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RE: Automobiles: Which car is more reliable? - 11/30/2008 2:50:04 PM
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RustedGears
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This thread seems to have run its course, but to anyone facing the same dilemma.....
Do some research,find out what manufacturer has produced a reliable vehicle with a proven track record for a long period of time. Generally, stay away from the first two years a new model is introduced as it takes time to work out the "bugs"....things that don't function well, design flaws, etc.
As an example, between 1982 and 1994 I owned three different Chevy Novas...a '67, a '70, and a '75. All three had straight six engines,(194c.i. 230c.i. and 250c.i.,which all share the same engine block). My total expenditure for ALL 3 cars was $1100....AND, I drove those cars a total of 12 years.
And they got good gas mileage at a time when gas was considered "cheap". They weren't trailer queens, but they were DEPENDABLE!!!!
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RE: Automobiles: Which car is more reliable? - 12/19/2008 6:03:13 PM
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Don675
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I bought my first HONDA accord in 1995 and we owned until 2002
with 175,000 miles on it-an excellent vehicle and very reliable-we sold
it for 4000 dollars. Bought a 2002 honda oddyssey van when we sold
the accord.The van has 190,000 miles on it and it has been a very
reliable vehicle also comfortable to ride in on long trips.
Bought a 2005 toyota tundra truck and it has 50,000 miles on it.It is
very reliable and my friends comment on how well it rides on the
highway.
The two vehicles were assembled in the USA by american labor. Some
of the suppliers i am sure are from the USA.
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RE: Automobiles: Which car is more reliable? - 12/20/2008 12:11:44 AM
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I bought my first HONDA accord in 1995 and we owned until 2002
with 175,000 miles on it-an excellent vehicle and very reliable-we sold
it for 4000 dollars.
Same here! I had a 1995 Accord with 198,000 mile, sold it in 2002 for $3000. Also had a 1994 Passport with 130,000 miles. Being a 4X4 I sold it for a bit more. Almost wish I had kept the Accord, it ran fine. But we were in middle of moving, I had a new truck, and didn't want to pay insurance on 4 autos for 2 people.
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RE: Automobiles: Which car is more reliable? - 12/22/2008 7:19:30 PM
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BMW: I bought a used beemer 7 series in 2003, way inexpensive, apparently BMW's don't have good resale value.... anyway, within a month, had to have $ 3,000 of work done on the car....
Mercedes: Have a C series. So far, pretty much bulletproof....
Honda Civic(06): Shoddy workmanship and gas mileage wasn't as advertised...
Honda CRV mini SUV: Gas hungry and seats are like sitting on rocks.
Volvo: Friend had one, transmission blew at 50k miles... apparently a problem with Volvo's.
Buy Asian... There are no guarantee's...but, Toyota, Honda(Accord), Nissan etc.
rofaith
I'm a Mazda fan. My first car was a '97 Protege' (built in Hiroshima). That little car lasted for 10 years and over 230,000 miles. It probably would have lasted longer, but I had a financial situation that kept me from taking care of an emissions problem (the CEL had been on for quite a while) - I just drove it 'till it died. My current car is an 06' Mazda 6S. This is more of an American car as it uses a 3.0L V6 that is a modified version of Ford's Duratech 30 - the "Mondeo" engine also used in the Ford Fusion/Mercury Millan. The car is built by Auto Alliance Int'l in Flat Rock, MI (the Ford Mustang is built at the same plant)....so far, so good. The new 6 (2009) looks good, but hopefuly I wont be in the market anytime soon.
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RE: Automobiles: Which car is more reliable? - 12/22/2008 8:10:28 PM
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anicecupofcoffee
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Buy Asian... There are no guarantee's...but, Toyota, Honda(Accord), Nissan etc.
rofaith
Do you know what the best selling car in Asia (China in particular) is??
It's not a Honda.... Not a Toyota.... Not even a Nissan...
.... It's Buick! ........... Surprised!
GM is building the best cars they ever built. And when you buy an American car or truck, the profits stay here. They don't go to Japan or Germany or anywhere else.
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RE: Automobiles: Which car is more reliable? - 12/22/2008 10:11:15 PM
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Buy Asian... There are no guarantee's...but, Toyota, Honda(Accord), Nissan etc.
rofaith
Do you know what the best selling car in Asia (China in particular) is??
It's not a Honda.... Not a Toyota.... Not even a Nissan...
.... It's Buick! ........... Surprised!
GM is building the best cars they ever built. And when you buy an American car or truck, the profits stay here. They don't go to Japan or Germany or anywhere else.
So when they start selling those cars they're selling in Asia and start selling at a price we can afford here in the Good ole U S of A I might consider buying one. For me Give me a Honda or Nissan any day of the week. I had a 1986 Nissan Sentra I run 218,000 miles and cracked a piston. Put another little four cyl. in that had a 130,000 miles on it & run it some 40,000 before I sold it. The guy I sold it to replaced the belts,hoses and plugs and plugwires and drove it to Philedelphia with his daughter. I've had a Civic and the only reason I traded it was because it was easier to get my newborn in and out or the CRV we traded for. Oh by the way the CRV was lower priced than anything the American Boys had for sale.
