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RE: The Three Views of Hell - 9/27/2008 10:57:46 AM
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Thanks Steve…I’m glad you clarified your thoughts on hell.
Regarding the point…will people continue in hell for eternity, I’m not sure that Romans 8 supports the fact that evil will be destroyed but the bible tells us it will be contained forever and ever.
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RE: The Three Views of Hell - 9/28/2008 12:38:10 AM
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hehe cool cool LG!
Just curious on a side note is there any corilation between you and your avatar name?
My wife is from Romania so thats kinda why im asking 
We were talking about "destroying evil"
Well the Lake of fire is destroying evil. The reason it is eternal is because it is a complete separation from God for eternity and no-body has the ability to come out of it. Why do you think it was Christ that had to die on the Cross? because God is the only one that can withstand God's wrath!
Only Jesus has the power to overcome hell. God's wrath is described as an unquenchable fire.
Check these out:
Isaiah 66:24
"And they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind."
Jeremiah 21:12
O house of David, this is what the LORD says: " 'Administer justice every morning; rescue from the hand of his oppressor the one who has been robbed, or my wrath will break out and burn like fire because of the evil you have done— burn with no one to quench it.
Lastly more proof that hell is eternal and those in it will be loathed too!
22 "As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me," declares the LORD, "so will your name and descendants endure. 23 From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me," says the LORD. 24 "And they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind."
Mark 9:42-48 "42And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck. 43If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. 45And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. 47And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48where
" 'their worm does not die,
and the fire is not quenched.'"
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RE: The Three Views of Hell - 9/28/2008 9:41:45 AM
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Check these out:
Isaiah 66:24
"And they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind."
Jeremiah 21:12
O house of David, this is what the LORD says: " 'Administer justice every morning; rescue from the hand of his oppressor the one who has been robbed, or my wrath will break out and burn like fire because of the evil you have done— burn with no one to quench it.
IMHO these references to the Valley of Hinnon (gehenna) which is a real actual garbage dump outside Jerusalem were warnings about the soon to come destruction of Jerusalem and not references to an eternal hell.
There is nothing to warrent reading hell into these warnings in the OT and not one jewish bible scholar understood these as eternal hell.
But if you read these with a built in pre-supposition then you will see these as hell.
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RE: The Three Views of Hell - 9/28/2008 11:53:58 AM
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Don't know what jewish bible scholor you were reading up on but Jesus Himself gave a reference to it as Hell...
Mark 9:27-48
47And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48where
" 'their worm does not die,
and the fire is not quenched.'"
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RE: The Three Views of Hell - 9/28/2008 12:11:42 PM
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Mark 9:27-48
47And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48where
" 'their worm does not die,
and the fire is not quenched.'"
The greek word translated into hell (gehenna) is the valley of hinnon which was a real actual burning garbage dump outside of Jerusalem. Jesus is quoting Isa 66 , and these various references by Isaiah and Jeremiah to gehenna were never about hell but were about judgment and destruction.
There is nothing to indicate Jesus was using these so called "hell" references any differently then Isaiah and Jeremiah.
If you want to believe it's symbolic of hell that's your right but there isn't anything concrete to back up that assumption.
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RE: The Three Views of Hell - 9/28/2008 1:49:21 PM
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Well either I am blind or your version of this verse is:
If your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye then to have two eyes and be thrown into the burning garbage pit outside of jerusalem. (where apparently worms don't die from the earthly fire and nor can anyone put the fire out).
Give me a break.
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RE: The Three Views of Hell - 9/28/2008 5:03:48 PM
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Mark 9:27-48
47And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48where
" 'their worm does not die,
and the fire is not quenched.'"
The greek word translated into hell (gehenna) is the valley of hinnon which was a real actual burning garbage dump outside of Jerusalem. Jesus is quoting Isa 66 , and these various references by Isaiah and Jeremiah to gehenna were never about hell but were about judgment and destruction.
There is nothing to indicate Jesus was using these so called "hell" references any differently then Isaiah and Jeremiah.
If you want to believe it's symbolic of hell that's your right but there isn't anything concrete to back up that assumption.
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The greek word translated into hell (gehenna) is the valley of hinnon which was a real actual burning garbage dump outside of Jerusalem.
Steve does make his point on this:
The words spoken, by Jesus (surely, Aramaic transliterated to Greek), in this instance, were “the Gehenna of fire.”
