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Thessa -> Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie (8/28/2008 7:06:49 PM)

Ive just gotta post this. I posted it on the last 'Christian' forum i was on and no one except one person seemed to think this movie was evil.
I was shocked to say the least that so many supposed self-proclaimed Christians would support such a movie or think that its in any way irrevelant in todays society. Needless to say i left the other board.


This new movie coming out i think in October that criticizes religion. Bill Maher is a self-proclaimed atheist.

Heres a you tube clip of him talking about the movie - id love to hear ur opinions on this. I for one would LOVE to see this movie boycotted.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=-CWiASiqDdU



isaacsmom -> RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie (8/28/2008 7:21:14 PM)

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I for one would LOVE to see this movie boycotted.


I'm sure Bill Maher would think it was hilarious if Christians boycotted the movie. I'm sure he expects them to. He said in the clip that he wants the 16% of atheists/agnostics in this country to be aroused and stand up and be heard. This movie is for them, not us. (Not me, anyway).

I'm not at all surprised at this.

I will pray for Bill Maher. I hope he has not been completely given over to a reprobate heart.



TheBibleTRUTH -> RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie (8/28/2008 7:25:18 PM)

hmm.... oh well.

God is much bigger than a pointless movie.. It all comes down to men trying to figure out who God is and what God wants on his own, then them not finding any answers because they try to do it without Gods help, and then not understanding and becoming atheist or agnostic.

I don't think I'll go see it, but It doesn't really bother me. God is in control.



Thessa -> RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie (8/28/2008 7:42:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: isaacsmom
I'm sure Bill Maher would think it was hilarious if Christians boycotted the movie. I'm sure he expects them to.



Of course he would think it was funny. He thinks the bible and the concept of God is funny.
I am really shocked beyond belief his show is still allowed to air.
Ive never watched it but there are too many clips of it on you tube and he makes fun of religion. He is just asking to go to hell. Little does he know its a one way ticket.



Dancre -> RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie (8/28/2008 8:30:40 PM)

Well, kiddo, this has been happening since Jesus rose from the dead. I'm not too upset over it. Jesus never commanded us to stand up for Him, but to love those who are lost. Bill is lost, that's what upsets me, not the movie. I'm upset b/c if he dies tonight, he's going to hell. That's more frightening than someone making a movie that mocks God.

kim



wearhisname -> RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie (8/28/2008 8:33:48 PM)

To me it is just entertainment



armydude -> RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie (8/28/2008 9:55:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: wearhisname

To me it is just entertainment
Bill Maher is entertaining? When did this happen?


I'm definitely not a Bill Maher fan, but it has nothing to do with his religious beliefs. That don't hurt my decision, but he's seriously not funny.



Thessa -> RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie (8/28/2008 11:26:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dancre

Well, kiddo, this has been happening since Jesus rose from the dead. I'm not too upset over it. Jesus never commanded us to stand up for Him, but to love those who are lost. Bill is lost, that's what upsets me, not the movie. I'm upset b/c if he dies tonight, he's going to hell. That's more frightening than someone making a movie that mocks God.

kim



Yeah but its in me to stand up for God. It just is. It irritates me when a person of any belief mocks God. Someone that is so good and wants nothing more than to love people. Its just not right.
It honestly dosent upset me what Bill Maher is doing to himself, because hes doing it with his eyes wide open. If he goes to hell then he sent himself there. Of course i wish he would turn away from his evil ways but thats not to be soon i assume.



TorchHeart -> RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie (8/29/2008 12:45:50 AM)

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Ive just gotta post this. I posted it on the last 'Christian' forum i was on and no one except one person seemed to think this movie was evil.
I was shocked to say the least that so many supposed self-proclaimed Christians would support such a movie or think that its in any way irrevelant in todays society.


I do not see this movie as evil. So what if he's taking a few shots at religion. Mahar, himself, said that he's making a comedy. He's taking religion (and it doesn't sound like its just Christianity) and showing some of the unusual or absurd aspects of it. As a person who's worked with stand-up comedy, myself, I'd like to think I could take a few ribbings.

