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RE: When is a family too big. - 8/28/2008 3:06:31 PM
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P31W
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Withdrawl has a pretty low percentage of effectiveness.
I guess God planned my family size too. We have used that method for 20 years now and are baby free.
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RE: When is a family too big. - 8/28/2008 3:06:43 PM
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Perhaps if she had kept her skirts pulled down....
What a terrible thing to say. Most of her children went out and changed the world. Just what effect would you like her to have prevented?
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RE: When is a family too big. - 8/28/2008 3:07:50 PM
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She was joking. I know I know the bible does not say we can joke.
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RE: When is a family too big. - 8/28/2008 3:09:28 PM
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So it's funny if I tell you that you never should have been born?
And, btw, it was her apron. She wasn't exposing herself, she put her apron over her head and prayed.
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RE: When is a family too big. - 8/28/2008 3:12:07 PM
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So it's funny if I tell you that you never should have been born?
ROFL, You have to stand in line to say that.
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RE: When is a family too big. - 8/28/2008 3:16:04 PM
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Perhaps if she had kept her skirts pulled down....
What a terrible thing to say. Most of her children went out and changed the world. Just what effect would you like her to have prevented?
Calm down, Skippy! In goes the good air out goes the bad!
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RE: When is a family too big. - 8/28/2008 3:16:40 PM
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Withdrawl has a pretty low percentage of effectiveness.
I guess God planned my family size too. We have used that method for 20 years now and are baby free.
Yeah, you aren't the only one. It's worked for us before too, although for a much shorter period of time before we started trying to get pregnant. I know other women who have also used it successfully.
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RE: When is a family too big. - 8/28/2008 3:18:00 PM
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I don't think some of you realize how terrible your words are. Try being a kid who was told she shouldn't have been born, and THEN see if you are laughing.
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RE: When is a family too big. - 8/28/2008 3:20:58 PM
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I don't think some of you realize how terrible your words are. Try being a kid who was told she shouldn't have been born, and THEN see if you are laughing.
I was...nearly every day of my life until the age of 18. I stayed bitter and angry until Jesus saved me and gave me the strength to get over it, so now I live and I laugh. Praise God!
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RE: When is a family too big. - 8/28/2008 3:22:29 PM
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I don't think it's funny. And it isn't a matter of being saved, thank you, as I know I am. It isn't a matter of forgiving, either, as I HAVE forgiven my mother. It's a matter of respect for human life.
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RE: When is a family too big. - 8/28/2008 3:22:48 PM
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Along with "we have to tie a pork chop around your neck otherwise even the dogs won't play with you".
Ahahahaha!!!
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RE: When is a family too big. - 8/28/2008 3:23:37 PM
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Speaking of respect for HUMAN LIFE is it being respectful to have a child without the ability to provide for it? or is that just a passive aggressive way of being a child abuser?
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RE: When is a family too big. - 8/28/2008 3:24:37 PM
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When I was a teenager I heard it quite often, and I was a pretty good teen! My mom was very suspicous.
I would rather hear it in anger, knowing they probably don't really feel that way, than know that it was true because they can't take or won't care of me, or my siblings.
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RE: When is a family too big. - 8/28/2008 3:25:21 PM
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I don't think it's funny. And it isn't a matter of being saved, thank you, as I know I am. It isn't a matter of forgiving, either, as I HAVE forgiven my mother. It's a matter of respect for human life.
I'm sorry you were hurt, Jenny, but just look what God has done. He allowed you to become a loving Mother to your boys so they wouldn't have to experience the pain you did. Rejoice and be glad!
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RE: When is a family too big. - 8/28/2008 3:39:43 PM
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the Susanna Wesley joke is an old one for us Methodists.
