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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/11/2008 9:18:22 AM
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Yes, Christians should repent.
What if they don't? No biggie?
Like I said, Christians will reap what they sow. They'll suffer earthly consequences.
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Now, I was speaking of Obama being a sinner, not his supporters.
I am asking how Mr. Obama repents of the things he supports... For instance, abortion and the homosexual agenda..
Webster's Dictionary says to repent is "to feel so contrite over one's sins as to change, or decide to change one's ways." In other words, to be remorseful for our sins and turna way from them.
I John 1:9 says: "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
Who should we confess our sins to? Jesus.
How do we confess to Him? By just talking to Him just as we would anyone that we desire to have a relationship with. "But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father..." ~Matthew 6:6
Now, here's the kicker. Hebrews 10:26,27 says: "For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the Truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire..."
If we say that we have fellowhip with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the Truth; but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is the Light, we have fellowhip with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleans us from all sin. ~I John 1:6,7
Now we all sin, but willfully sinning means that we know what we're doing is sin and choose to follow our flesh instead of repenting and striving to follow God. In this case we'd better check out our salvation. To walk in the "light" is to live in obedience to God's Word. The result from this is continual cleansing from sin because walking in the light shows us other sins that need cleaning and leads to repentance.
So, if Obama is saved, he'll be convicted by the Holy Spirit of his sins and hopefully repent. If he's not saved, he won't be convicted of those sins unless the Holy Spirit draws him to salvation to repent of those sins. This is the same for everyone, not just Obama.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/11/2008 9:44:16 AM
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It may be small here in the USA but is the largest Pentecostal denomination in the world. They have their own national conventions and etc many AG outside USA or missionaries AG church inside US an be more traditional than US sister churches.
We are getting ready to take over the USA. Why do you think Sarah Palin got the VP slot? 
 Ha, Ha,....well, I am interceding for her and McCain
 The gates of hell are shaking in their boots and their puppets are scare out their minds, going bonkers and going in circles!
 I'm non-denominational (agree that everyone who believes in Christ Jesus as Lord and Savior are Christians and brothers and Sisters in Christ Jesus(Baptist, Charismatic Catholics,Presb,Luther,Calvin,Method...)though I am Penetecostal and I go to a AG Church now. Yet, that is not why I chosing her. I'm chosing her for values and love for Christ, her Husband, her Children, and other's.
 I'm dancing and jumping for joy!
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/11/2008 9:52:23 AM
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Amusing how the McCainophyles think that trying to divert the discussion from Palin's crazy pastor to Obama's crazy pastor somehow exonerates the former.
But that's what passes for rational thought among conservatives these days.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/11/2008 9:57:04 AM
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Amusing how the McCainophyles think that trying to divert the discussion from Palin's crazy pastor to Obama's crazy pastor somehow exonerates the former.
But that's what passes for rational thought among conservatives these days.
I still do not know what her pastor said. Show me the video. I mean I heard Oprah's ridiculious comments. Yep, from the O's own lips. It wasn't written in a news rag.
In fact, everything anyone says are all over the news stations... so show us the tapes. Not what someone wrote he said. National Enquirers, Peoples, Times, News Weeks, Blogs, Forums, etc... promotes hear-say and gossip.
Again give us the links, so we can make a decision to pray for those who do what they know not what do. We prayed for Pastor Wright to come to his senses. But, I cannot pray for a Pastor to repent on something there is no evidence of him saying.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/11/2008 10:02:48 AM
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Amusing how the McCainophyles think that trying to divert the discussion from Palin's crazy pastor to Obama's crazy pastor somehow exonerates the former.
But that's what passes for rational thought among conservatives these days.
I still do not know what her pastor said.
Some of his more egregious comments have been quoted inthis very thread.
Willful ignorance is no excuse.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/11/2008 10:15:20 AM
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Amusing how the McCainophyles think that trying to divert the discussion from Palin's crazy pastor to Obama's crazy pastor somehow exonerates the former.
