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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 12:18:01 PM
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SwedishCovenant
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Can you copy and paste them for us?
"I'm not going tell you who to vote for, but if you vote for this particular person, I question your salvation.”
"I hate criticisms towards the President," he said, "because it's like criticisms towards the pastor -- it's almost like, it's not going to get you anywhere, you know, except for hell.”
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 12:22:21 PM
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Can you copy and paste them for us?
"I'm not going tell you who to vote for, but if you vote for this particular person, I question your salvation.”
"I hate criticisms towards the President," he said, "because it's like criticisms towards the pastor -- it's almost like, it's not going to get you anywhere, you know, except for hell.”
Yeah, that's RIDICULOUS. Jesus would not say that. First, we do not live in a theocracy. The time when God annoited His leaders in the OT is over. Only, then, did we have true theocracy and it was God's will to have a particular leader rule.
In modern times and democracy...we elect who we see best. No person is going to be completely perfect and no political party is completely Christian, nor anti-Christian.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 12:27:35 PM
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"I'm not going tell you who to vote for, but if you vote for this particular person, I question your salvation.”
"I hate criticisms towards the President," he said, "because it's like criticisms towards the pastor -- it's almost like, it's not going to get you anywhere, you know, except for hell.”
Well there you go - Ed Kalnins, Palin's pastor for three years before she left, apparently doesn't like Democrats (though, in all fairness, the latter comment could apply to Democrats too)
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 12:28:40 PM
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Yeah, that's RIDICULOUS. Jesus would not say that. First, we do not live in a theocracy. The time when God annoited His leaders in the OT is over. Only, then, did we have true theocracy and it was God's will to have a particular leader rule.
In modern times and democracy...we elect who we see best. No person is going to be completely perfect and no political party is completely Christian, nor anti-Christian.
That's not to say we cannot try to analyze which candidate is most in line with Biblical principles, but that no candidate or political party has the absolute explicit annoiting of God.
In terms of the pastors comments, like I said, they sounded someowhat like Pat Robertson. ...I dislike those condemnations of people's souls to Hell for voting one way instead of another; I don't think Christ sees it that way. No party is perfectly Christian, so in each party you can find things that are not in line with God and therefore if we follow the pastor's logic, then all would go to Hell if we voted at all.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 12:34:29 PM
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The Huffington Post is an awful source. ON par with the Daily Kos. End of story.
As someone not familiar with that source, is there any particular reason it's bad? Has it been shown to have false journalism?..Or just differing opinions? ....?
Among other sick practices, the Huffington Post is known for celebrating Tony Snow's cancer and death.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 12:37:08 PM
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It means that this particular campaign tactic is one the Republicans threw themselves into, wholeheartedly, just a few months ago, and now whine like dogs with their tails under rocking chairs when the same practice is applied to Republicans.
The GOP INVITED this sort of scrutiny. Why act surprised when the offer is accepted?
Grab the popcorn, this next two months is going to be epic.
The hate America association that Obama faithfully attended became an issue during the Democratic primary.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 12:38:07 PM
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another excerpt..there's more in that article if you read through:
In his sermons, Pastor Kalnins has also expressed beliefs that, while not directly political, lie outside of mainstream Christian thought.
He preaches repeatedly about the "end times" or "last days," an apocalyptic prophesy held by a small but vocal group of Christian leaders. During his appearance with Palin in June, he declared, "I believe Alaska is one of the refuge states in the last days, and hundreds of thousands of people are going to come to the state to seek refuge and the church has to be ready to minister to them."
He also claims to have received direct "words of knowledge" from God, providing him information about past events in other people's lives. During one sermon, he described being paired with a complete stranger during a golf outing. "I said, I'm a minister from Alaska and I want you to know that your wife left you -- you know that your wife left you and that the Lord is gonna defend you in a very short time, and it wasn't your fault. And the man drops his clubs, he literally was about to tee off and he dropped his clubs, and he says, 'Who the blank are you?' And I says, 'well, I'm a minister.' He says, 'how do you know about my life? What do you know?' And I started giving him more of the word of knowledge to his life and he was freaked out."
Kalnins has, of course, preached on a bevy of topics ranging from humility to "overcoming bitterness." But the more controversial remarks reported above were not out of the norm, appearing in numerous sermons spanning the four years of available recordings.