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RE: When is a family too big. - 8/28/2008 3:40:44 PM
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Is it right to knowingly inflict added financial burdens on others (who cannot opt out of contributing) in order to raise those kids? I'm surprised at this question. Without getting too political, if the majority if Americans don't feel that their taxes should be spent this way, how is it that these policies get made within your democracy? Sometimes the down-side of a democracy is that we are covenant bound to support the results of a vote, even if we voted against it. That's what makes a democratic society a society.
So, in this case it would be immoral to be the one desiring to opt out of contributing financially to a tax system and distribution plan that has been approved through a democratic government. (OK not immoral to just 'desire' to opt out -- but hypocritical to only support the results of majority-rule when you are in the majority.)
There is nothing immoral about knowing what your society has chosen to do to support people in various situations, then, knowing that with that source of income you can do a proper job of providing for your children, to go ahead and produce them. (Not referencing welfare - for people who can't work, and using it even though you could work if you wanted to... but using it, and other programs, for what it was actually designed for, when you actually fit that situation.)
I can't 'opt out' of having my taxes build new roads where I feel they are not necessary, but that doesn't make the people who drive on those roads immoral. They are not taking advantage of me or other people, nor are they stealing from me. I trusted a government that only gives me one vote. I gave them the right to set, collect and distribute taxes. It's a risk. Sometimes it doesn't go my way. If I want to change it I use my voice and my vote. Sometimes enough votes change things, and sometimes there are enough votes that like it as it is -- either way I don't bemoan as if I am being taken advantage of. I don't attack the morality of people who accept and appreciate what my society has deemed it acceptable to distribute to them.
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RE: When is a family too big. - 8/28/2008 3:42:38 PM
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I didn't know you were Methodist, Bluestone. I attended a Methodist church for a while after the Lutheran one I was in kicked me out (long story). But I have very fond memories of that Methodist church. It was the only church I've ever attended that had a female minister, but she mentored me during a very dark period of my life. I'll always be grateful to her.
Anyways.....
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RE: When is a family too big. - 8/28/2008 3:47:54 PM
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Susannah Wesley, John Wesley's mother, had nineteen living children.
she said that to have privacy, she sat in a chair and pulled her skirts up over her head.
Perhaps if she had kept her skirts pulled down....
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Yeah, little did she know that hiding from her kids was a mistaken sign to her husband that she was ready for another!!
For some reason, I don't find this humorous. I always thought she was praying under her skirt.
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Don't expect me to fall over and believe some of the garbage you are peddling when it's "ME" having to feed your children and pay for their medical needs.
I must be very odd, because I really don't mind my tax dollars going to some of these gov. programs that are for people. Maybe I'm wrong... I've never studied it, nor looked deeply into it like some of you have.
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RE: When is a family too big. - 8/28/2008 4:17:22 PM
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Bottom Line for me:
When a married couple knows for a fact up-front that they personally do not have the means (financially, spiritually, physically, mentally or psychologically) to properly care for/raise children or additional children...the decision should be made not to have any or not to have any more.
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RE: When is a family too big. - 8/28/2008 5:02:09 PM
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Bottom Line for me:
When a married couple knows for a fact up-front that they personally do not have the means (financially, spiritually, physically, mentally or psychologically) to properly care for/raise children or additional children...the decision should be made not to have any or not to have any more.
I just read through the thread and this is pretty much how I feel.
We belonged to a church where the qf lifestyle was really pushed. The pastor and his wife had 9 children and would have had more but she ended up with a hysterectomy. They were ones that would be disappointed when they found out they were going to have another. Then there was another family that was truly excited for each one and then another where the wife was happy but you could clearly see the husband wasn't, he would say how he was worried how he was going to provide for the family.
I honestly couldn't care less how many children a couple has but like has been said they should know a head of time they can provide for them, meaning the money they make now can support another child.
I have three children and have never had anyone ask me why I have so many. Really three isn't a number that should raise too many eyebrows, it isn't a large family. I wonder if people get comments because they tend to explain why they have the number they do. Really when it gets down to it it is no ones business and if I didn't want the comments I wouldn't tell people why had the number I had.
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