But that's what passes for rational thought among conservatives these days.
I still do not know what her pastor said.
Some of his more egregious comments have been quoted inthis very thread.
Willful ignorance is no excuse.
Thank you again for the sound sources you offer. Thank God for the Blood of the Lamb which covers a multitude of my sins. Anyway, the greater sin would be making a judgement based upon hearsay, without two or more witnesses and the person being accused not here to defend himself.
At least present a tape, video link... where we all can make a sound decision by hearing what is stated from the Pastor's mouth. There is a Link on Palin, Obama, McCain, Biden... all displaying there spoken words giving everyone opportunity to hear them verbatim, therefore, making sound decisions.
Again thank you for the ability to agree to disagree and still walk in love one with another via Christ Jesus.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/11/2008 1:44:20 PM
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So, if Obama is saved, he'll be convicted by the Holy Spirit of his sins and hopefully repent. If he's not saved, he won't be convicted of those sins unless the Holy Spirit draws him to salvation to repent of those sins. This is the same for everyone, not just Obama.
All the lipstick in the world won't make the pig a beauty queen...
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/11/2008 1:50:21 PM
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Some of his more egregious comments have been quoted inthis very thread.
Willful ignorance is no excuse.
And you tree hugging libs still quote a Pastor from her old Church that she does not attend, and did not attenden for two years prior to the quotes in question.
Utter gutter politics, but what else can be expected from a group of baby killers.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/11/2008 1:51:12 PM
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Amusing how the McCainophyles think that trying to divert the discussion from Palin's crazy pastor to Obama's crazy pastor somehow exonerates the former.
But that's what passes for rational thought among conservatives these days.
Since the idea of lessor evils is prevalent on this forum a comparison of the two situation clearly shows there are differences between the two situations... For one Obama was a member of the church when not comments were made, but other things like the church recognizing same sex unions was going on and Palin was two years removed from the church when the absurd comments were made, not to mention we are comparing incidents that have been recanted to a doctrine that is still alive and well. And does anyone with a rational thought think Obama would be out of the apostate church he was in for 20 years if it hadn't interfered with his quest for power?
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/11/2008 2:55:54 PM
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Let me ask everyone...do you always agree with everything your pastor says from the pulpit?
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/11/2008 3:18:26 PM
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Let me ask everyone...do you always agree with everything your pastor says from the pulpit?
No one has the corner market. We all have to search the scriptures... I've just been blessed to have had a pastor informs us to always to study scripture to make sure what he, ourselves or anyone is preaching or sharing lines up with the Word of Truth... the Bible.
So the answer is of course not. But, we all are a work in progress. And our Pastors, just as ourselves are on a learning curb. What gets into the throne room of Grace and in to the Kingdom of God when we leave here is our faith in Christ Jesus and What He done as to our sins on the cross,
Thank God for the Blood of the Lamb that covers a multitudes of our sins.
I have left a church who I've believed the doctrine was in error and the Pastor and His wife were not living a life as commanded to be lived as saints in Christ Jesus. Meaning the lifestyle was not lining up with Truth.
We are not called to drink kool-aid. We are to examine ourselves and search the scripture and test every spirit.
As stated below in 1 Thessalonians 5:21
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13.Hold them in the highest regard in love because of their work. Live in peace with each other.
14.And we urge you, brothers, warn those who are idle, encourage the timid, help the weak, be patient with everyone.
15.Make sure that nobody pays back wrong for wrong, but always try to be kind to each other and to everyone else.
16.Be joyful always;
17.pray continually;
18.give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
19.Do not put out the Spirit's fire;
20.do not treat prophecies with contempt.
21.Test everything. Hold on to the good.
22.Avoid every kind of evil.
23.May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24.The one who calls you is faithful and he will do it.
25.Brothers, pray for us.
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How about you?
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/11/2008 3:21:58 PM
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Thank you again for the sound sources you offer.