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RE: Automobiles: Which car is more reliable? - 12/22/2008 11:45:39 PM
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So when they start selling those cars they're selling in Asia and start selling at a price we can afford here in the Good ole U S of A I might consider buying one. For me Give me a Honda or Nissan any day of the week. I had a 1986 Nissan Sentra I run 218,000 miles and cracked a piston. Put another little four cyl. in that had a 130,000 miles on it & run it some 40,000 before I sold it. The guy I sold it to replaced the belts,hoses and plugs and plugwires and drove it to Philedelphia with his daughter. I've had a Civic and the only reason I traded it was because it was easier to get my newborn in and out or the CRV we traded for. Oh by the way the CRV was lower priced than anything the American Boys had for sale.
I've been in the automotive business for over 35 years and I can tell you the quality, price & service is there with General Motors. Worked for Honda 2 of those years and wouldn't buy one on a bet. I drove my Chevrolet Lumina APV 211,000 miles before selling it 4 years ago to someone in need of good transportation. It's still on the road today!
9.3 million people worldwide bought GM vehicles last year. That’s more vehicles than any other automaker in the world sold. And in the U.S., which is the world’s largest market, GM sold more vehicles than any other manufacturer in 2007, and it has sold more than any other automaker to date in 2008.
In 2008, the Chevy Malibu was named North American Car of the Year, and the Cadillac CTS was Motor Trend’s 2008 Car of the Year. In 2007, the Saturn Aura and Chevy Silverado won North American Car and Truck of the year. Those awards are given and judged by automotive journalists.
Customers have responded just as enthusiastically as the critics. Although total U.S. vehicle sales are down almost 15% so far this year (through October), a number of GM cars and crossovers have enjoyed significant sales increases:
Chevy Malibu +39%
Pontiac Vibe +36%
Pontiac G6 + 4%
Cadillac CTS +15%
Saturn Aura +7%
GMC Acadia +2%
Buick Enclave +88%
Check out some more facts here http://gmfactsandfiction.com/
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RE: Automobiles: Which car is more reliable? - 12/24/2008 8:17:53 PM
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In 2008, the Chevy Malibu was named North American Car of the Year, and the Cadillac CTS was Motor Trend’s 2008 Car of the Year. In 2007, the Saturn Aura and Chevy Silverado won North American Car and Truck of the year. Those awards are given and judged by automotive journalists.
Just curious have they won anything outside of North America? The judges wouldn't be a little biased would they? LOL Listen I am glad you like American cars. I am not against them I had a Corsica for 7 years and tore the whole side out of it when I had to let it go. I'm just saying you can't deny the fact that Honda,Toyota, and Nissan have been producing top quality cars at reasonable prices for years. Part of the reason the "Big 3" are in trouble is they ignored the average American who can't afford their cars anymore. So that's why folks turned to their competition.
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RE: Automobiles: Which car is more reliable? - 12/25/2008 9:35:11 PM
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anicecupofcoffee
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Just curious have they won anything outside of North America? The judges wouldn't be a little biased would they? LOL Listen I am glad you like American cars. I am not against them I had a Corsica for 7 years and tore the whole side out of it when I had to let it go. I'm just saying you can't deny the fact that Honda,Toyota, and Nissan have been producing top quality cars at reasonable prices for years. Part of the reason the "Big 3" are in trouble is they ignored the average American who can't afford their cars anymore. So that's why folks turned to their competition.
Rodney, sorry if I came off a little gruff but as you can probably tell I'm very passionate about the industry I'm in and frustrated over the slanted media and mindset of the American consumer(import vs domestic). To answer your question, GM has not only won awards for safety, quality, customer satisfaction, and state-of-the-art manufacturing facilities in the US but in Europe & Asia as well. And as I stated in an earlier post BUICK remains the #1 selling car in the Asian markets. Yet in the US it's sales are slipping. What you don't hear on the news or read in the papers is the huge recall numbers that Toyota has been putting up in recent years as well as slipping customer satisfaction reports. In fact, this was the first year in many that Consumer Reports hasn't given Toyota a free ride due to their quality issues.
In the end, it all comes down to what you can afford and enjoy driving. Afterall, you'll be driving it for 3-4-5 or more years. I do ask you though, to check out GM products (in particular). If you haven't shopped for a new car recently, I think you'll find the pricing very much in line with Toyota, Honda & Nissan. In 2006, GM changed their pricing structure to "true market" pricing. By this I mean they lowered all their inflated sticker (MSRP) prices, while reducing incentives to match the imports. Now you can really compare apples to apples on GM vs their competitors. I hope this info helps and I respect your concerns.
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RE: Automobiles: Which car is more reliable? - 12/26/2008 8:12:05 PM
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rofaith
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Wow, I've been to Tokyo three times, Seoul three times, Hong Kong twice, Beijing twice, never, ever saw a Buick... possibly a different Buick car that would be embraced by the Asians that is similar in form & function to a Honda, Toyota or Nissan. Indeed, probably built in Asia.... The streets of each of these cities, save Beijing in some areas cannot accommodate the relatively large size Buicks we see in America.... the roads are too narrow and many of the streets would be impassible for the Buicks we see in America.