As to how controversial this might be, it's up to you. Many of the statements from Palin's pastor are not way way out there, but still non-mainstream Christianity. As bad as Jeremiah Wright?...no. But not mainstream Chrisitanity either (particularly the previously posted excertps about people going to Hell for voting one way...or at least the accusatory tone the pastor used.)
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 12:41:49 PM
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html
How does this compare with Obama's church?
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The church runs a number of ministries providing help to poor neighborhoods, care for children in need, and general community services. But Pastor Kalnins has also preached that critics of President Bush will be banished to hell; questioned whether people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to heaven; charged that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and war in Iraq were part of a war "contending for your faith;" and said that Jesus "operated from that position of war mode."
In Obama's association you could hear "God d--- America," and be taught that AIDS was invented by America to kill black people.
I've often wondered why anyone would need a new method to kill blacks? We have abortion, liberal's favorite big business.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 12:43:15 PM
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As to how controversial this might be, it's up to you. Many of the statements from Palin's pastor are not way way out there, but still non-mainstream Christianity. As bad as Jeremiah Wright?...no. But not mainstream Chrisitanity either (particularly the previously posted excertps about people going to Hell for voting one way...or at least the accusatory tone the pastor used.)
Well, he is obviously wrong here, because I have from a good source that Minnesota will be the refuge in the last days, and those of you that are fleeing, you are free to come to my house...for coffee.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 12:48:05 PM
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Let me guess - you "listened to some of (Wright's) sermons on the Internet" - the ones that someone else selected for you to hear, and, for all we know, edited into the bargain.
My question is, if you have to travel to back country Alaska to "sit in the pew of that church (your)self " to determine whether or not you agree with the religious views of Palin's congregation/pastor, why not take the much easier trip to Chicago in order to extend the same courtesy to Wright?
Or was it just easier to let somebody else decide for you how to think?
Just a question - did you insist on hearing Wright's 'full sermons' as you are insisting on hearing 'full sermons' from Palin's pastor?
Excellent point. Context is critical, so is the entire witness of a church. Imagine what would happen if we interpreted the scriptures using 'youtube' method: splicing a few outrageous verses together with no context, selecting only what we want to serve our point. Oh, wait, we don't have to 'imagine' this, the new militant Atheists do it.
We've now gotten to the point that, in our craze to personally destroy political candidates, we try and destroy their churches too. Now, I condemn what Rev. Wright said too, but before we throw stones, we need to listen to the entire speech. Listen to ten minutes 'God Damn America' speech and you'll see it in a different light. Again, I don't agree with it, but you'll understand his point the way he meant it, which is very different. I'll bet the same would be true of Gov. Palin's church.
But, bigger point:
If politicians are held responsible and tarred-and-feathered for everything that goes on in the church they attend, guess what: politicians aren't going to go to church!!!!
Then, we'll be lead by men and women who aren't part of Christ's Church. Our leaders won't be getting fed weekly with sermons and christian fellowship and group bible study. Is that what we want? To be lead by people a groupl of people who don't go to Church?
Now sure, they can still watch TBN or EWTN on tv, and maybe they'll take time to read the bible on their own, but really,those can't replace for being an active part of the Christian Church. And, we all know what tends to happen to people who stop going to church.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 12:48:22 PM
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The Huffington Post is an awful source. ON par with the Daily Kos. End of story.
As someone not familiar with that source, is there any particular reason it's bad? Has it been shown to have false journalism?..Or just differing opinions? ....?
Among other sick practices, the Huffington Post is known for celebrating Tony Snow's cancer and death.
So true... She is truly Sick and needs prayer. And as I stated earlier....??????
WHY WOULD WE LISTEN TO EXCERPTS FROM A HOLLYWOOD PROFESSING LOVER... SHE IS OPPOSED TO ANYTHING THE CHURCH STANDS FOR. SHE JUST WROTE A BOOK CALLED "RIGHT IS WRONG".
OF COURSE, SHE WOULD WANT TO LACED PALINS REPUTATION AND ANY CHURCH ANY OF US WOULD ATTEND WITH PROGANDA AND LIES.
IN FACT, HERE IS A EXCERPT OF AN NEWS ARTICLE ABOUT HUFFINGTON HERSELF. FOR YOU SEE THE HUFFINGTON POST IS ARIANNA HUFFINGTON'S WEBSITE AND BLOG.
SHE IS ON THE WAR PATH AND HAVE A GRUDGE AGAINST BUSH... AN ANY REPUBLICAN.
