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Is The Church Contributing To The Obesity Rate?


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gaylel1 -> Is The Church Contributing To The Obesity Rate? (9/4/2008 4:37:10 PM)

As churches have pot lucks and other events involving food, has the churches contribute to the obesity rate? The reason why that I am posting this is because I'm am listening to Michael Baisden right now (he's a nationally known urban talk show host) and two of his guests, Dr. Ian Smith and Dr. Fredrick Haynes and they came to the conclusion that the reason why many of the church members who are getting fatter and contributing to the obesity rate is the way the food is cooked (this include the staple, Fried Chicken), a lack of exercize programs in the church and church members die at an alarming rate because of too much emphais on eating at church functions.

Agree or disagree?



Szaftoo -> RE: Is The Church Contributing To The Obesity Rate? (9/4/2008 5:34:58 PM)

I disagree. Just because it's there doesn't mean a person has to eat it.



OLEEguacamole -> RE: Is The Church Contributing To The Obesity Rate? (9/4/2008 5:38:51 PM)

so why is there a problem now when churches and everyone else were eating fried chicken back in the fifties too (etc) ?

it's something else.

i think some people are too lazy to learn about complex health issues, and find it easier to say people are sinning.



Consecrated2God -> RE: Is The Church Contributing To The Obesity Rate? (9/4/2008 5:39:47 PM)

I think the Church is going right along with culture on this one. Why do we have to eat everytime we get together, anyway?



JimboFletch -> RE: Is The Church Contributing To The Obesity Rate? (9/4/2008 5:40:02 PM)

Our church has a fitness center with walking & running tracks, basketball and handball courts, a well-stocked weight room, and several machines (treadmill, eliptical, etc.) There are also various organized sports for young and old.

I prefer speed-walking outdoors, but when the weather is bad I take advantage of the fitness center.



OLEEguacamole -> RE: Is The Church Contributing To The Obesity Rate? (9/4/2008 5:50:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Consecrated2God

I think the Church is going right along with culture on this one. Why do we have to eat everytime we get together, anyway?

eating when gathering together goes all the way back to bible times. it's going to extend to heaven.



Consecrated2God -> RE: Is The Church Contributing To The Obesity Rate? (9/4/2008 6:12:42 PM)

[:)]

I agree...but it's not just eating, it's gluttony most of the time. Gluttony is probably the least preached about sin in this country.



gaylel1 -> RE: Is The Church Contributing To The Obesity Rate? (9/4/2008 6:15:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

Our church has a fitness center with walking & running tracks, basketball and handball courts, a well-stocked weight room, and several machines (treadmill, eliptical, etc.) There are also various organized sports for young and old.

I prefer speed-walking outdoors, but when the weather is bad I take advantage of the fitness center.



See, I just wish every church like yours have that. I wish every church educate people, then they can have those cooking programs, especially in the inner city where it is a high influx of heart diease. See, most of the people don't know how to cook healthy because everything is around food, but it should be a balance as well. A balance of health education. And yes, the faith based community should help because goverment is not going to do it for you.



OLEEguacamole -> RE: Is The Church Contributing To The Obesity Rate? (9/4/2008 6:18:11 PM)

well as discussed in other threads at times...i don't think overeating at a meal is gluttony. i don't see it in the bible. gluttony is a part of a description of rebellious, godless people. it's not used to describe a vice of God-fearing people.

i think the weight issues more often have to do with the increase of hormones in meat and milk, and hormone like chemicals in our everyday lives, chemicals that our body thinks is estrogen, a fat holding hormone. and high fructose corn syrup, etc.

along with lifestyle changes that keep us from being as naturally moving and active as we should be.



OLEEguacamole -> RE: Is The Church Contributing To The Obesity Rate? (9/4/2008 6:20:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: gaylel1

quote:

ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

Our church has a fitness center with walking & running tracks, basketball and handball courts, a well-stocked weight room, and several machines (treadmill, eliptical, etc.) There are also various organized sports for young and old.

