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RE: Halloween 2008 - 11/3/2008 1:03:49 PM
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Lapidoth
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ORIGINAL: Hayseed
While that is a tragic event, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with Halloween. Focusing on one event (probably because it "supports" your point of view) amidst the millions upon millions of good things (even all the kids who DIDN'T get shot) is so myopic as to almost be laughable if it wasn't so sad that you could jump to that conclusion.
Fear not: Critical thinking is your friend.
That's your perrogative to think so.
I didn't say that that was what Halloween was all about.
Just one of many events on this so called holiday.
It is what it is.
And God got glory out of it?
God is the Judge, not me.
I'm telling you what His Word says about such things.
You can even get goose-bumps in meetings that the
Holy Spirit isn't even attending.
Everyone is allowed their own opinion.
But opinions do not change God's Word.
thanks
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 11/3/2008 1:32:12 PM
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Hayseed
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But your "opinion" trumps everyone else's because God agrees with you, right?
SHOW ME where scripture backs up YOUR opinion! And give me scripture in context with the whole of itself, not just some little "memory verses" picked out of place.
BTW: I wasn't giving my opinion, I was stating a fact that you are wanting to take one example out of millions to "prove" your point.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 11/3/2008 1:41:25 PM
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Qtman
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
I saw on the news in our area where a 12 year old went up to a door
to trick-or-treat and was shot dead.
How's that for a holiday that doesn't mean anything.
We went shopping at a neighboring town.
The Wallie Super Center set up areas for kids to trick-or-treat at
different departments. I guess so it would be safer? don't know why.
As we returned the line of churches on the way home had their parties
going, etc. Their lighted signs with "Harvest Festival," etc.
We've been out of it for a couple years so we can see it for what it is.
Sacrilege!!!! No other way to put it.
If you're in the big middle of it, you can't see it for what it is.
The Bible says, "Do not learn the ways of the nations and do it as unto me."
"It is an abomination."
I know RC doesn't see it as that way, but he's in the big middle of it.
As pastors, we have to agree to disagree.
Each of us will have to give an account for our personal stances.
Would you be happy if he was shot walking into McDonalds. It is tragic. However, the only connection to Halloween is the trick or treating. I am sure the child was not shot because he was asking for candy.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 11/3/2008 1:42:16 PM
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All I know is that I actually got to meet a ton of my neighbors. And since Friday night, I actually talk to them now. Maybe...even share the hope that I have within me with them, too.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 11/3/2008 1:46:23 PM
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Our 'halloween' party at church was a great chance for people who normally wouldnt go to church to come and enjoy themselves. It was a chance for the church members to host something and serve the community. It was safe. There were games and none of them involved ghosts, goblins, demons, witches or satan. There was free food. Hundreds of people came.
Tell me that doesn't glorify God? That His people chose to serve instead of be served, that people from all walks of life were welcomed into our family, even if just for one night, and hopefully more? All I saw all night long was tons and tons of laughter, children and adults having a great time together. No, I don't think God minded it one bit. I think He even showed up for awhile...
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 11/3/2008 2:00:16 PM
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Kath
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I saw on the news in our area where a 12 year old went up to a door
to trick-or-treat and was shot dead.
How's that for a holiday that doesn't mean anything.
I read about that, very sad.
I know it probably doesn't mean anything, but I do respect your conviction and your passion concerning this issue.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 11/3/2008 2:06:37 PM
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Hayseed
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Passion and conviction outside the realm of, and without the restraint of reason is a dangerous thing.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 11/3/2008 3:54:02 PM
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Lapidoth
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ORIGINAL: Hayseed
Passion and conviction outside the realm of, and without the restraint of reason is a dangerous thing.
Thanks for such an uninformed opinion of someone you know nothing about.
And just for your information, I do not make decisions made on 'memory verses.'
And it would be a waste of time to share the Scriptures on this, it's been done,
dismissed, ignored, etc.
So, carry on.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 11/3/2008 3:55:48 PM
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Lapidoth
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I saw on the news in our area where a 12 year old went up to a door
to trick-or-treat and was shot dead.
How's that for a holiday that doesn't mean anything.
I read about that, very sad.
I know it probably doesn't mean anything, but I do respect your conviction and your passion concerning this issue.
Thanks Kath.
I stayed nice until the last.
And that's that. LOL.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 11/3/2008 4:53:08 PM
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armydude
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
I saw on the news in our area where a 12 year old went up to a door
to trick-or-treat and was shot dead.
How's that for a holiday that doesn't mean anything.
Well let's look at that logic.
So if a child was shot hunting Easter Eggs, would that make Easter an evil holiday?
What if the child was shot delivering a Valentine's Day card? Or if the child was shot while caroling?
I could go on and on, but I think you get the idea. The holiday means nothing here. People are evil 24/7 and 365 days a year. It could have happened at any time.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 11/3/2008 4:59:20 PM
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Lapidoth
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
I saw on the news in our area where a 12 year old went up to a door
to trick-or-treat and was shot dead.