I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN NOR DEMOCRAT... I JUST A RESPONSIBLE CHRISTIAN.
ANYWAY, SHE IS HUFFING MAD AND WOULD SAY ANYTHING TO SLANDER PALIN OR MCCAIN. IF ONE HAS NO CONVICTION, RESPONSIBLITY TO TRUTH... THEN THEY THINK NOTHING OF LYING AND TWISTING TRUTH.
AS FAR AS BUSH GOES... I WILL PRAY FOR ANYONE GOD PUTS IN OFFICE. AND YEP... I DID VOTE FOR HIM. KERRY IS WORSE THAN OBAMA OR CLINTON. AND THAT IS NOT SAYING MUCH. ANYWAY, NOW LET'S GET ONE TRUTH RIGHT. THE BUSH ADMISTRATION DID NOT REALLY CARE FOR MCCAIN. HE WAS A THORN IN HIS SIDE.
THEY WOULD NOT AGREE WITH SEVERAL OF THINGS. THE SURGE WAS MCCAINS IDEA AND HE DID NOT LISTEN TO FEAR, HE REFUSE TO SAY WE WERE LOSING AND WE ARE COMING HOME VICTORS. WHY LEAVE AFTER WE GOT THERE, AT LEAST LEAVE VICTORIOUS. HE LEFT HIS LAST STATION IN A WAR GAME (AS PRISIONER OF WAR) VICTORIOUS, WAS NOT GOING TO DIE IN SHAME AND TRUSTED THAT HE WOULD COME HOME AGAIN. AND FOR FORMER PRESIDENT CARTER WHO NEVER BEEN IN SUCH A SITUATION SHOULD REPENT ON BENDED NEEDS FOR SUCH A STATEMENT HE MADE ABOUT MCCAIN MILKING THAT FACT. COULD YOU OR I STAY IN SUCH A PLACE... I DON'T THINK EVEN A MONTH COULD BE BEARABLE.
LOOK THIS MAN UNDERSTANDS WAR... AND HE WOULD NOT JUST SEND PEOPLE TO WAR FOR THE HECK OF IT. HE KNOWS THE PAIN OF DEATH AND IMPRISONMENT. CAN CLINTON, OBAMA, KERRY OR EVEN BUSH SAY THE SAME THING. THIS MAN VALUES THE LIFE AND THE SAFETY OF ALL PEOPLE.
IN FACT, I WANT SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTAND WHAT STAYING IN UNION WITH ISRAEL. AMERICA IS THE ESTHER TO ISRAEL. DON'T FORGET GOD TOLD ESTHER... IF YOU DON'T STAND IN THE GAP FOR YOUR PEOPLE... A WORSE FATE WILL COME UPON YOU. THE ATTACK AGAINST THE SMALL COUNTRY IS OUR BUSINESS. THAT IS WHY AMERICA IS BLESSED. THOSE WHO BLESS THE LINEAGE OF JESUS CHRIST (ISRAEL) WILL BE BLESSED.
BEFORE I BECAME A CHRISTIAN I USED TO HERE AMERICA WILL NOT EXIST IN THE LAST DAYS OF SUPER POWERS. NOW I'M BEGINNING TO SEE WHY THAT IS POSSIBLE. IF WE TURN OUR BACKS ON ISRAEL... GOD WILL TURN HIS BACK ON US. THE HEDGE OF PROTECTION WILL COME DOWN. WHAT WE EXPERIENCE WAS JUST A SPIT IN THE BUCKET.
WE NEED SOMEONE WHO IS NOT AFRAID TO PROTECT OUR BORDERS AND WHO UNDERSTAND WHO STANDS AT THE PORTS THE GATES OF AMERICA. THEY DO NOT COME IN PEACE. THE ARE ALREADY LACED WTIHIN THE FABRIC OF OUR CITIES AND ECONOMY... JUST WAITING FOR OUR MILITARY FORCES TO BE REDUCED AND THEN THEY WILL TAKE OVER BY FORCE... IN FACT, WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PRAISE THE LORD FREELY.
BE CAREFUL WHO YOU CHOSE TO BELIEVED. HOLLYWOOD IS DECEIVED... THOUGH THEY ARE BUILT UPON THOSE WHO ARE OF THE JEWISH FAITH. THEY DO NOT KNOW THE TRUE GOD THEMSELVES. THEY ARE DECEIVED AND CARE NOT FOR THE THINGS OF GOD... NOT EVEN ISRAEL.