Is it your assertion, then, that Pastor Ed Kalnins DIDN"T say?:
"I'm not going tell you who to vote for, but if you vote for this particular person, I question your salvation.”
"I hate criticisms towards the President," he said, "because it's like criticisms towards the pastor -- it's almost like, it's not going to get you anywhere, you know, except for hell.”
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/11/2008 4:12:26 PM
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Let me ask everyone...do you always agree with everything your pastor says from the pulpit?
Of course not, but there are something that should cause one to never enter the church again, or in the first place...
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/11/2008 4:40:17 PM
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We are not called to drink kool-aid. We are to examine ourselves and search the scripture and test every spirit.
As stated below in 1 Thessalonians 5:21
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How about you?
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AMEN!!!
My pastor taught me to "draw the circle around myself" and examine scripture for myself and hold him accountable to see if his words and life line up with the Word of God. That doesn't mean that he may have opinions that I disagree with. If his doctrine was not sound or his life did not line up with God's Word I would not sit under his preaching/teaching. But he has messed up on occassion and asked forgiveness from God and his congregation and repented. We're all human aren't we?
Obama made the right decision for leaving his church. Granted the motivation may be questionable, but that's not for me to judge. Either way, he's no longer under the false teaching and my prayer is that he will be convicted to enter into a Truth teaching Bible preaching fellowship of believers. I also pray for Wright that he will repent and seek forgiveness from God and his church.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/11/2008 4:42:51 PM
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Let me ask everyone...do you always agree with everything your pastor says from the pulpit?
Of course not, but there are something that should cause one to never enter the church again, or in the first place...
I agree, but do we know that Wright has been spouting these untruths from the beginning? If he started out preaching the Word of God without straying then it's not Obama's fault that he strayed.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/11/2008 5:50:19 PM
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Let me ask everyone...do you always agree with everything your pastor says from the pulpit?
Of course not, but there are something that should cause one to never enter the church again, or in the first place...
I agree, but do we know that Wright has been spouting these untruths from the beginning? If he started out preaching the Word of God without straying then it's not Obama's fault that he strayed.
It was never Mr. Obama's fault regarding the actions of Mr Wright..
Here's an example....
http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Barack_Obama_Civil_Rights.htm#Gay_Rights
Q: You have said in previous debates that it is up to individual religious denominations to decide whether or not to recognize same-sex marriage. What place does the church have in government-sanctioned civil marriages?
A: It is my strong belief that the government has to treat all citizens equally. I don't think that the church should be making these determinations when it comes to legal rights conferred by the state. I do think that individual denominations have the right to make their own decisions as to whether they recognize same sex couples. My denomination, United Church of Christ, does. Other denominations may make a decision, and obviously, part of keeping a separation of churches and state is also to make sure that churches have the right to exercise their freedom of religion.
Source: 2007 HRC/LOGO debate on gay issues Aug 9, 2007
The man isn't ignorant to the stance(s) of his church while attending...
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/12/2008 8:36:23 PM
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1) My apologies 
Heh....
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2) Well, as I have said many times before, John, I believe that it's not going to make a difference whom you for regarding changing the SCJs - there is an entire thread on this, fyi
What does this have to do with Mr. Obama's recent church(that recognizes gay unions) and his stance on various issues?
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3) The fact that she more recently said that the serving in the Iraq war is a task from God is what I find disturbing.
Based on your view of the war in regards to it being just or not?
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4) John, when a spiritual leader says that your salvation is questionable by voting for a particular candidate - which is another thing I find disturbing - this is entirely different than what you're talking about.
Ok... If the action was fornication and the person wasn't willing to repent and the spiritual leader says that salvation is questionable would that be a problem?
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5) Well, as I take your word that you are a Christian, I also take Obama's word that he is a Christian.
Not if I championed the abortion and homosexual agendas in order to gain and maintain a seat of authority... A seat of authority God ordained should deal with evil, not promote and or sanction.