Now, I must admit that some of Mahar's jokes about religion are pretty pointed, and I don't agree with all of his views on God. However, as a Christian, I'm interested to see what he has to offer in this movie. And maybe, as Christians, we should all see this movie. It might give us a better understanding as to why some people become atheists and why they have seem to have the view of us that they do.



captainfraulein -> RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie (8/29/2008 12:51:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TorchHeart

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Now, I must admit that some of Mahar's jokes about religion are pretty pointed, and I don't agree with all of his views on God. However, as a Christian, I'm interested to see what he has to offer in this movie. And maybe, as Christians, we should all see this movie. It might give us a better understanding as to why some people become atheists and wjavascript:void(opener.AddText('[sm\=blush.gif]'));self.focus();hy they have seem to have the view of us that they do.

[sm=thumbsup.gif] I concur with this! It is for this reason I have Penn and Teller as one of my myspace friends. My family love their show BS (swear word). They are hardcore atheists. I need to understand their viewpoint as much as possible when those I love, love them.



Thessa -> RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie (8/29/2008 1:10:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TorchHeart And maybe, as Christians, we should all see this movie. It might give us a better understanding as to why some people become atheists and why they have seem to have the view of us that they do.



And the point of that would be?...
Ive spoken to many atheists online during the last couple of years and i havent learned a thing from them. I dont see how seeing a movie that makes fun of religion could help us understand things - why should we, as Christians, try to see that point of view? Its distorted.



TorchHeart -> RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie (8/29/2008 1:37:41 AM)

Because you learn more about people from trying to understand them and learn why they think they way they do than you do from simply standing up and shouting "I'm right; you're wrong."

I'm not saying that's what you're doing, but I am saying that to simply try and force a position down these people's throats and say "Its in the Bible, therefore you must believe it" isn't going to win them over to God, because in their mind that isn't true, no matter how ingrained in your's it is. Its also not going to make them want to see Christians in a better light than some of them already see us... or how some of us already see them.

Look at it like this: I'm going to take for granted (and correct me if I'm wrong) that you are someone who can't see any reason why someone wouldn't believe in God, or why someone wouldn't believe that every single word in the Bible is true, or that Jesus couldn't have redeemed all of our sins by His selfless act upon the cross. To you, it is very normal and natural to believe this way, and it is pecular or offenseive that anyone would see things differently.

Now look at how some of these people probably see us: They don't believe in God. They don't believe that a book writen 2,000 years ago that has been translated from language to language to language to language and finally to English can be without erors of any kind. They watch us pray to thin air, and watch us carry on traditiosn that seem pointless to them.

Perhaps some of these people have had horrible experiences in churches in the past and its made them bitter towards the entire religious experience, where you have had primarily positive experiences in church (I know this is possible... experiences with members of one denomination scarred me so badly, that I'm still trying to get over my admittedly-biggoted opinions of them 11 years later).

Some of these people could've been raised in homes where the entire family was atheistic, or grew up in a predominatly atheistic region or country. They never grew up with religion, and therefore have no use for it or see it as silly.

In short, they can't fathom why anybody would believe this stuff, and you can't figure out why they wouldn't. You say that they should want to do this to save their soul; they say that neither you or them have souls to save, so what's the point?

So what's the point of watching a movie like this? To learn about another group of people and come to understand why they see us the way they do, or why they believe the things that they do. In doing this, we can learn better how to portray ourselves to them so that we don't seem so alien to them, and learn to understand them so that they don't seem the same way to us. Once you do that, we can hopefully discuss our beliefs with them, and maybe use better methods to try and convert them over to Christ. And if they don't want to convert, we'll have a better idea of why.



And as for the part about this movie making "fun" of religion, I'm going to say this and hope not to offend anyone, but... some stuff regarding religion IS funny. I'm Catholic and I will openly say that there are things about my denomination that I find peculiar. And I can understand why someone looking at it from the outside would maybe laugh at it. While I don't want someone simply going out and calling my church "evil" or "stupid," I do have to admit that some of the things we do are going to seem strange and be the subject of skepticism. All religions and religious denominations are like that, in my opinion. They all have something to them that is going to strike outiders as being "odd," even though to the members of that faith who grew up with this as tradition are going to see it as normal.

Also, some people really DO go out on a tangent and find some rather funny or bizzare ways to get their religious message out to other people. Sure, they mean well and they're trying to do God's work, but that doesn't make it seem any less strange... some times even to people who believe almost exactly the same thing they do.