AGAIN, BELOW READ THE WORD OF SOMEONE WHO HAS NO LOVE FOR THE THINGS OF GOD.
SO PLEASE ENJOY EVERYONE. REMEMBER WE ALL ARE RESPONSIBLE TO SEEK OUT THE SOURCE. ALL EVILS SOURCE IS SATAN. BAD PRESS AND MEDIA IS JUST HIS TOOLS OF RESOURCES. ********************************************************
Arianna Huffington on the 'lunatic fringe'
By Joe Garofoli of the The Chronicle
Saturday, April 26, 2008
The translation from Huffington Post founder Arianna Huffington is implicit in the unwieldy title of her new book, "Right Is Wrong: How the Lunatic Fringe Hijacked America, Shredded the Constitution, and Made Us All Less Safe (And What You Need to Know to End the Madness)."
To the 57-year-old nouveau liberal publisher, the Clinton campaign's "fearmongering" tactics show that it has succumbed to the same forces that have crippled the mainstream media and many politicians. This argument has been well ploughed elsewhere, including daily on the left-leaning "HuffPo": Because the mainstream media have not been critical enough - particularly of the Bush administration's reasons for invading Iraq - Americans have been misinformed and cowed into inaction and an unhealthy embrace of far-right-wing ideals.
What makes "Right Is Wrong" different from similar tomes is the unusual political journey of its Greek-born author. In the past dozen years, Huffington has transformed herself from an SUV-driving Republican married to ex-GOP multimillionaire congressman Michael Huffington into a Prius-driving founder of a Web site that is helping to transform the media landscape, largely by ripping the right. It was only 16 years ago that she contributed to President George H.W. Bush's re-election campaign. Huffington, born Arianna Stassinopoulos, divorced Huffington in 1997.
To the surprise of those who dismissed Huffington as an air-kissing Hollywood schmoozer, the HuffPo has become a liberal must-read. It drew 5.2 million visitors in March, according to Nielsen Online. That's a 350 percent traffic increase over last year, more than most major newspaper sites and the online goliath, the Drudge Report. It could report $7.5 million in revenues this year, and its editorial and advertising staff has expanded to 50.
Later this spring, the HuffPo will further expand its vision, adding a local news section in several cities, beginning with Chicago. (Huffington says the Bay Area could be added later.) The reporters, as is the case with HuffPo's 1,800 bloggers, would be unpaid.
They are unpaid, Huffington says, "but also they have no requirements. They write when they want to write, they write when the spirit moves them. We provide a platform, we provide attention, we provide technology."
One of those unpaid bloggers, Oakland resident Mayhill Fowler, broke the story this month on HuffPo about Obama's description at a San Francisco fundraiser of "bitter" voters, which changed the dynamic of the campaign. Huffington said she had no problem running the story, even though she supports Obama. The site has not endorsed a candidate.
Huffington believes that the problem with the mainstream media isn't its ideology, it's that traditional outlets provide "equal time" to differing viewpoints, even when those viewpoints don't have equal merit.
"It's about facts and reality and truth," she says. "Global warming is not about ideology. How the war in Iraq is doing is not about ideology. It's not a question of right or left. That's another problem with the media is that they want to present everything as right versus left. In fact, it is right versus wrong."
While she scarcely mentions Clinton or Obama in her book, during a Chronicle podcast this week, Huffington lets loose on how Clinton's campaign has come to resemble one borrowed "from Karl Rove's playbook."
Between Clinton's 3 a.m. TV ad and her more recent advertisement featuring images of Osama bin Laden, Huffington says the right "has hijacked many political leaders. How else do you explain Hillary Clinton using the fear card?"
Huffington's 331-page book brims with diatribes against right-wingers. She recounts her epiphany about provocative commentator Ann Coulter after appearing with her on the Fox News Channel in 2006. Coulter, Huffington writes, is "the right-wing punditry's equivalent of crack or crystal meth. She's highly addictive - giving users the delirious, giddy high of outrageousness. But then the buzz wears off and they come crashing down, their spirits shriveled, their souls poisoned."