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2) I have already told you before, gay rights is not an issue that concerns me. As far as Obama's stance on other issues, other than his abortion stance (which is a non issue for me as you know), I agree with him 100% on the issues I have read about: environment, Iraq war, health care, taxes.
3) You question Obama because of his pastor's words. I question Palin because of her OWN words - HUGE difference. She described the Iraq war as a task that is from God. Irregardless if you believe the war was just or not, IMHO, NO ONE, but God, should deem it a task of His.
4) When you vote, you are voting on a whole slew of issues, not one issue.
5) Obviously your opinion, not mine (thankfully).
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/12/2008 9:25:56 PM
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2) I have already told you before, gay rights is not an issue that concerns me.
Really... I don't recall... Of course your desire to ignore it doesn't remove the fact his stance and the comments he has made are in direct conflict with God's word and if you support the man you support his stance on homosexuality...
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As far as Obama's stance on other issues, other than his abortion stance (which is a non issue for me as you know), I agree with him 100% on the issues I have read about: environment, Iraq war, health care, taxes.
You are for whatever he is for if you vote for him, even those things you say you don't agree with, or his ungodly stance on homosexuality... Can't parcel out your vote and pick and choose what you support...
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3) You question Obama because of his pastor's words. I question Palin because of her OWN words - HUGE difference. She described the Iraq war as a task that is from God.
I question Obama's words and the church he sat in for 20 years and only left when it messed up his chances to be President. His stance on gays is partly from his former his church that recognizes gay unions... Do you agree that churches should recognizes unions?
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Irregardless if you believe the war was just or not, IMHO, NO ONE, but God, should deem it a task of His.
According to what? Your statement ignores that fact it was a task of God and people in the bible declared it so... So to say NO ONE is too broad of a statement...
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4) When you vote, you are voting on a whole slew of issues, not one issue.
True.. When you vote for Obama you are voting for,abortion and gay rights as well as other things...
As for point four... You seem to have missed the point...
The bible says to remove a person from the church who will not repent, do you agree? See 1 Corinthians 5 for details...
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5) Obviously your opinion, not mine (thankfully).
You believe the homosexual lifestyle is of God? As well abortion?
What about pedophiles, can they be Christians as well? Is there ever a place where the mouthed confession and the actions of the person collide in your opinion? Or all one has to do is say they believe in Christ and no matter how they conduct themselves they are whatever they claim?
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/13/2008 7:38:32 PM
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2) I have already told you before, gay rights is not an issue that concerns me.
Really... I don't recall... Of course your desire to ignore it doesn't remove the fact his stance and the comments he has made are in direct conflict with God's word and if you support the man you support his stance on homosexuality...
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As far as Obama's stance on other issues, other than his abortion stance (which is a non issue for me as you know), I agree with him 100% on the issues I have read about: environment, Iraq war, health care, taxes.
You are for whatever he is for if you vote for him, even those things you say you don't agree with, or his ungodly stance on homosexuality... Can't parcel out your vote and pick and choose what you support...
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3) You question Obama because of his pastor's words. I question Palin because of her OWN words - HUGE difference. She described the Iraq war as a task that is from God.
I question Obama's words and the church he sat in for 20 years and only left when it messed up his chances to be President. His stance on gays is partly from his former his church that recognizes gay unions... Do you agree that churches should recognizes unions?
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Irregardless if you believe the war was just or not, IMHO, NO ONE, but God, should deem it a task of His.
According to what? Your statement ignores that fact it was a task of God and people in the bible declared it so... So to say NO ONE is too broad of a statement...
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4) When you vote, you are voting on a whole slew of issues, not one issue.
True.. When you vote for Obama you are voting for,abortion and gay rights as well as other things...
As for point four... You seem to have missed the point...
The bible says to remove a person from the church who will not repent, do you agree? See 1 Corinthians 5 for details...
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5) Obviously your opinion, not mine (thankfully).
