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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 10/14/2008 11:33:35 PM
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bravjim
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I don't think that a name can be erased from the book of life. We are all predestined to enter salvation. It could very well be that a backsliders name who dies without being in Christ will never have had their name there in the first place. God knows who will die living in faith, and He knows who does not live by faith even before they are born. Christ Himself said that there will be those who say to Him that they called on Him and cast out demons in His name, but He Himself never knew them. Of course, it is much better to stay in faith, thereby staying in Christ; if you do, you can rest assured of your salvation. Not to mention, life will be much more rewarding to those who live in Christ. Even those who suffer for Him will have a much more rewarding life here than if they don't stay in faith, or not having faith to begin with. In short, it is more rewarding to live by faith than to live without faith becaue even if we suffer, the joy of the Lord is the more satisfying than living without Him. I don't know if this makes any sense, or whether I am just rambling at this point. I'm getting a little tired.
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 10/15/2008 12:07:54 AM
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romka404
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It tears my heart to see pple using passages of scripture out of context. places like Heb. 13:5 and Rom. 8:38-39.
in these vs's. God through Poul is telling us about the LOVE of christ to belivers. in Heb. read vs. 6: "The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me". the subject here is not me its anything and anyone but me.
and in Rom. vs. 36: "nay in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him that loved us". persecution was the subject befor this vs. so again Poul is implying everyone and everything that could do harm to you.
Now dont get me wrong iv not picked a side on this debate, (still on the fence, if you will). so putting those vs. to rest let me give you "ill never reject J.C." pple something to chew on. Matt. 12:31-32. dont try to tell me its talking about non-belivers. you cant blaspheme something you dont know. (flip side) how can the Spirit not forgive someone who is dead, and damned to hell? so if it is to belivers, pple who know the Holy Spirit, then that means... you lost it, no chance for return. becouse if one sin is not forgiven then.... you know the rest!
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 10/15/2008 10:38:44 AM
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Tagurit
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Where is the verse that says Judas was chosen for salvation? I can only find that he was chosen to be a disciple. I somehow missed the part about him being saved.
You didn't miss it Doug. Judas wasn't saved.
I'm not saying Judas was saved but just to be clear.. where is the verse that says any of the others were saved? That verse would have to be in the time frame before Judas' death to be a valid comparison. We know that they were... but I think there is a hole in this argument.
J
We see from their changed lives that the other apostles were saved and by their stories in scripture. We see nothing of the kind from Judas.
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 10/16/2008 6:00:24 PM
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lightbeamrider
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If bible prophecy means anything it would seem Judas was ''chose'' for reasons other than salvation. Acts 1:15-19. So where was the free choice of Judas? Not to mention Mary and John the Baptist? The accounts indicate their lives was mapped out beforehand not because of Foreknowledge but because of God's choice according to Romans 9:15. As was Jacob, as was Esau, as was Jonah, and i could go on and on.
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 10/16/2008 7:32:50 PM
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SamsonUSA
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If bible prophecy means anything it would seem Judas was ''chose'' for reasons other than salvation. Acts 1:15-19. So where was the free choice of Judas? Not to mention Mary and John the Baptist? The accounts indicate their lives was mapped out beforehand not because of Foreknowledge but because of God's choice according to Romans 9:15. As was Jacob, as was Esau, as was Jonah, and i could go on and on.
I strongly disagree here if your implying that Judas never had a chance and was damned to hell from birth. Through Gods omniscience He knows what our free will choices will be beforehand and saw that Judas heart wasn't going to repent, so He used Judas' wickedness for His glory.
To say otherwise would be to call God a liar since it is said in the word " The Lord is not slow about his promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for ANY to perish but for ALL (including Judas) to come to repentance " 2 PETER 3:9
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 10/17/2008 9:05:33 AM
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lightbeamrider
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i agree with u. Judas was not dammed to hell from birth. It was from eternity.
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 10/17/2008 9:28:15 AM
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lightbeamrider
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Whatever happened to Judas it was not from birth. We agree on that part. Since God is outside time, the fate of Judas was decided from eternity. For those who do not believe God is Sovereign over all His Creation including the free will of man then u embrace unbelief. The free will of man does not stop God in His tracks. If it was God's will Judas would be saved, then Judas would be saved.
''If God never violates human freedom it is not because of any limit on his sovereignty. It is because He sovereignly decrees not to. Any limit here is not a limit imposed on God by us, but a limit God sovereignly imposes on Himself.'' RC Sproul.
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 10/17/2008 10:51:02 AM
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jbow
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Where is the verse that says Judas was chosen for salvation? I can only find that he was chosen to be a disciple. I somehow missed the part about him being saved.
You didn't miss it Doug. Judas wasn't saved.
I'm not saying Judas was saved but just to be clear.. where is the verse that says any of the others were saved? That verse would have to be in the time frame before Judas' death to be a valid comparison. We know that they were... but I think there is a hole in this argument.
J
We see from their changed lives that the other apostles were saved and by their stories in scripture. We see nothing of the kind from Judas.
That is my point exactly. Scripture does say that Judas was chosen, just as the rest were. It is not clear on what happened in Judas' heart. Whether he lost it or never had it.
I believe he never understood but I don't really know. Surely he also could have repented and returned to the Lord instead of hanging himslef... what would have benn the result then? What if Peter had hung himself too?
J
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RE: Can a person name be removed from the Book Of Life? - 10/17/2008 11:02:46 AM
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jbow
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Whatever happened to Judas it was not from birth. We agree on that part. Since God is outside time, the fate of Judas was decided from eternity. For those who do not believe God is Sovereign over all His Creation including the free will of man then u embrace unbelief. The free will of man does not stop God in His tracks. If it was God's will Judas would be saved, then Judas would be saved.
''If God never violates human freedom it is not because of any limit on his sovereignty. It is because He sovereignly decrees not to. Any limit here is not a limit imposed on God by us, but a limit God sovereignly imposes on Himself.'' RC Sproul.
I agree. Everything need's lookiing at in these things but it all comes down to God's sovereign will. It is He who calls and rejects. It was He who loved Jacob and hated Esau. It is He who binds up all of humanity in sin and saves whoever He will to save. No one can come to Jesus unless the Father draws them. There is also freeewill from our side but we are incapable of exercising it without Him first calling us and giving us faith. He must first regenerate us or we will have no interest in Him and in fact until we are born again we cannot even see the kingdom of God. How can one believe in something that they cannot even see, and I don't mean see with physical eyes. Salvation is of the Lord... all of it. Repentance is even a gift.
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15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.
17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.”
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