more like apples and jackhammers.
It's more like tack hammer and pile driver. Hitler was a young kid at one point too. Hitler was not evil incarnate. He was a human being who let his own nature run wild instead of being changed by Gods grace. This is the same thing that Britney is doing (IMO). Britney is an adult and mother, by the way, not some teenie bopper.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/11/2008 12:32:50 PM
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Well, many of us don't even classify what Britney does as "music."
In all of this, though, I have more of a problem with a lame (musically) "Christian" musician getting on his moral-self-righteous high horse and writing and publishing a song wagging his finger in people's faces on a subject he doesn't even have a clue about.
Like Bruce Springsteen capitalized on the 9/11 tragedy to make a "comeback" in his career with a lame album (but of course nobody can criticize him because of the subject matter), Bebo has capitalized on Britney's wreck to put a song out and get publicity.
I think Bebo Norman needs to be sat down by somebody have a talking to.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/11/2008 1:41:17 PM
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She has just become the poster child for sensationalism in this country. It is sad that we focus so much on this one person who little if anything to do with the world and the issues that it faces. I say lets stop talking about her and redirect all of this energy, time, and resources to worthy causes. Just my 2 cents.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/11/2008 8:11:50 PM
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Well, many of us don't even classify what Britney does as "music."
Lol! Yeah, what he said.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/12/2008 6:42:23 AM
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Well, many of us don't even classify what Britney does as "music." I would be included in that crowd. But I would NEVER put her in the same class as a mass murderer.
(BTW, in the day I personally knew 2 serial killers....)
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/12/2008 6:55:36 AM
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Britney is 26?
Kieth Green was 28 when died in a plane crash.
wow!! to look at the 2 lives and compare.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/12/2008 9:02:24 AM
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Well, many of us don't even classify what Britney does as "music." I would be included in that crowd. But I would NEVER put her in the same class as a mass murderer.
She's not in a class with mass murderers. The point was made that it's wrong to focus on the wrong that people do and that only the good should be highlighted. If that's true, we should be able to look at the worst person imaginable (Hitler), ignore the wrong that he did, look only at his good deeds, and come up with an even handed evaluation of his impact on society. The Hitler reference was just to show how unworkable and utterly inane that viewpoint is. It comes straight from the "leave Britney alone, whaa whaa" video mindset.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/12/2008 9:03:58 AM
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I say lets stop talking about her and redirect all of this energy, time, and resources to worthy causes. Just my 2 cents.
I'm always puzzled when somebody advises otheres to do something that they are not doing.
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