You believe the homosexual lifestyle is of God? As well abortion?
What about pedophiles, can they be Christians as well? Is there ever a place where the mouthed confession and the actions of the person collide in your opinion? Or all one has to do is say they believe in Christ and no matter how they conduct themselves they are whatever they claim?
1) (formerly 2)) Again, gay rights is not a concern to me. I don't vote on this issue.
2) I know what I vote for John, don't presume to tell me what I'm voting for.
3) I see - you're getting off topic because I said Palin described the Iraq war as a task that is from God. Obama has not uttered such a thing - and now you're bring this up again. And now that we're on this topic, and Palin, here is what she had say about it last night:
"GIBSON: Homosexuality, genetic or learned?
PALIN: Oh, I don't -- I don't know, but I'm not one to judge and, you know, I'm from a family and from a community with many, many members of many diverse backgrounds and I'm not going to judge someone on whether they believe that homosexuality is a choice or genetic. I'm not going to judge them. ..."
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=5795641&page=7
4) John, who told Palin that the Iraq war is a task from God? Did God tell her directly?
5) I know why I'm voting for Obama, and it aint' those Unless, of course, you think that you are me...and there's a pink elephant in your room
6) I believe as McCAin and Bush do - that abortion should be legal ONLY in cases of rape, incest, mothers life endangerment. And, again, I don't think that issue matters in this election - and, again, there is an entire thread devoted to this where people express my same sentiment. I really do not see the advantage to bringing this up again, John. You already know my stance. Do you think people find it beneficial to read the same things over and over and over again from the same people? Unreal...
And my point for 6) above is that I am eternally grateful that I am not judgemental like some.
Take care, Peace and God bless,
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/13/2008 8:03:47 PM
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macokjc
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"I'm not going tell you who to vote for, but if you vote for this particular person, I question your salvation.”
Forgive the interuption - but I still can't believe we are still discussing this. A pastor is free to way what he wants, and a member must decide whether or not to stay there. Palin, left awhile ago. Obama, only left when the story hit the fan.
You know what - I agree with this Pastor. The Bible says that "by their fruits ye will know them." We cannot see your heart, but we can see what you hang on your door. There - I said it. I'm tired of the tip-toeing around. I don't mean to hurt any feelings, but quite frankly I am entitled to my opinion, as you are yours. NOTHING has shocked me more than listening to Christians on this site support Obama. NOTHING. I am shocked beyond belief that people who profess Christ as their Savior are more concerned with socialism than the teaching of the Bible. I am disgusted beyond belief at the turn this country has taken, and saddened that the Christian community does not seem to stand for much anymore.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/13/2008 8:27:56 PM
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psalm116
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ORIGINAL: Lizahana
2) I have already told you before, gay rights is not an issue that concerns me.
Why?
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/13/2008 8:40:11 PM
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psalm116
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ORIGINAL: macokjc
You know what - I agree with this Pastor. The Bible says that "by their fruits ye will know them." We cannot see your heart, but we can see what you hang on your door. There - I said it. I'm tired of the tip-toeing around. I don't mean to hurt any feelings, but quite frankly I am entitled to my opinion, as you are yours. NOTHING has shocked me more than listening to Christians on this site support Obama. NOTHING. I am shocked beyond belief that people who profess Christ as their Savior are more concerned with socialism than the teaching of the Bible. I am disgusted beyond belief at the turn this country has taken, and saddened that the Christian community does not seem to stand for much anymore.
mac, you are right, but don't you believe that Christians sin and sometimes "wander in the wilderness"? Don't you think that possibly Obama could be saved, but has been deceived by greed and power and is in a time of "wandering in the wilderness"? I'm not saying this is true, I'm saying it's a possiblity because he comes from a background of The Truth.
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"I love the Lord because He hears my voice and my supplications. Because He has inclined His ear to me, Therefore I shall call upon Him as long as I live."
~Psalm 116:1,2
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