I prefer speed-walking outdoors, but when the weather is bad I take advantage of the fitness center.



See, I just wish every church like yours have that. I wish every church educate people, then they can have those cooking programs, especially in the inner city where it is a high influx of heart diease. See, most of the people don't know how to cook healthy because everything is around food, but it should be a balance as well. A balance of health education. And yes, the faith based community should help because goverment is not going to do it for you.

i do agree that as a community of people, a church can be a part of education and encouragement healthwise. but it often disolves into sin pointing and that brings harm and division.



Consecrated2God -> RE: Is The Church Contributing To The Obesity Rate? (9/4/2008 6:42:25 PM)

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well as discussed in other threads at times...i don't think overeating at a meal is gluttony. i don't see it in the bible. gluttony is a part of a description of rebellious, godless people. it's not used to describe a vice of God-fearing people.


I don't really think I've been involved in a weight thread recently. Are you saying that a Christian can't be a glutton?



OLEEguacamole -> RE: Is The Church Contributing To The Obesity Rate? (9/4/2008 6:48:11 PM)

yes. all uses of that concept/word in the bible are part of a profile of rebellious people. it's part of a list of vices. it's not the concept of eating too many calories.



his_chosen -> RE: Is The Church Contributing To The Obesity Rate? (9/4/2008 6:57:25 PM)

I remember pot luck dinners being a big part of the church where I grew up. So church and food go way back for me. I don't see the church being responsible for obesity. The only way a person gets fat is by consuming more calories than they burn. It comes down to personal choices.



Consecrated2God -> RE: Is The Church Contributing To The Obesity Rate? (9/4/2008 6:58:50 PM)

Well, I disagree that a Christian can't be a glutton. I've met a few of them. I'm related to more than one.



OLEEguacamole -> RE: Is The Church Contributing To The Obesity Rate? (9/4/2008 6:59:51 PM)

what would you describe as a glutton?



Consecrated2God -> RE: Is The Church Contributing To The Obesity Rate? (9/4/2008 7:12:06 PM)

Someone who's always first in line for the food and takes a lot more than he needs, eats like it's going to get away, and goes back for more. Someone who doesn't think about leaving some for other people. Someone who eats until it hurts and then goes back and eats again. Someone who fills an extra plate to take home with him for a snack later on.

If you don't think Christians can be gluttons, do you think they also can't have the other vices in that list?



OLEEguacamole -> RE: Is The Church Contributing To The Obesity Rate? (9/4/2008 7:28:46 PM)

i do think christains can be voracious over eaters. it's usually a combination of things that get them to that pattern in life.

i just don't think it fits what the bible calls a gluttonous.

you're describing our culture's definition of glutton.



Consecrated2God -> RE: Is The Church Contributing To The Obesity Rate? (9/4/2008 7:38:48 PM)

Here's how ESword defines the word glutton:

Glutton; Gluttonous
glut´'n, glut´'n-us (זלל, zālal, “to be lavish”; φάγος, phágos): “Glutton” (from glut, to swallow greedily) is the translation of zōlēl from zālal, “to shake or pour out,” “to be lavish, a squanderer.” In Deu_21:20, “This our son ... is a glutton, and a drunkard,” the word may mean a squanderer or prodigal; the English Revised Version has “a riotous liver.” In Pro_23:21, “For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty” (following zōlē bhāsār, “squanderers of flesh,” the Revised Version (British and American) “gluttonous eaters of flesh”), “glutton” in the usual sense is intended; “a man gluttonous,” “a gluttonous man” (the Revised Version) (phagos, “an eater,” “a glutton”) was a term applied to Christ in His freedom from asceticism (Mat_11:19; Luk_7:34).
The Revised Version has “idle gluttons” (margin Greek, “bellies”) for “slow bellies” (Tit_1:12); “gluttonous” “gluttons,” for “riotous” (Pro_23:20; Pro_28:7).