The word translated hell is “Gehenna” (γέεννα, geenna), a Greek transliteration of the Hebrew words ge hinnom (“Valley of Hinnom”). This was the valley along the south side of Jerusalem. In OT times it was used for human sacrifices to the pagan god Molech (cf. Jer 7:31; 19:5-6; 32:35), and it came to be used as a place where human excrement and rubbish were disposed of and burned. In the intertestamental period, it came to be used symbolically as the place of divine punishment (cf. 1 En. 27:2, 90:26; 4 Ezra 7:36).
However, the Bible teaches that there is an eternal, fiery, hell, a place that Jesus warned people about.
"And if your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the eternal fire," (Matt. 18:8).
Eternal fire is real. Jesus said it was. In fact, Jesus spoke a great deal about hell. It is what Jesus came here to save us from. There will be a Day of Judgment when all people will face God. Those who are not covered by the sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross will be cast out into hell where they will undergo eternal punishment. "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life" (Matt. 25:46). In this verse, the same word "eternal" is used to describe the punishment of the wicked as well as the eternal life of the believer. The punishment is endless as is the eternal life of the believer. That is why the gospel (1 Cor. 15:1-4) is so important, because it saves people from eternal damnation:
Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life, (John 5:24).
Following are a few verses that show the eternality of the hell and punishment. God uses different phrases to describe the same thing.
"And these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power," (2 Thess. 1:9).
"Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire" (Jude 7).
These men are those who are hidden reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted; 13 wild waves of the sea, casting up their own shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever," (Jude12-13).
Is "forever and ever" without end?
The phrase "forever and ever" is used both of describing God's eternal worth and the duration of eternal damnation. The exact same Greek phrase is used in each of these verses:
"Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen," (1 Tim. 1:17).
". . . To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever" (Rev. 5:13).
"And a second time they said, "Hallelujah! Her smoke rises up forever and ever" (Rev. 19:3).
"And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever," (Rev. 20:10).
The Greek phrase "aionas ton aionon," which is translated "forever and ever," occurs 18 times in the Greek New Testament. In 17 of them, the phrase means without end, extending into infinity. In Rev. 19:3, the phrase is used to describe the destruction of the great whore of Babylon (Rev. 17:1,4) whose smoke ascends forever and ever. It too is eternal and it signifies the beginning of the eternal judgment that comes upon her. Also worth examining is Rev. 14:11: "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name." The Greek in Rev. 14:11 is only slightly different. In Rev. 14:11, the Greek is "aionas aionon" which is literally, "ages of ages." In the latter, the single Greek word "of the" is missing. But it is not necessary and does not change the meaning of the text. Therefore, the scripture teaches the smoke of their torment goes up forever, without end.
Unquenchable Fire
Some believe that the fires of hell are symbolic and/or temporal. But the following verses show that they are not.
Matt. 3:12 says, "And His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire." (See also Luke 3:17.)
Mark 9:43 says, "And if your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire." The word "unquenchable" is "asbestos" in the Greek. According to the enhanced Strong's lexicon, it means "unquenchable, the eternal hell fire to punish the damned."
The following citations are from Greek dictionaries and Lexicons. They show that the word "unquenchable," which is "asbestos" in the Greek, (which occurs only in Matt. 3:12, Luke 3:17, and Mark 9:43) means unquenchable, without end.
"unquenchable, inextinguishable" - Liddell, H. G., and Scott, Abridged Greek-English Lexicon, (Oxford: Oxford University Press) 1992, [Online] Available: Logos Library System.
"not quenched" - Vine, W. E., Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, (Grand Rapids, MI: Fleming H. Revell) 1981, [Online] Available: Logos Library System.
"pertaining to a fire that cannot be put out" - "unquenchable." - Louw, Johannes P. and Nida, Eugene A., Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament based on Semantic Domains, (New York: United Bible Societies) 1988, 1989, [Online] Available: Logos Library System
"unquenched, unquenchable" - Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon, (Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.) 1995, [Online] Available: Logos Library System.
"that cannot be put out" - Wigram-Green, The New Englishman's Greek Concordance and Lexicon, (Peabody Mass: Hendrikson Publishers, 1982, p. 771.
"inextinguishable" - William F. Arndt and F. Wilbur Gingrich, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and other Early Christian Literature, 2nd ed. (Chicago, Ill: The University of Chicago Press), 1979, p. 114.
Is hell eternal? Yes it is. Are its fires without end? Yes they are. Is it a pleasant doctrine to discuss? Not really. But, hell is real. This is all the more reason to preach the gospel. Jesus said,
"And if your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the eternal fire," (Matt. 18:8).
All scripture quotes are from the NASB. I hope this helps.
