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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 9/1/2008 6:42:14 PM
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chrisovery
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hey saved9021, hannah elizabeth is right in what she stated. the assumption of all this was put out in the open.
everyone, there isnt either candidate living the truth of the gospel no matter how we look at it. personally i would vote for mickey mouse before either one of these 2 candidates.
i think the saddest thing here and the things that we should truly be looking at is what is a leader? what are we truly voting for?
1. most are voting because of the race issue. race does not make or break who a leader is.
2. many others are voting do to political party. a strong leader is not in a political party.
that is only 2 things not including the many others.
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 9/1/2008 6:47:04 PM
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So does that go for McCain, then, too?
If his understanding of morality is messed up as the same as his understanding of theology, then yes, it does.
Both politicians suck.
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He specifically said that he believes (both personally and morally) that marriage is between a man and a woman.
That makes him a liar, then. Quoted making a profound statement that homosexuality is NOT immoral, and then later claiming that he "personally" believes it's between man and woman.
If he believed that all along, then why make a statement virtually saying that it's not immoral, when in fact, it is?
I'm not biting into the apple that the snake is trying to feed me.
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I know Christians whose walks I deeply respect who differ with me on abortion and gay rights. But these people with whom I differ lead ministries and people are coming to Christ due to their putting their faith into action.
If there faith is in pro-choice and the act of homosexuality being acceptable or "ok", then they don't belong anywhere near a pulpit.
< Message edited by DreadPirateRandy -- 9/1/2008 10:15:41 PM >
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 9/1/2008 7:01:03 PM
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So let's get back to the Jeremiah Wright issue I wrote about a few posts earlier....Has anyone got opinions about his pastor and racist church?
Was there possibly another thread on it I missed. This is my first day posting and reading current events. 
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 9/2/2008 3:01:40 AM
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I don't believe Christ, Himself, would stand and condone either the death penalty OR abortion. Unfortunately, I don't see many options with a lot of the politicians out there. Its either one or the other. Too bad both can't be done away with.
The bible called for the death penalty for many things so it's clear Christ stood and stands for it...
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I'm sorry, I know I'm going to take it on the shins in this area on this forum, but gay rights don't bother me either. I'm not going to condem them here on Earth for their sins, and their "rights" aren't going to affect me any. If God has a problem with them, He's the one true judge. HE will deal with them in His time.
If? God does have a problem with it... It's called sin...
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 9/2/2008 3:06:42 AM
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SovereignIsHe
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So now we've invented a new category of Christian. The "Truly Christian".
The Messiah B. Hussein O. The Wicked Unrighteous Ruler is NOT a Truly Christian even though he said he was because he doesn't act like one because he's a democrat, and McCain, who said he's not "born again" and has never been baptised and doesn't believe it's necessary, IS a Truly Christian cause he's a republican.
Case closed.
Can you reconcile Mrt Obama's stance on abortion and homosexuality with being a Christian?
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Oh yeah, and if a church say's something negative about America, or about white people or the republican party, that church is NOT a Truly Christian church and if one attends that church, they're NOT Truly Christians either.
Actually a church that recognizes same sex unions isn't a truly a Christian church, right Julius?
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 9/2/2008 3:27:23 AM
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SovereignIsHe
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Now, I don't think Jesus went around trying to condemn gay people.
He didn't have to, by their actions they condemn themselves...
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He hated the sin, not the people.
Not quite...
Psalms 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Psalms 11:5 The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
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He went where sinners lived, and tried to win them over. If He were on earth today, I just don't think He'd been protesting at an abortion clinic.
I think one's concern here should be what He will do on Judgment Day regarding abortion...
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I think He'd be reaching out to the people who are having sex out of marriage in the first place and trying to bring them into His fold. Many things went on during His time that were an abomination - but His harshest words were for Christians who spent all their time trying to figure out who else was a Christian and pick them apart. Those are the people who put Him to death.
The people that put him to death were not Christians... One who denies Christ is the Son of God cannot be called a Christians... The Jewish leadership that had the Romans put Christ to death because He claimed to be the Son of God, therefore God, so it clear they were not Christians...
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 9/2/2008 3:30:21 AM
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Anyone can be a Christian as long as they declare Jesus Christ Savior and Lord of their lives,
That's it? Simple declaration and you are in?
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 9/2/2008 3:32:30 AM
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SovereignIsHe
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Barack Obama lives the life of a Christian man. I know Christians whose walks I deeply respect who differ with me on abortion and gay rights. Because, for the record, I am a Christian who is pro-life and I believe that homosexuality is a sin.
If that is the case one can make the argument that a pedophile can be a Christian as well...
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 9/2/2008 8:11:37 AM
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Now, I don't think Jesus went around trying to condemn gay people.
He didn't have to, by their actions they condemn themselves...
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He hated the sin, not the people.
Not quite...
Psalms 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Psalms 11:5 The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
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It amaze me how some Christians know how to use scripture to support their view but destroy the entire teaching of scripture.
Do you know the “ life of Jesus” ? He was friend of sinner, he came for sinner, he died for sinner, he rescued the sinner.
If Christ was here today, he would not condemn the homosexual but say
“ Come to me , I will give you eternal life”
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 9/2/2008 8:36:31 AM
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He admitted he was wrong (and he was IMHO). Granted that is easier to do after you have the woman you wanted. I don't see how leaving her or divorcing her now would help the situation. I'm sure it would be unpleasant for their children just as McCain's original divorce was painful for John and Carol McCain's (maiden name Shepp) children.
So do you really think leaving his wife Cindy is the way to rectify this?