So maybe seeing these aspects of "ourselves" will help us to do two things:

1) Not take ourselves so seriously

and

2) See why some people unfortunately get the wrong impressions of religious individuals, whether that be because they're basing their opinions on what they've seen from a couple of people, or because of stereotypes they grew up with.



sen10tious -> RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie (8/29/2008 1:52:13 AM)

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Well, of course Maher believes it, but … how ridiculous is that? At some point, he is going to have to shed his unbelief if he is going to move forward.

~ ~ ~ That was a parody of two lines found in the YouTube clip. "Maher" was substituted for the pronoun "he," an antecedent for Rick Warren; and "unbelief" was substituted for "skin" in the original.
Notice the snake-like reference Maher used during that clip in his choice of the phrase 'shed their skin.' He was comparing Rick Warren to a snake; was that comedy? Or was it an insult?


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ORIGINAL: Thessa
... no one except one person seemed to think this movie was evil.
I was shocked to say the least ...

Yes, I think the movie is evil because it pacifies the conscience into a stupor. Maher is using his comedy to help people feel good about side-tracking God. Maher's logic is atrocious when he proclaims that no other "human" could possibly know more than he does, so everyone should admit they can't know. It presents one big excuse for mankind to neglect the chief purpose of his creation.


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This new movie coming out i think in October that criticizes religion.

Actually, I'm OK with that part. Apostle Paul criticizes religion too:
These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement, …but are of no value… Col. 2:23


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Bill Maher is a self-proclaimed atheist.

I think "self-proclaimed" must be about the only kind there are—anyone else would call them either "pagans" or "lost."



PureLight -> RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie (8/29/2008 2:11:29 AM)

Gives people a chance to really examine what they believe and give thoughtful responses to Bill's claims against them., I say.



Thessa -> RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie (8/29/2008 2:46:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TorchHeart

I'm not saying that's what you're doing, but I am saying that to simply try and force a position down these people's throats and say "Its in the Bible, therefore you must believe it" isn't going to win them over to God, because in their mind that isn't true, no matter how ingrained in your's it is. Its also not going to make them want to see Christians in a better light than some of them already see us... or how some of us already see them.


But im saying that no matter what they think of us as Christians its not gonna matter in the end of their lives. Their decisions are wrong whether they choose to hear the truth from us or if they decide to drown us out.

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Look at it like this: I'm going to take for granted (and correct me if I'm wrong) that you are someone who can't see any reason why someone wouldn't believe in God, or why someone wouldn't believe that every single word in the Bible is true, or that Jesus couldn't have redeemed all of our sins by His selfless act upon the cross. To you, it is very normal and natural to believe this way, and it is pecular or offenseive that anyone would see things differently.


Absolutely correct. Every word right on point. It actually sometimes makes me feel physically ill to think of how some people can reject God. And not only that but be proud of doing so. It definately offends me when someone rejects something that is totally true.

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Now look at how some of these people probably see us: They don't believe in God. They don't believe that a book writen 2,000 years ago that has been translated from language to language to language to language and finally to English can be without erors of any kind. They watch us pray to thin air, and watch us carry on traditiosn that seem pointless to them.


I know what ur saying there. Thats what they always say - they must take a class on what to say because all of them always say the same thing over and over again. But its not pointless and you know that. They just need to realize it. And this movie wont make a person realize they were wrong - it will make them realize they have a crowd that agrees. [&:]

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Perhaps some of these people have had horrible experiences in churches in the past and its made them bitter towards the entire religious experience, where you have had primarily positive experiences in church (I know this is possible... experiences with members of one denomination scarred me so badly, that I'm still trying to get over my admittedly-biggoted opinions of them 11 years later).


Maybe so - but thats their problems. That dosent mean they should turn their backs on God just cause some people are mean and hateful.
Ive been to several churches in my life - ive had bad experiences in some as well. One in which all they did was talk about money. One in which one night instead of passing the collection plate around, the pastor just lay it on the alter and had people come up and give to it, one in which my uncle goes too that has a preacher that all he does mainly is talk about his kids and sports and him and some of the elders treat a rich lady like shes the queen just because she has money.
I mean alot of things happen in alot of places. But i think it all can end with what WE know is right and wrong. And what God says is right and wrong. I mean whatever happened to u and ur experiences can be dealt with through the word of God. And not to mention by going to a church that dosent discriminate and judge.