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RE: The Three Views of Hell - 9/28/2008 6:02:17 PM
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Steve…here is my problem with your position. Let’s say you are wrong in saying that hell does not exist and that at some point everyone will be saved. It seems to me that you are leading potential Christians down an incorrect path. Most sinners are reluctant in giving up their life styles and adapting to something that they fear (Christian life style). Then they look at your view point and suddenly they can say…well if I’m going to be saved anyway and hell doesn’t even exist…what do I have to be afraid of, I’ll just continue the way I am.
Bob, Perhaps i was'nt clear before? Hell does exist and it's scary and i'm afraid of it and i don't want to go there.
But God said evil would be destroyed (Rom 8) and if sinners are eternally in hell evil will not be destroyed only contained.
I don't know if everyone will be saved or not but many folks in the lake of fire may be there for hundreds,thousands or even millions of years. It may be that for all practical purposes the length of time may feel eternal.
But this is just a mystery only God really knows.
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I don't know if everyone will be saved or not but many folks in the lake of fire may be there for hundreds,thousands or even millions of years. It may be that for all practical purposes the length of time may feel eternal.
Steve, you do know the differences between eternity and eternal life...correct?
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RE: The Three Views of Hell - 9/28/2008 9:16:17 PM
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Steve, you do know the differences between eternity and eternal life...correct?
LG, Hmm i guess eternal life means immortality and eternity means forever?
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RE: The Three Views of Hell - 9/28/2008 9:24:28 PM
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Eternal fire is real. Jesus said it was. In fact, Jesus spoke a great deal about hell. It is what Jesus came here to save us from. There will be a Day of Judgment when all people will face God. Those who are not covered by th
The angel told Mary that Jesus would save us from our sins. The Apostles said he would save us from judgment.
Whether Jesus spoke a great deal about hell depends on whether you accept the mainstream translations of "gehenna" and "hades" as hell which were first interpreted that way by the Roman Catholic Church around the 4th century.
I think the lake of fire is hell (Rev 20) but as i read the verses afterward it does'nt sound like eternal torment to me.
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RE: The Three Views of Hell - 9/28/2008 9:36:33 PM
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Eternal fire is real. Jesus said it was. In fact, Jesus spoke a great deal about hell. It is what Jesus came here to save us from. There will be a Day of Judgment when all people will face God. Those who are not covered by th
The angel told Mary that Jesus would save us from our sins. The Apostles said he would save us from judgment.
Whether Jesus spoke a great deal about hell depends on whether you accept the mainstream translations of "gehenna" and "hades" as hell which were first interpreted that way by the Roman Catholic Church around the 4th century.
I think the lake of fire is hell (Rev 20) but as i read the verses afterward it does'nt sound like eternal torment to me.
I know it's a tough pill to swallow, but picking and choosing which items to quote or not quote won't make it go away!
"And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life" (Matt. 25:46)
Eternal means FOREVER... did you not read the whole post? Nothing will save us from our sins aside of the dutiful worship of Christ. An honest and abiding love for Him and a heartfelt desire to live what God wills for our lives. Day in and day out... not just going to church on Sunday, or logging into this site and hashing about proven theology. If you, if we, are truly saved by our commitment to Jesus, and our convictions to serve, honor and obey our Holy Creator and his Word, then all we have to face on the Day of Judgment is, in what capacity we will serve in Heaven. We will have no fear of eternal damnation in the lake of fire.
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RE: The Three Views of Hell - 9/28/2008 9:43:14 PM
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"And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life" (Matt. 25:46)
Eternal means FOREVER... did you not read the whole post?
This is something (Matt 25.46) i addressed when i opened this thread and as i mentioned numerous times as well as other people "aionios" means age abiding not eternal.
However if you disagree that's fine with me.
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RE: The Three Views of Hell - 9/28/2008 9:56:07 PM
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I am truly disheartened Steve, you did not take time to read the entire post. I also edited the previous one.
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The Greek phrase "aionas ton aionon," which is translated "forever and ever," occurs 18 times in the Greek New Testament. In 17 of them, the phrase means without end, extending into infinity. In Rev. 19:3, the phrase is used to describe the destruction of the great whore of Babylon (Rev. 17:1,4) whose smoke ascends forever and ever. It too is eternal and it signifies the beginning of the eternal judgment that comes upon her. Also worth examining is Rev. 14:11: "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name." The Greek in Rev. 14:11 is only slightly different. In Rev. 14:11, the Greek is "aionas aionon" which is literally, "ages of ages." In the latter, the single Greek word "of the" is missing. But it is not necessary and does not change the meaning of the text. Therefore, the scripture teaches the smoke of their torment goes up forever, without end.
I tend to dabble, somewhat, in the ancient Greek.