How's that for a holiday that doesn't mean anything.
Well let's look at that logic.
So if a child was shot hunting Easter Eggs, would that make Easter an evil holiday?
What if the child was shot delivering a Valentine's Day card? Or if the child was shot while caroling?
I could go on and on, but I think you get the idea. The holiday means nothing here. People are evil 24/7 and 365 days a year. It could have happened at any time.
From one view, yes.
The real view, is those days have nothing "good" about them.
So the evil of men was done on a day not of God. Just making
comment about what happened that would not have happened
if the boy was not out trick-or-treating. Sure, it's a non-issue,
but the truth of these holidays are not non-issues. Except to
those who cling to them. just saying.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 11/4/2008 1:07:35 AM
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SovereignIsHe
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ORIGINAL: RamiRedeemed
Our 'halloween' party at church was a great chance for people who normally wouldnt go to church to come and enjoy themselves.
Was it church or a party?
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 11/4/2008 3:23:14 AM
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ORIGINAL: RamiRedeemed
Our 'halloween' party at church was a great chance for people who normally wouldnt go to church to come and enjoy themselves. It was a chance for the church members to host something and serve the community. It was safe. There were games and none of them involved ghosts, goblins, demons, witches or satan. There was free food. Hundreds of people came.
Tell me that doesn't glorify God? That His people chose to serve instead of be served, that people from all walks of life were welcomed into our family, even if just for one night, and hopefully more? All I saw all night long was tons and tons of laughter, children and adults having a great time together. No, I don't think God minded it one bit. I think He even showed up for awhile...
Please, don't take offense. It appears from your posts that you are relatively new to the faith. So, take what I say as things to think about and not accusations. How would you know if Adonai was there? What made that night different from all other nights and all the other parties celebrated by those who do not acknowledge Adonai?
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 11/4/2008 8:46:42 AM
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armydude
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
The real view, is those days have nothing "good" about them.
So the evil of men was done on a day not of God. Just making
comment about what happened that would not have happened
if the boy was not out trick-or-treating. Sure, it's a non-issue,
but the truth of these holidays are not non-issues. Except to
those who cling to them. just saying.
A day not of God. What days are of God? I remember hearing a song that says, "This is the day that the Lord hath made. I will rejoice and be glad in it." Are we picking and choosing those days now?
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 11/4/2008 8:51:41 AM
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RamiRedeemed
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ORIGINAL: Bluethread
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ORIGINAL: RamiRedeemed
Our 'halloween' party at church was a great chance for people who normally wouldnt go to church to come and enjoy themselves. It was a chance for the church members to host something and serve the community. It was safe. There were games and none of them involved ghosts, goblins, demons, witches or satan. There was free food. Hundreds of people came.
Tell me that doesn't glorify God? That His people chose to serve instead of be served, that people from all walks of life were welcomed into our family, even if just for one night, and hopefully more? All I saw all night long was tons and tons of laughter, children and adults having a great time together. No, I don't think God minded it one bit. I think He even showed up for awhile...
Please, don't take offense. It appears from your posts that you are relatively new to the faith. So, take what I say as things to think about and not accusations. How would you know if Adonai was there? What made that night different from all other nights and all the other parties celebrated by those who do not acknowledge Adonai?
The difference is that where two or more are gathered...
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 11/4/2008 11:17:36 AM
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Our 'halloween' party at church was a great chance for people who normally wouldn't go to church to come and enjoy themselves.
Was it church or a party?
I think it is perfectly fine to have a party on the church campus and perhaps even in the building. I personally would be concerned if many of the events glorified evil, but the way Rami described it, I doubt that was the case. It sounds more like a congregation letting the community get a chance to greet and meet them. How many people never step foot in a church because they fear being judged? This sounds like a casual event. Perhaps later, some of these visitors will come to see more of what this congregation has to offer.
Therefor, it is not a Halloween party... just a party on Halloween.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 11/4/2008 12:56:13 PM
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Lapidoth
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Therefore, it is not a Halloween party... just a party on Halloween.
That was perfectly stated, if I do say so!!!
These threads are always the dog chasing his tail type thing.
I am accused of having no reason,
yet, this is deemed good reason.
Okay.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 11/4/2008 1:31:21 PM
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car2ner
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These threads are always the dog chasing his tail type thing.
I am accused of having no reason,
yet, this is deemed good reason.
Okay.
I do agree about the dog chasing it's tail and often we repeat ourselves.
What I don't understand is this:" yet, this is deemed good reason". I have never said that I felt comfortable "celebrating Halloween". I do feel comfortable having a party with good friends and fellowship and inviting the community and having it on the church grounds. If we hold the party near Halloween it is because there are others who would like to go out and do something without taking part in the more gross aspects of the night.
But we can disagree, because on it's own, this is not a salvation issue.
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RE: Halloween 2008 - 11/4/2008 4:26:52 PM
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Lapidoth
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But we can disagree, because on it's own, this is not a salvation issue.
Amen!
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