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Some of these people could've been raised in homes where the entire family was atheistic, or grew up in a predominatly atheistic region or country. They never grew up with religion, and therefore have no use for it or see it as silly.


Well i cant relate to that, but my mom certainly didnt talk about it alot and my brother and i growing up werent constantly bred to it, but i just grew up knowing there was a God. Then as i grew up i started to see for myself through some friends and others that Jesus died on the cross and the rest just fell into place.
Ill give you an example on what you are talking about though and how its not that way with every family.
I grew up with just my mom in the house, and even though i love her i knew almost my whole life that she is racist. She even basically admitted it once or twice. That is something im TOTALLY against. So really you can live with someone and around things and not get sucked into the idea of it all. A person can come out of it with a fresh opinion.

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In short, they can't fathom why anybody would believe this stuff, and you can't figure out why they wouldn't. You say that they should want to do this to save their soul; they say that neither you or them have souls to save, so what's the point?


Whats the point? To try and convert them. I spent alot of time on another board trying to do that very thing and eventually got so frustrated with it i had to leave. I thought about doing it offline but i cant do it. Its just too hard if you are sensitive to your beliefs. But for anyone that can its a good idea.

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So what's the point of watching a movie like this? To learn about another group of people and come to understand why they see us the way they do, or why they believe the things that they do. In doing this, we can learn better how to portray ourselves to them so that we don't seem so alien to them, and learn to understand them so that they don't seem the same way to us. Once you do that, we can hopefully discuss our beliefs with them, and maybe use better methods to try and convert them over to Christ. And if they don't want to convert, we'll have a better idea of why.


But thats just it...thats why i wish the movie would be stopped. Because i dont like the idea of atheists thinking its a good idea not to believe in God. That will just push some farther away from the truth.
I see what u are saying, honestly i do, but its just going to be more and more ammunition for them later on to use against believers of God. They will probably even take lines out of the movie to affirm their conversations and non-beliefs. Ive had it happen already in conversations before. People would take something that Richard Dawkins says and use it against what the bible says. What they dont see is that the bible and an atheist totally contradict each other! One is truth one isnt.


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And as for the part about this movie making "fun" of religion, I'm going to say this and hope not to offend anyone, but... some stuff regarding religion IS funny. I'm Catholic and I will openly say that there are things about my denomination that I find peculiar. And I can understand why someone looking at it from the outside would maybe laugh at it. While I don't want someone simply going out and calling my church "evil" or "stupid," I do have to admit that some of the things we do are going to seem strange and be the subject of skepticism. All religions and religious denominations are like that, in my opinion. They all have something to them that is going to strike outiders as being "odd," even though to the members of that faith who grew up with this as tradition are going to see it as normal.

Also, some people really DO go out on a tangent and find some rather funny or bizzare ways to get their religious message out to other people. Sure, they mean well and they're trying to do God's work, but that doesn't make it seem any less strange... some times even to people who believe almost exactly the same thing they do.


Ya know when that comedian George Carlin died i thought the same thing. I thought his bit on religion was funny until i found out that he was actually an atheist - then it wasnt so funny anymore. Its not funny when you know that the person is serious.
Thats not what comedy is meant to be. Its not meant to be intentionally hurtful. Just think of where Eddie Murphy would be right now - or Jim Carrey - if they always spoke honestly all the time about what they thought of people. They wouldnt be popular thats for sure, unless its just a popularity based on something negative.



Thessa -> RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie (8/29/2008 2:49:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sen10tious

Actually, I'm OK with that part. Apostle Paul criticizes religion too:
These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement, …but are of no value… Col. 2:23


But just cause Paul did that does that mean its okay for Bill Maher to do it too? I wouldnt think so. I dont think so at all.


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I think "self-proclaimed" must be about the only kind there are—anyone else would call them either "pagans" or "lost."



I call him that because thats what he is. Hes a self-proclaimed atheist.