I can appreciate your compassion for this man, even if I don't share it. I don't believe that he came to a sudden realization, after he married Cindy, that adultery is wrong. He knew it was, in the midst of the affair, and divorced his wife and broke up his family anyways. That's like a kid stealing a cookie from a jar, happily eating it, and then saying he's sorry. Who cares at that point? The damage has been done. None of the parents of all those soldiers who died in Iraq are going to care if 20 years from now, Bush apologizes. It's not going to make it all better.
I don't know what McCain should do about his adultery, but I do think there's something wrong with America picking and choosing which politician's adultery we will accept or ignore. It speaks to his character.
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I know Christians whose walks I deeply respect who differ with me on abortion and gay rights. But these people with whom I differ lead ministries and people are coming to Christ due to their putting their faith into action.
If there faith is in pro-choice and the act of homosexuality being acceptable or "ok", then they don't belong anywhere near a pulpit.
None of these people of whom I speak are pastors. But there are many pastors whose interpretations of the Bible disagree with mine, but I don't think they should lose their pulpits as a result.
Some people can find a Biblical way to excuse homosexuality, others hide behind the concept of when life becomes life to excuse abortion. They may be able to pull out the original Hebrew and Greek to try to convince you, because they truly believe what they believe.
I guess my point is, their beliefs on these two issues don't make them not Christians. You will know someone is a Christian or not by their fruits. Some people determine their Christianity by their ability to judge what is right and wrong - in their own lives and others - but do nothing to build Christ's kingdom.
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 9/2/2008 10:08:51 AM
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He's about as much Christian as the other 92% that claim it here in America.
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 9/2/2008 10:13:40 AM
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I'm not saying that Obama is perfect. He's a politician, so it wouldn't surprise me if he did have a few skeletons in the closet. This, however, is not one of them. The guy is as much a Christian as George W. Bush.
Ahhhh this might be a stretch. I believe Obama probably is a christian, but GW is as much a christian as Anton LaVey! Oooops, did I say that out loud? Good 'bout time somebody did.
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 9/2/2008 10:20:05 AM
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I believe Obama probably is a christian,
The Bible says we will know them by their fruits. Can you name a single fruit in Obama's life that indicates he is a Christian?
We already know he is in favor of abortion, although God forbids murder.
He sanctions homosexual behavior, even thogh God calls it an abomination.
He is on video openly mocking the word of God in a speech, which tells us how much of an authority he considers Scripture to be.
He has been a member of a church that preaches hate and bigotry, and has been a member of that church for 20 years.
So where's the fruit?
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 9/2/2008 10:21:57 AM
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rcamejo01
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We already know he is in favor of abortion, although God forbids murder
Not abortion..but Choice.
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 9/2/2008 10:23:10 AM
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Right, the choice to murder a baby....so he's in favor of abortion.
And you really think this is a choice God would approve of?
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 9/2/2008 10:23:49 AM
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Yo" Tafkam,I noticed you left out the rest of that sentnece you snatched to make your point...........
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 9/2/2008 10:25:10 AM
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"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the Religious-Right and I'm here to help.'
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 9/2/2008 10:27:02 AM
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"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the Religious-Right and I'm here to help.'
So your answer is "No, I cannot point to a single fruit in Barack Obama's life that will back up his claims of being a Christian."
Thanks for playing along...
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Muslims supporting him is puzzling - 9/2/2008 10:27:40 AM
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It is puzzling that Obama, who has a Muslim father and at least a partial Muslim upbringing is being supported by Muslims even though he claims to be an apostate to the Muslim faith by converting to Christianity... or, at the very least choosing Christianity over Islam.
This simply does NOT make any sense at all in light of the plight of every other person that makes these kind of choices. '
I have been told by national pastors in African countries dominated by Muslims that they even go so far as to have Muslims pose as Christians in U.S. churches having large African memberships so that they can report back to clerics in their home countries that a person has left Islam. Muslim leaders take 'apostasy' very seriously and those who leave Islam for Christianity are always under threat. This would particularly be true for those with high profiles like Obama.
The fact that the Muslims are not denouncing his embracing Christianity and, instead, are supporting him, is troubling in terms of our completely trusting that his faith is real.
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 9/2/2008 10:28:47 AM
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So your answer is "No, I cannot point to a single fruit in Barack Obama's life that will back up his claims of being a Christian."
Thanks for playing along...
No, not exactly, I could care less if he's a Christian, Jew, Atheist, Jehova's Witness or a Mormon. I'm not voting for a Pastor, I'm voting for president. HUGE difference!
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 9/2/2008 10:30:32 AM
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So your answer is "No, I cannot point to a single fruit in Barack Obama's life that will back up his claims of being a Christian."
By the way, please don't put words in my mouth or speak for me, I'm a grown man, I can speak for myself just fine.
Peace!
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 9/2/2008 10:31:05 AM
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No, not exactly, I could care less if he's a Christian, Jew, Atheist, Jehova's Witness or a Mormon. I'm not voting for a Pastor, I'm voting for president. HUGE difference!
You left Muslim off your list, was that accidental or on Purpose?
Thanks
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 9/2/2008 10:31:43 AM
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No, not exactly, I could care less if he's a Christian, Jew, Atheist, Jehova's Witness or a Mormon. I'm not voting for a Pastor, I'm voting for president. HUGE difference!
Which of course begs the question, why are you posting in this thread? Since the subject is after all, "Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian?"
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 9/2/2008 10:32:58 AM
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You left Muslim off your list, was that accidental or on Purpose?
Nope, but thanks for the observation. Duly noted!
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