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RE: Healing Today - 9/29/2008 1:40:59 PM
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1love1God1way
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I'm not saying that. What I am asking is:
Is calamity only caused by Satan?
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RE: Healing Today - 9/29/2008 1:51:26 PM
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God still heals "physically."
I said that to say,
I did a word study on the subject of healing.
Partly because of the WoF doctrines.
The conclusion of the matter is the healing is of the "soul", and/or "spirit."
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Guess what? We all are sick and all will die - the death rate is one per person.
I've heard this a lot, yet I can't help but laugh everytime I hear it. ROFL.
"I sent my Word, and I healed you."
"You would not believe so I could heal you."
those verses have nothing to do with physical healing, but salvation.
That's the healing God is after.
God has healed the saved and the lost.
Always for His own purposes.
The only real claim we have is that we WILL die.
Benny Hinn has his own team of dentists he goes to.
Doctors he goes to. etc. etc.
CPA's he goes to.
Why won't his faith work on anything else but getting
people to send him money and come to his show?
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http://www.tedpearce.com/Videos/TheForgottenpeople.html
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RE: Healing Today - 9/29/2008 2:01:05 PM
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Is calamity only caused by Satan?
Obviously not - do you think Satan controls the winds and the waves of every hurricane? There are physical laws of nature which have been designed, created, and sustained by Omnipotent God. As you've already implied, the Fall has led to significant consequences on the world's functioning from its intended status. As a physician with scientific training and perspective, I do know that plenty of inexplicable calamities happen which God appears to allow. But as a Believer in a loving and merciful God, I also know that He is more than capable of protecting whomever He chooses from the reslts of those calamities.
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RE: Healing Today - 9/29/2008 2:04:14 PM
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I did a word study on the subject of healing. It's my understanding that the Greek word sozo is used throughout the NT for both "healing" and "salvation". Comments, Lapidoth?
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RE: Healing Today - 9/29/2008 9:00:11 PM
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Is calamity only caused by Satan?
Indirectly YES due to the tempting of Eve and Adam causing the rebellion...
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RE: Healing Today - 9/30/2008 12:03:55 AM
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The point is: our whole view of illness, I think, is a bit skewed.
Yes, I understand it is the result of the fall, but does that mean God hasn't adjusted his playbook a bit? Could He not cause one to be sick, instead of Satan?
If you understand that sickness, disease, lack, poverty, came from the fall of man. Then why would make Jesus out to be a lier in saying that he change is mind or plays favorits, or healed by the power of beelzebub. By stating that God adjusted His play book the Bible. The Bible clearly show that in Hebrews 13:8 God is the same yesterday, today, and forever more. (No change, holds no man above another, never has or will bring sickness on anyone).
Satan is the author of sickness and always will be as stated in the Bible (Acts 10:38) How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with POWER: who went about doing good, and healing ALL that were OPPRESSED of the DEVIL: for God was with Him. 
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RE: Healing Today - 9/30/2008 1:41:14 AM
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
God still heals "physically."
I said that to say,
I did a word study on the subject of healing.
Partly because of the WoF doctrines.
The conclusion of the matter is the healing is of the "soul", and/or "spirit."
quote:
Earthless:
Guess what? We all are sick and all will die - the death rate is one per person.
I've heard this a lot, yet I can't help but laugh everytime I hear it. ROFL.
"I sent my Word, and I healed you."
"You would not believe so I could heal you."
those verses have nothing to do with physical healing, but salvation.
That's the healing God is after.
God has healed the saved and the lost.
Always for His own purposes.
The only real claim we have is that we WILL die.
Benny Hinn has his own team of dentists he goes to.
Doctors he goes to. etc. etc.
CPA's he goes to.
Why won't his faith work on anything else but getting
people to send him money and come to his show?
In your word study you must have skipped proverbs 4:20-22. My son, attend to my Words (Bible) incline thine ear unto my saying. Let them not depart from thine eyes; Keep them in the midst of thine heart. fore they are life unto those that find them, and HEALTH to ALL THEIR FLESH = HEALS PHYSICALLY.
Also you must have skipped Matthew 8:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, Himself (Jesus) took our infirmities (Spiritual) and bare our sicknesses. (Heals Physically).