BTW, love some of the new Chevy designs.... for GM, keep the GTO, drop Pontiac completely. Keep Chevy and get rid of some of the plethora of models that basically keep Union Workers employed, Keep Cadillac and Buick, both of the latter are the best cars GM has. Incredible quality, but need to lose plastic and improve interiors. Cadillac is an awesome car.
Ford, Wow, some good cars there too... the Five Hundred, the new Taurus they can discard since it's a mini-me-Five Hundred, Focus is great, especially the sporty version which with a little work would compete with VW's almost look-alike. Keep the Flex, Five Hundred, Focus, they have a Hybrid SUV that I guess is selling well, Mustang, F150, and lose the rest.... just like GM too many models...
Chrysler... they have been on life support since before MBz merged with them... now they are back, trying to survive on retro-branded cars i.e. Charger, MD-300 etc... all of which look alike with the RAM front-end. This company needs some serious surgery....
I like some of the American cars but they have a long way to go. They are being bought because they are "American" made.... but so is Toyota, Honda, MBz, BMW etc... the latter being engineered and designed off shore (I think)....
With better engineering and listening to the customer, GM will go far... at least I hope so.... but a real and I mean real change is due. Saw the interview the other night where the journalist(I forget his name...) walked the GM CEO up to a Pontiac Aztek which IMHO is the ugliest car ever manufactured and asked why the American people should basically enable this kind of product engineering... the GM CEO had to admit it was a mistake.... again, the arrogance is there that just because it's manufactured in the US, people should buy a GM, Ford or Chrysler built car... which is proving pretty much untrue as they continue to exist market-wise and revenue-wise in the red...
More power to GM, Ford and Chrysler....unfortunately, the UAW with it's associated perceived sense of entitlement is a public relations nightmare for the American car companies right now as they try to get dollars from the US Government for so called bail outs...... the free market will respond only to good engineering and customer service and attention.... find out what the customer wants and buying in off-shore cars, and build it for heavens sakes...
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RE: Automobiles: Which car is more reliable? - 12/27/2008 12:09:53 AM
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Wow, I've been to Tokyo three times, Seoul three times, Hong Kong twice, Beijing twice, never, ever saw a Buick... possibly a different Buick car that would be embraced by the Asians that is similar in form & function to a Honda, Toyota or Nissan. Indeed, probably built in Asia.... The streets of each of these cities, save Beijing in some areas cannot accommodate the relatively large size Buicks we see in America.... the roads are too narrow and many of the streets would be impassible for the Buicks we see in America.
With the exception of the Buick LaCrosse, you will see smaller versions not available yet in the US. I believe they come out of the Opel plant.
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BTW, love some of the new Chevy designs.... for GM, keep the GTO, drop Pontiac completely. Keep Chevy and get rid of some of the plethora of models that basically keep Union Workers employed, Keep Cadillac and Buick, both of the latter are the best cars GM has. Incredible quality, but need to lose plastic and improve interiors. Cadillac is an awesome car
Chevy does have some neat designs. And the Malibu has been a good seller. In light of the current crisis, GM is looking to sell-off (or stop production of) Hummer, Saab and Saturn and downsize Pontiac to a niche nameplate. The GTO went out of production last year. That too was a niche vehicle. The G6 now ships out of the Holden plant in Australia where the GTO was produced.
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With better engineering and listening to the customer, GM will go far... at least I hope so.... but a real and I mean real change is due. Saw the interview the other night where the journalist(I forget his name...) walked the GM CEO up to a Pontiac Aztek which IMHO is the ugliest car ever manufactured and asked why the American people should basically enable this kind of product engineering... the GM CEO had to admit it was a mistake
I'll be the first to admit that GM was building garbage back in the 80's. GM's vice chairman, Robert Lutz, admitted the same on a recent documentary "Saving GM". But their quality is back and they're building the best cars & trucks in their history. Now the public has to be convinced.
Thanks for your vote of confidence in American know-how. Do I hear any other flag wavers out there?
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RE: Automobiles: Which car is more reliable? - 12/27/2008 1:31:27 PM
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rofaith
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With the exception of the Buick Lacrosse, you will see smaller versions not available yet in the US. I believe they come out of the Opel plant.
Come to think of it, I have see the Lacrosse in Asia so I take that back.... love the Lacrosse.
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The GTO went out of production last year. That too was a niche vehicle. The G6 now ships out of the Holden plant in Australia where the GTO was produced.
I thought that the GTO and G6 were the finest fit and finish American cars ever made. What I noticed when I saw one here in Southern California was the straight lines, classic styling and just the way the car is put together. Never saw the interior.... awesome looking cars... hope GM continues in this way.
BTW, driving a MBz C230 Kompressor right now. It's an awesome car.... when I get over my American-Car-Phobia, I'll consider something American.. for now I just love driving the car. It's straight, great acceleration due to the Supercharger, comfortable, quiet and a great ride...
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RE: Automobiles: Which car is more reliable? - 12/27/2008 11:15:52 PM
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anicecupofcoffee
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I agree, the C230 Kompressor is an awesome car! Enjoy it!
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