OLEEguacamole -> RE: Is The Church Contributing To The Obesity Rate? (9/4/2008 8:02:24 PM)

if you read the verses, they talk about non believers in rebellion.



Miss Giggles -> RE: Is The Church Contributing To The Obesity Rate? (9/4/2008 8:24:00 PM)

No



letusreason -> RE: Is The Church Contributing To The Obesity Rate? (9/4/2008 10:33:33 PM)

Well lets see , every time I go to church I do eat doughnuts after I already ate breakfast.....but ....then again, I excercise nearly every day by doing yard work and walking my dog 2-3 miles couple times a week.

So I say no.

However, I do think sitting around and watching a lot of TV and playing video games is a big contributor to it.

And if you go to a restaurant and eat the whole portion....you are a pig, because restaurant size portions are oversized. I always end up taking home left overs.

Quit sitting around and get active is my advice , it works for me.



gaylel1 -> RE: Is The Church Contributing To The Obesity Rate? (9/5/2008 10:46:23 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: OLEEguacamole

so why is there a problem now when churches and everyone else were eating fried chicken back in the fifties too (etc) ?

it's something else.

i think some people are too lazy to learn about complex health issues, and find it easier to say people are sinning.


Well, it is a problem now because obesity is an alarming rate accross the country, and even among people who are going to church. Yes, you can say lack of excercize, even lack of programs and education about learning how to lose the weight and keep it off. My church has something called Weight Watchers. Programs like this should be at every church, even excerize programs.

But you see, the members of the body are afraid to speak up and I guess because they think that it is not of God, etc...



JerrynDolli -> RE: Is The Church Contributing To The Obesity Rate? (9/5/2008 11:02:10 AM)

I'm sorry to agree to disagree. But, every person is responsible for what they eat. I remember, in my singlehood, how many saints would go to places after Church to eat. These gatherings occurred after Church and not in the Churches banquet halls.

Many of the singles were bored and found satisfaction in feasting. I really can not articulate it, but, for some reason it is always about gathering around food.

Now I'm married and when we go to our Care Group Meetings. The host always have ice cream and cake. I choose to say no. And I do not feel guilty. This is my body and I not putting junk in it. I chose to encourage the group by sending articles on health and fitness. I even suggested working out with some of the ladies.

It is a choice and we all have to take owner ship of it. My first year of marriage I began to pick up weight because my husband loves to dine out all the time. I decided I can not eat the rich foods laced with many calories as he, for it added several pounds to my medium stature.

I choose to eat broil fish or chicken and light salads, never fried food nor rich deserts. We also, informed the waitress no sodas or appetizers. I remembered one waitress seemed offended because we stated we only wanted entree and a side salad. I informed her this way Americans are so obesed. All that food at one setting is ridiculous. We do not need those empty calories laced with sugars and bad fats.

So don't blame the Church...I don't blame the restaurants... I blame myself when I don't choose to make wish choices. It is our privilege to practice self-controll.

So let's encourage ourselves and one another to just say NO!

~Dolli



his_chosen -> RE: Is The Church Contributing To The Obesity Rate? (9/5/2008 11:03:20 AM)

Where is personal responsibility?!



zamdad -> RE: Is The Church Contributing To The Obesity Rate? (9/5/2008 1:18:48 PM)

No, the church is not a direct contributor. As has ben stated, the problem comes down to personal choices on what we eat and how much we exercize. Food and fellowship have always been coexistant and this will never change. The only thing that has changed over time is how we produce and prepare food. The other change is that we have become urbanized and lead sedintary lifestyles.

While programs are wonderful, when our focus becomes the program, we lose sight of the interpersonal relationships that become discipleship. We, as belivers, can help address the problem in church as well. Since most fellowship functions involving food are potluck, we can bring healthy foods to the table. When attending a potluck function or eating at a restaurant, we can make healthy decisions on types of food and portions.



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