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RE: The Three Views of Hell - 9/28/2008 10:15:23 PM
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Yeah I'm just taking a look at http://www.biblos.com (great reference for this stuff).
I see aionon as "age, course, eternal, forever"
Then I noticed that the word aionios as you said... it doesn't even say "age" - From aion; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well) -- eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began). "
Check this out... it has all of the versus that use aionion (used the most for this reference) as eternal... without end... tons about hell in there... like Matthew 25:41 then verse 46
Here you go: http://concordance.biblos.com/aio_nion.htm
Its not "how we see it" steve its how the bible is written. Without hell or lake of fire how it may, there is no separation from God, there is no accountability and nor would there have been a reason for Christ to save us from our sins (the result of sin is eternal spiritual death).
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RE: The Three Views of Hell - 9/28/2008 10:51:00 PM
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Steve,
There is a really good article on aion that talks about the "forever until principle", on Tentmaker..somewhere..I just tried to find it as I haven't read it in a long time. For example, the verse that talks about Sodom and the eternal fires of judgment.... When we read in Ecclesiastes how God is going to restore Sodom we have to know that in this case eternal did not mean endless.
You probably know there are about 10 Greek words that definitely endless but aion is not one of them. In my opinion it can sort of go either way. When speaking of God it could mean endless and that wouldn't condradict the scriptures. Or even when the chosen people of God act foolishly and fail to "cut off their hand or foot" then wind up as worthless as a pile of trash in Gehenna, endlessly missing out on what God had in store for them. The "children of Hell" in Matthew 23 carries this same thought. Paul, himself, warned us to let no man take our crown. He even said that he fights against his flesh so that he may not be a castaway after he has preached Christ to others. But, to say that people will be punished, or suffer the wages of sin, endlessly, does contradict the scriptures. No point in listing them, I already have.
Only the chosen or elect of God could be affected by the trashdump. Why would a Muslim or Hindu be embarrassed to find out Jesus never really knew them? ( they will probably be surprised to know they needed reconciliation but being a part of God's kingdom as we know it, is probably not even in their thoughts))
Sinners were not warned about Hell/Gehenna. If we believe Matthew 25 and the scripture about cutting off a hand or foot or plucking out an eye, is how one is reconciled to God, then we believe a "works" based gospel.
I can't remember who posted about the smoke of their torment and the destruction from the presence of the Lord... but it says the smoke of their torment and destruction from the presence of the Lord. I don't think it means away from the Lord, I think it means because the Lord is who He is and He demands all men to repent, His unquenching fire/smoke/torment/destruction/ will last as long as it takes for these guys to submit to His Lordship. Remember it happens in the presence of the Lamb and the holy angels. Not, away from them.
Our God is a consuming fire.
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/eternity.htm Here is a good article by J Preston Eby on the subject of eternal/everlasting.
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RE: The Three Views of Hell - 9/28/2008 11:03:50 PM
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dyluck,
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the result of sin is eternal spiritual death.
This does seem to be a direct contradiction to scripture in light of 1 Corinthians 15:22
19if in this life we have hope in Christ only, of all men we are most to be pitied.
20And now, Christ hath risen out of the dead -- the first-fruits of those sleeping he became,
21for since through man [is] the death, also through man [is] a rising again of the dead,
22for even as in Adam all die, so also in the Christ all shall be made alive,
This whole chapter is about physical resurrection. Which totally does a TKO on the wages of sin. The problem affects all of mankind and the remedy does too.
I believe physical death is the wages of sin.
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RE: The Three Views of Hell - 9/28/2008 11:12:32 PM
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Bah... your statement doesn't back up anything other then opinions my friend. A lot of "could mean" in there.
Eternity is eternity, forever is forever. Punishment is punishment. Do you honestly think the Devil will reconcile onto God?
You say aion isn't one of them.. look again or did you just believe something you were fed by someone who rather not take accountability to a eternal separation from our Father. Look in here: http://concordance.biblos.com/aio_nion.htm
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RE: The Three Views of Hell - 9/28/2008 11:29:09 PM
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Just noticed you other post there theredhog - the wages of sin is death - both physical and spiritual death without Christ. We all must experience physical death, Christians must endure this... that is biblical, verse is eluding me. Those without Christ will have the second death... the spiritual death... this is refered to as what happens when cast "thrown out like trash / spewed from God's mouth" into the lake of everlasting / unquenchable fire.