PureLight -> RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie (8/29/2008 3:17:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Thessa

But im saying that no matter what they think of us as Christians its not gonna matter in the end of their lives. Their decisions are wrong whether they choose to hear the truth from us or if they decide to drown us out.


Ironically enough, anti-theists would say the same about you.



kisstheson -> RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie (8/29/2008 3:25:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dancre

Well, kiddo, this has been happening since Jesus rose from the dead. I'm not too upset over it. Jesus never commanded us to stand up for Him, but to love those who are lost. Bill is lost, that's what upsets me, not the movie. I'm upset b/c if he dies tonight, he's going to hell. That's more frightening than someone making a movie that mocks God.

kim


You have a much better attitude than I have. Sometimes that arroagant (an explanitive I'm not allowed to mention on this forum) makes me sooo angry I wish a lightning bolt would hit him right where the sun doesn't shine. :)



kisstheson -> RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie (8/29/2008 3:38:31 AM)

Making fun of christianity is one thing but when comedians make fun of Christ my blood boils AND when christians are entertained by that, that is beyond reasoning to me. arrgggghhhh!!!!



Thessa -> RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie (8/29/2008 6:06:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PureLight
Ironically enough, anti-theists would say the same about you.



Well sure, but its all beyond logic and reasoning if they do. They are going by nothing. Im going by whats in the bible. What God and Jesus said. Whats true.



Tagurit -> RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie (8/29/2008 7:56:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sen10tious
Yes, I think the movie is evil because it pacifies the conscience into a stupor. Maher is using his comedy to help people feel good about side-tracking God. Maher's logic is atrocious when he proclaims that no other "human" could possibly know more than he does, so everyone should admit they can't know. It presents one big excuse for mankind to neglect the chief purpose of his creation.


Very true!

I used to spend quite alot of time arguing with atheists on message boards--no more. In that I agree with Torchheart. I feel there is a much better use of time I can use for God.

However, I do believe that Maher IS using whatever "talents" he might possess to justify not believing in God.



PureLight -> RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie (8/29/2008 9:08:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Thessa

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ORIGINAL: PureLight
Ironically enough, anti-theists would say the same about you.



Well sure, but its all beyond logic and reasoning if they do. They are going by nothing. Im going by whats in the bible. What God and Jesus said. Whats true.


And by their own logic and reasoning, you're going off of nothing because to them, the Bible isn't the Word of God, supposing to them they might be open to the idea the God exists.



TorchHeart -> RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie (8/29/2008 9:21:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Thessa


But just cause Paul did that does that mean its okay for Bill Maher to do it too? I wouldnt think so. I dont think so at all.



Why? Because Paul was so much better than everyone else? Hardly! He was a man with problems and issues, himself. Just because he came to believe in God doesn't make his opinion more or less valid. With all due respect, I get the feeling that you believe that if somebody doesn't hold the same beliefs on God that you do (or don't believe in Him at all), they shouldn't be allowed to speak about Him. How is that a good idea??? Everyone has their opinions. Accepting that fact is the first step to being able to understand and then change them (if that is your goal).

Look at some of the things you wrote in response to my last post, Thessa. I'm not trying to be mean to you, but you missed the point a couple of times. I read your replies and I see a lot of "that's their problem" or "but they're wrong" as if to say that, since their thinking isn't exactly like your's, their opinion means nothing and they should immediately convert to your beliefs. Have you ever thought that some of them (not all of them) are having the same thoughts about you?

Look at the following statement you made:

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I know what ur saying there. Thats what they always say - they must take a class on what to say because all of them always say the same thing over and over again. But its not pointless and you know that. They just need to realize it. And this movie wont make a person realize they were wrong - it will make them realize they have a crowd that agrees.


1) "They must take a class on what to say because all of them always say the same thing over and over again." -- I'm sure many of them do have meetings (or classes) to support one another in their beliefs.... just like Christians do. We probably sound to them like we take classes because we say the same thing over and over, again. And they'd be right... except we call our class "church" or "worship service." And when we're there, we support one another in our beliefs by doing similar things in worship of God.