She used to be a fan of McCain, the presumptive GOP presidential nominee. But he has since "sold out" and shifted his positions to ones closer to Bush, she says. "This is a man who shouldn't be allowed to hold sharp scissors, let alone run for president of the United States, and Democrats and the media have a huge responsibility in exposing all that to the public," Huffington says.
The problem lies with the Beltway media's A-list, she argues. Tim Russert, host of NBC's "Meet the Press," is skewered in the book for letting his guests off the hook too easily. She calls ABC's George Stephanopoulos and Charles Gibson, "self-loathing liberals who have internalized the right-wing talking points" for asking questions about flag pins and Obama's pastor instead of about policy in a recent Democratic debate. The Washington Post's Bob Woodward is "the dumb blond of American journalism" for failing to connect the dots in the run-up to the Iraq war.
But while Huffington is pointed in her critiques, she offers few remedies. When asked about how the mainstream media can improve its failing business model, the founder of a booming Web site offers little more than "there has to be a lot more emphasis online."
Same goes for her political criticisms. She offers only a 2 1/2-page chapter at the end of the book on "Righting the Wrongs of the Right."
Since the media and politicians won't take on a watchdog role, "the most important remedy is the recognition that we can't just look to our leaders to solve this," she says. "That each one of us has that responsibility."
But she does have some advice for Obama on how to take on Clinton.
"Obama needs to convince the people he has not yet convinced that he will keep them safe," she says. "This is an appeal to the public's lizard brain. That part of our brain that is not rational, that responds to fear. Obama needs to respond to that, too."
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 12:52:58 PM
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While I thik the Huffington Post critiques are interesting, I do not think they should take-over the thread and it's original issue.
Let's get it back to the issue of Palin's pastor and church. There have been several excellent exhanges of views and thoughts that have served to hopefully better clarify the issue...but let's return to the issue and not get too side-tracked. 
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 12:55:11 PM
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Can you copy and paste them for us?
"I'm not going tell you who to vote for, but if you vote for this particular person, I question your salvation.”
"I hate criticisms towards the President," he said, "because it's like criticisms towards the pastor -- it's almost like, it's not going to get you anywhere, you know, except for hell.”
Ops sorry..I sure missed that and thought was about AG and Pentecostalism etc in the eyes of someone outside the faith etc, yeh I confess not read the article but the tittle...
Its sure out of the line "vote salvation" and it reads a "not touch God's annointed" approach congregation, yes it may be not uncommom interpretation of manipulation leadership, noways.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 1:18:29 PM
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THEN AGAIN, THAT SOUNDS LIKE OBAMA'S ADMIRERS CALLING FOUL, AFTER THEY TRIED TO POLLUTE THE MEDIA WITH LIES ON PALIN.
DON'T GIVE AN ARTICLE WITHOUT ALLOWING US TO KNOW THE SOURCE.
WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DISCERN TRUTH FROM LIES... ESPECIALLY FROM THE AUTHOR OF "RIGHT IS WRONG".
Sure, of course.
Still the fact is: there are lots of false doctrines going on particular comming from neo-pentecostal groups. The truth was already given to us, is contained in the Scriptures. We must fight for the faith as the Bible says so.
The source we already know, still there are false doctrine easy to spot nowdays. I'm not even taking Mrs Palin into consideration but what that specific Pastor on that congregation is preaching, he is the teacher not Mrs. Palin.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 1:21:59 PM
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It means that this particular campaign tactic is one the Republicans threw themselves into, wholeheartedly, just a few months ago, and now whine like dogs with their tails under rocking chairs when the same practice is applied to Republicans.
The GOP INVITED this sort of scrutiny. Why act surprised when the offer is accepted?
Grab the popcorn, this next two months is going to be epic.
The GOP put Obama in a apostate church? Did they drug him? Some sorta CIA mind control thing?
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 1:27:41 PM
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Let me guess - you "listened to some of (Wright's) sermons on the Internet" - the ones that someone else selected for you to hear, and, for all we know, edited into the bargain.
My question is, if you have to travel to back country Alaska to "sit in the pew of that church (your)self " to determine whether or not you agree with the religious views of Palin's congregation/pastor, why not take the much easier trip to Chicago in order to extend the same courtesy to Wright?
Or was it just easier to let somebody else decide for you how to think?
Just a question - did you insist on hearing Wright's 'full sermons' as you are insisting on hearing 'full sermons' from Palin's pastor?