There is, however sin that leads to death (suicide for instance) and sin that leads to spiritual death (all sin including suicide). How many sins did it take for Adam and Eve to be separated from God, cursed with death / pain and are were on the same path as the devil???
if you believe in spiritual death, then you contradict yourself. It exists, how can you believe that sin does not lead to spiritual death when without Christ who saved us from Sin died to save you from its concequence and most of all for the Glory of God. The only one that can overcome both death and spiritual death is Jesus as he did in his finished work on the Cross. Reconciliation does not come from works, you are right; Reconciliation comes from the sacrifice of Christ and his blood, he destroyed the devils work - the completion of reconciliation comes from the supernatural change that occurs in a true believer as described in Romans 6. What purpose prey-tell does the devil have in wasting his time bringing down the creation of God if forever lost are reconciled somehow from some temporary purgatory - said number of years.. including the devil himself???...
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RE: The Three Views of Hell - 9/29/2008 8:17:25 AM
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I am truly disheartened Steve, you did not take time to read the entire post. I also edited the previous one.
Because we disagree does'nt mean i did'nt read your post. Plato first used "aionios" and he used it to describe a time frame. When Plato applied endless time to the gods he used the word "aidios."
By the time the KJV was written the Roman Catholic Church had ingrained eternal torment as a foundational doctrine and King James had ordered the translators not to offend the RCC.
God's will is that everyone should be saved and come into the knowledge of the truth. Of course Satan's will is the opposite therefore i'm alligning my will with God's. When you get offended at the thought of the eventual reconciliation of mankind you are in effect getting offended at God's stated will.
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RE: The Three Views of Hell - 9/29/2008 8:21:13 AM
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steve7150
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BTW there is also a real possibility that even if this word "aionios" means eternal it may not even be a time description but a description of God.
"Eternal" judgment or "Eternal" fire may mean God's judgment and have nothing to do with a time frame.
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RE: The Three Views of Hell - 9/29/2008 11:48:48 AM
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Steve, you are using the words "may"... Stuff like this must be definite. Don't just throw out speculation. Forums are not a theology guessing game. People that do not know the truth lurk these
Now that we are using oppinions let me give mine.
Do you honestly think God almighty would allow his truth to be translated in untruth in all English bibles. All of what say eternal. I see different references in time in english completely separate from Eternal "age", "hour", "day", "years", "generation", "forever", "ever lasting".
God's will prevails.
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RE: The Three Views of Hell - 9/29/2008 12:55:15 PM
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quote:
"Aionio's" - A Lexical Survey
by Tom Logan
Aion, Aionios and the lexicons:
166. aionios; from 165; agelong, eternal:— eternal(66), eternity(1), forever(1).
Thomas, Robert L., Th.D., General Editor, New American Standard Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek Dictionaries,
166 aionios-
1) without beginning and end, what has always been and always will be
2) without beginning
3) without end, never to cease, everlasting
---Thayers
2. aionios [166] "describes duration, either undefined but not endless, as in <Rom. 16:25; 2 Tim. 1:9; Titus 1:2>; or undefined because endless as in <Rom. 16:26>, and the other sixty-six places in the NT.
"The predominant meaning of aionios, that in which it is used everywhere in the NT, save the places noted above, may be seen in <2 Cor. 4:18>, where it is set in contrast with proskairos, lit., `for a season,' and in <Philem. 15>, where only in the NT it is used without a noun. Moreover it is used of persons and things which are in their nature endless, as, e. g., of God, <Rom. 16:26>; of His power, <1 Tim. 6:16>, and of His glory, <1 Pet. 5:10>; of the Holy Spirit, <Heb. 9:14>; of the redemption effected by Christ, <Heb. 9:12>, and of the consequent salvation of men, <5:9>, as well as of His future rule, <2 Pet. 1:11>, which is elsewhere declared to be without end, <Luke 1:33>; of the life received by those who believe in Christ, <John 3:16>, concerning whom He said, `they shall never perish,' <10:28>, and of the resurrection body, <2 Cor. 5:1>, elsewhere said to be `immortal,' <1 Cor. 15:53>, in which that life will be finally realized, <Matt. 25:46; Titus 1:2>.
"Aionios is also used of the sin that `hath never forgiveness,' <Mark 3:29>, and of the judgment of God, from which there is no appeal, <Heb. 6:2>, and of the fire, which is one of its instruments, <Matt. 18:8; 25:41; Jude 7>, and which is elsewhere said to be `unquenchable,' <Mark 9:43>.
"The use of aionios here shows that the punishment referred to in <2 Thes. 1:9>, is not temporary, but final, and, accordingly, the phraseology shows that its purpose is not remedial but retributive."
From Notes on Thessalonians, by Hogg and Vine, pp 232, 233. (from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words)
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