2) "But its not pointless and you know that." -- Yes, I do know that. And so do you. But THEY don't; they believe that it is pointless. Simply saying to someone that praying isn't pointless isn't going to change their mind. I hate maccaroni and cheese. My wife thinks its good. Her simply saying to me that maccaroni and cheese is good isn't going to make me stop thinking that it doesn't taste disgusting. Unless she can convince me to try it or convince me that it is good, I'm not changing my view, and vice versa.

3) "And this movie wont make a person realize they were wrong - it will make them realize they have a crowd that agrees." -- So it won't make them realize that (in your opinion) they're "wrong." What about a show like "The 10 Commandments?" Do you think they might be a little upset about that movie because it doesn't show people like us that we're wrong, and instead makes us realize that we have a crowd that agrees with us? Simply stomping out someone else's right to express a view isn't going to make them change their opinions. In fact, it probably makes their opnions stronger AND it reinforces ideas of their's that Christians are intollerant or not willing to listen to reason.... just as I'm sure you feel that atheists are intollerant and not willing to listen to reason.

Do you see where I'm coming from at all here?

Instead of looking at these people through your eyes, try looking at life (and yourself) through their's.

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ORIGINAL: Thessa

Ya know when that comedian George Carlin died i thought the same thing. I thought his bit on religion was funny until i found out that he was actually an atheist - then it wasnt so funny anymore. Its not funny when you know that the person is serious.
Thats not what comedy is meant to be. Its not meant to be intentionally hurtful. Just think of where Eddie Murphy would be right now - or Jim Carrey - if they always spoke honestly all the time about what they thought of people. They wouldnt be popular thats for sure, unless its just a popularity based on something negative.


I've got news for you... I've done stand-up comedy and I've learned that in all stand-up routines, there is some degree of truth in what the person is saying. Jim Carrey, Eddie Murphy, George Carlin, Denis Leary, Ray Romano, Bill Cosby, Bill Mahar, Ellen Degeneress,... they ALL mix some of their beliefs and opinions and thoughts in with their comedy. That's what makes some of their comedy funny. Because its real, you can related to it better. Whether its about family issues, religion, sex, dating, cars, musicians, death,... most anything... if you don't mix some reality in with it... some part of yourself that you actually believe in or hold strongly to.... chances are that you're not going to connect with your audience.

I find it interesting that, until you learned that Carlin was an atheist, you found his jokes about religion humorous. You must have seen the same things he did, or at least been able to relate to the ideas he was proposing, in order to find his material humorous. So what if he was serious about parts of it? He was conveying ideas and making light of what bothered him about religion. And THAT is why he was successful.


YOU'VE GOT A GREAT HEART, THESSA. AND YOU OBVIOUSLY LOVE GOD. Those are both admirable qualities and I commend you for them. But, to use them effectively in winning hearts over to God, I personally think you need to have a little more broad view of other people. Just a thought.



sen10tious -> RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie (8/29/2008 9:50:09 AM)

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Thessa

But just cause Paul did that does that mean its okay for Bill Maher to do it too? I wouldnt think so. I dont think so at all.


The distinction is that while Paul criticized man-made religion, he did not criticize the Lord. Mahler lumps the two together and criticizes both. I don't have a big problem with Maher's criticism of man-made religion. His presumption about God, however, is an entirely different matter.


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TorchHeart

So what's the point of watching a movie like this? To learn about another group of people and come to understand why they see us the way they do, or why they believe the things that they do. … and maybe use better methods to try and convert them over to Christ.


If this is the "reason" a person has for seeing the movie, it would behoove him to follow up and actually witness to the lost; he ought not to let such "training" go to waste.

The general admonition of scripture is to avoid association with things that do not bring glory to God, and this movie qualifies in that category.
I know Hosea was asked to do some pretty weird stuff, so I will stop short of claiming that God will never give an individual some peculiar assignment, but as a corollary, if you told me that you had to do personal research to better understand prostitutes, forgive me if I am inclined to be skeptical. Most Christians don't need that much training to comprehend why Maher is nuts, I mean, deluded.



TorchHeart -> RE: Bill Mahers New Anti-Religion Movie (8/29/2008 10:17:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sen10tious

but as a corollary, if you told me that you had to do personal research to better understand prostitutes, forgive me if I am inclined to be skeptical.


that's a poor corollary, in my book, but I see where you're getting at.

Personally, I'm going to see the movie and see what Mahar has up his sleeve.



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