The sermons were available via the TUCC website (hosted by a 3rd party IIRC). I said sit in the pew or hear the sermon. Actually I ended up closing the application when I grew so angry I wanted to spit fire.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 1:28:03 PM
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another excerpt..there's more in that article if you read through:
In his sermons, Pastor Kalnins has also expressed beliefs that, while not directly political, lie outside of mainstream Christian thought.
He preaches repeatedly about the "end times" or "last days," an apocalyptic prophesy held by a small but vocal group of Christian leaders. During his appearance with Palin in June, he declared, "I believe Alaska is one of the refuge states in the last days, and hundreds of thousands of people are going to come to the state to seek refuge and the church has to be ready to minister to them."
He also claims to have received direct "words of knowledge" from God, providing him information about past events in other people's lives. During one sermon, he described being paired with a complete stranger during a golf outing. "I said, I'm a minister from Alaska and I want you to know that your wife left you -- you know that your wife left you and that the Lord is gonna defend you in a very short time, and it wasn't your fault. And the man drops his clubs, he literally was about to tee off and he dropped his clubs, and he says, 'Who the blank are you?' And I says, 'well, I'm a minister.' He says, 'how do you know about my life? What do you know?' And I started giving him more of the word of knowledge to his life and he was freaked out."
Kalnins has, of course, preached on a bevy of topics ranging from humility to "overcoming bitterness." But the more controversial remarks reported above were not out of the norm, appearing in numerous sermons spanning the four years of available recordings.
As to how controversial this might be, it's up to you. Many of the statements from Palin's pastor are not way way out there, but still non-mainstream Christianity. As bad as Jeremiah Wright?...no. But not mainstream Chrisitanity either (particularly the previously posted excertps about people going to Hell for voting one way...or at least the accusatory tone the pastor used.)
I limited my response to the two direct quotes from Kalinin in the article. i did not ignore or not read the rest of the statements attibuted, I merely omitted them from my response because they were not direct quotes.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 1:33:32 PM
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The Huffington Post is an awful source. ON par with the Daily Kos. End of story.
As someone not familiar with that source, is there any particular reason it's bad? Has it been shown to have false journalism?..Or just differing opinions? ....?
Among other sick practices, the Huffington Post is known for celebrating Tony Snow's cancer and death.
Here is the Huffington post obit article on Snow.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/12/tony-snow-former-bush-pre_n_112295.html
Please identify those statements which you consider to be "celebrating Tony Snow's cancer and death."
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 1:34:15 PM
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stamper_ben
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While I thik the Huffington Post critiques are interesting, I do not think they should take-over the thread and it's original issue.
Let's get it back to the issue of Palin's pastor and church. There have been several excellent exhanges of views and thoughts that have served to hopefully better clarify the issue...but let's return to the issue and not get too side-tracked.
Wait a minute. Aren't you using quotes from the HP article yourself? If you are quoting the article there, then critiques of the site are open game.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/5/2008 1:34:49 PM
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THEN AGAIN, THAT SOUNDS LIKE OBAMA'S ADMIRERS CALLING FOUL, AFTER THEY TRIED TO POLLUTE THE MEDIA WITH LIES ON PALIN.
DON'T GIVE AN ARTICLE WITHOUT ALLOWING US TO KNOW THE SOURCE.
WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DISCERN TRUTH FROM LIES... ESPECIALLY FROM THE AUTHOR OF "RIGHT IS WRONG".
Sure, of course.
Still the fact is: there are lots of false doctrines going on particular comming from neo-pentecostal groups. The truth was already given to us, is contained in the Scriptures. We must fight for the faith as the Bible says so.
The source we already know, still there are false doctrine easy to spot nowdays. I'm not even taking Mrs Palin into consideration but what that specific Pastor on that congregation is preaching, he is the teacher not Mrs. Palin.
Well, I've never heard of her Pastor. So I can not speak about him. I've heard of Huffington and seen her on interviews... I've heard her arrogant ideologies.
As far as Churches and false doctrine... there are many out there is true.
And when we see such we are to pray for the deceived. I know I've prayed Pastor Wright for the god he preaches about... Is certainly not the God I know.
The bottom line is let us not make politics our god either. Pray for the peace of Jerusalem and Pray the Lord will select through the hands of His people and others at the voting booth to select the man He knows will stay on the course to shift this nation to walk in obedience to His will. In my heart I believe the Lord is say 'SELECT MCCAIN/PALIN' for such a time as this.
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