If healing in Jesus ministry was only spiritual then in Luke 8:40-56 He (Jesus) would have said to the woman with the issue of blood Why do you come to me I can only heal you spiritually. man's theology trying to say that Jesus is the grate I WAS. NO, what did Jesus say I am JEHOVAH-RAPHA: I AM THE LORD YOUR PHYSICIAN, OR I AM THE LORD WHO HEALS YOU.
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RE: Healing Today - 9/30/2008 11:37:43 AM
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Lapidoth
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ORIGINAL: drmark
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I did a word study on the subject of healing. It's my understanding that the Greek word sozo is used throughout the NT for both "healing" and "salvation". Comments, Lapidoth?
Yes, the Greek word is sozo, containing healing and salvation.
Context tells us which it is.
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In your word study you must have skipped proverbs 4:20-22. My son, attend to my Words (Bible) incline thine ear unto my saying. Let them not depart from thine eyes; Keep them in the midst of thine heart. fore they are life unto those that find them, and HEALTH to ALL THEIR FLESH = HEALS PHYSICALLY.
Also you must have skipped Matthew 8:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, Himself (Jesus) took our infirmities (Spiritual) and bare our sicknesses. (Heals Physically).
If healing in Jesus ministry was only spiritual then in Luke 8:40-56 He (Jesus) would have said to the woman with the issue of blood Why do you come to me I can only heal you spiritually. man's theology trying to say that Jesus is the grate I WAS. NO, what did Jesus say I am JEHOVAH-RAPHA: I AM THE LORD YOUR PHYSICIAN, OR I AM THE LORD WHO HEALS YOU.
No, I didn't skip any of them. That's not the way I do a word study.
I pull every verse that has to deal with healing when I study healing.
I pull every perceived of end times when I do a study on rapture, etc.
In other words, I exhaust my search. I don't just dig out verses to
justify my claims. I try to find out what it is actually saying.
I started out saying God still heals "physically." I've been healed physcially.
The context tells us which it is.
God's plan is to reconcile man with Himself.
In His sovereignty He heals whom He will.
But the PLAN is salvation.
I guess I was actually addressing the false doctrines of the WoF community.
Taking things out of context to prove their talking points.
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Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
http://www.tedpearce.com/Videos/TheForgottenpeople.html
BARUCH HABA BASHEM YAHUAH
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RE: Healing Today - 9/30/2008 11:53:57 AM
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1love1God1way
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ORIGINAL: 1love1God1way
The point is: our whole view of illness, I think, is a bit skewed.
Yes, I understand it is the result of the fall, but does that mean God hasn't adjusted his playbook a bit? Could He not cause one to be sick, instead of Satan?
If you understand that sickness, disease, lack, poverty, came from the fall of man. Then why would make Jesus out to be a lier in saying that he change is mind or plays favorits, or healed by the power of beelzebub. By stating that God adjusted His play book the Bible. The Bible clearly show that in Hebrews 13:8 God is the same yesterday, today, and forever more. (No change, holds no man above another, never has or will bring sickness on anyone).
Satan is the author of sickness and always will be as stated in the Bible (Acts 10:38) How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with POWER: who went about doing good, and healing ALL that were OPPRESSED of the DEVIL: for God was with Him.
You either misunderstood, or are misrepresenting what I am saying.
I showed a case of where God caused blindness so that He may heal and show His power.
There are cases when God has caused other such things (ie. plagues) as a means of punishment, and again, as a display of His power.
I'm not saying that this is the common denominator. It's just to say that "every bad thing comes from satan" is too narrow.
Or perhaps it's our definition of "bad" that is incorrect.
Back on subject, yes, healing is for today. No, it is not guaranteed, at least not in the physical sense.
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RE: Healing Today - 9/30/2008 4:01:14 PM
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drmark
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I showed a case of where God caused blindness so that He may heal and show His power. No, actually you showed a case where a person was born blind not due to anyone's sinful actions. Jesus never once claimed that God caused his blindness. God chose to use this calamity to show His power through His Son, even though God could have healed him much sooner than this point in time.
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Back on subject, yes, healing is for today. No, it is not guaranteed, at least not in the physical sense. If by "healing not in the physical sense" you mean being saved, then I also agree that salvation is for today and it also is not guaranteed!
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