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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/28/2008 1:14:31 PM
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rcamejo01
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hey pooh, Ayani---Check it.WOW!
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/28/2008 1:23:00 PM
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hey pooh, Ayani---Check it.WOW!
the proper term for them are RINO's (republicans in name only)...
but if you know me, i am not to concerned with the name of republican...instead, please provide evidence of a conservative platform for BO...
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/28/2008 1:32:42 PM
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They have been rewriting history books for quite some time, minimizing the contributions of the founding fathers of the country, etc. Maybe they can work in a few chapters on the dinosaurs' contribution to society, maybe even the trilobytes! Or maybe that dinosaurs would still rule the world if not for the Democrats. But that wouldn't work either. Democrats wouldn't want a species to become extinct. Must have been Republicans, George Bush, Dick Cheney, and Big Oil! 
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raphael, i of course believe in dinosaurs...read Job (i.e. bohemuth and leviathon)...we are not stupid you know...
Paul, it is Paul right. I had to say something like that. I know there are Christians that are intelligent enough to know that they actually existed. But I'm not sure if it's a Southern thing or what man, but you would be surprised at the number of Christians down here that actually do believe that they never existed!
as far as faith is concerned, the more you study and eventually believe, the more you have to become declarative in your beliefs. it is unavoidable. and we need to study the Bible (2 Tim 2:15)...
but, when it comes to mere facts about what might have existed, well, best not to discard but hold judgement until asking God Himself.
although, it is keen to remember what is theory and what is not. if carbon-dating is disproved, then....uh-oh...we might need some new biology/history books.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/29/2008 11:36:52 AM
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huskarine
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ORIGINAL: rcamejo01
hey pooh, Ayani---Check it.WOW!
the proper term for them are RINO's (republicans in name only)...
but if you know me, i am not to concerned with the name of republican...instead, please provide evidence of a conservative platform for BO...
I doubt if Conservative's are for anything but themselves! 
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Americans first and Republicans second
I will never understand how Conservative's parrot the talking points of the wealthy TV/Radio hosts without the slightest hint of irony.
The quote credited to PT Barnum said it best: "There's a sucker born every minute."
(with sarcasm) thanks for objectively arguing my point.
(with seriousness) I am a conservative because i am a christian, and i believe the moral law needs to come from the Bible as much as possible. Primarily, in social issues such as abortion, same-sex marriage, and the 2nd ammendment, the moral law needs to be the base of our laws as much as possible. without an underlying moral law, you might as well try to rationalize anarchy (impossible)...and even communism...
i am quite insulted that you would say that i am about myself, when everyday i pray for God to reduce me so i can be about Jesus and His will....
grace and peace,
Paul
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/29/2008 11:43:24 AM
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TaoPoohBear
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please provide evidence of a conservative platform for BO...
Asked & answered -
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
The most Conservative Democrat ever nominated, can McCain equal it?
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/29/2008 11:47:16 AM
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Your cute little attempt at humor (PT Barnum's quote) better fits when applied to the liberal/socialist agenda that has been pushed ever since Roosevelt's New Deal. Has any of it worked? We have thrown billions (trillions?) of taxpayer dollars at programs to "level the playing field" and still it is said we have to do more. When will people in general start taking responsibility for their actions and their lives instead of looking for government handouts? The Dems have been very good at "educating" people to look to government to solve all their problems.
Conservatives are all for helping those truly in need, but they will first and foremost try to help people to help themselves. But they have to overcome the popular notion that government should take care of them from cradle to grave. That's pretty difficult when the liberal media is promoting the socialist stance on the basis of "fairness." Conservative talk show hosts like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, and Laura Ingraham are bringing the Conservative viewpoint to the public. But you decry their efforts, make them out to be crazy or uncaring, and try to silence them, all the while spouting off about free speech and fairness.
-Dave
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ORIGINAL: huskarine
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ORIGINAL: rcamejo01
hey pooh, Ayani---Check it.WOW!
the proper term for them are RINO's (republicans in name only)...
but if you know me, i am not to concerned with the name of republican...instead, please provide evidence of a conservative platform for BO...
I doubt if Conservative's are for anything but themselves!
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(from rcamejo01's article)
Americans first and Republicans second
I will never understand how Conservative's parrot the talking points of the wealthy TV/Radio hosts without the slightest hint of irony.
The quote credited to PT Barnum said it best: "There's a sucker born every minute."
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-Dave
The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/29/2008 11:48:35 AM
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ORIGINAL: huskarine
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ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear
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ORIGINAL: huskarine
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ORIGINAL: rcamejo01
hey pooh, Ayani---Check it.WOW!
the proper term for them are RINO's (republicans in name only)...
but if you know me, i am not to concerned with the name of republican...instead, please provide evidence of a conservative platform for BO...
I doubt if Conservative's are for anything but themselves!
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(from rcamejo01's article)
Americans first and Republicans second
I will never understand how Conservative's parrot the talking points of the wealthy TV/Radio hosts without the slightest hint of irony.
The quote credited to PT Barnum said it best: "There's a sucker born every minute."
(with sarcasm) thanks for objectively arguing my point.
(with seriousness) I am a conservative because i am a christian, and i believe the moral law needs to come from the Bible as much as possible. Primarily, in social issues such as abortion, same-sex marriage, and the 2nd ammendment, the moral law needs to be the base of our laws as much as possible. without an underlying moral law, you might as well try to rationalize anarchy (impossible)...and even communism...
i am quite insulted that you would say that i am about myself, when everyday i pray for God to reduce me so i can be about Jesus and His will....
grace and peace,
Paul
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I would agree, BUT -
You're dodging the point:
Who's interpretation of the Bible?!
Jesus was more of a Democrat than a Republican.
I see you skipped my post directed at your question!
But choose the the one that you could "self-righteously" defend.
Like Job indeed.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/29/2008 11:55:25 AM
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ORIGINAL: huskarine
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ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear
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ORIGINAL: huskarine
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ORIGINAL: rcamejo01
hey pooh, Ayani---Check it.WOW!
the proper term for them are RINO's (republicans in name only)...
but if you know me, i am not to concerned with the name of republican...instead, please provide evidence of a conservative platform for BO...
I doubt if Conservative's are for anything but themselves!
quote:
(from rcamejo01's article)
Americans first and Republicans second
I will never understand how Conservative's parrot the talking points of the wealthy TV/Radio hosts without the slightest hint of irony.
The quote credited to PT Barnum said it best: "There's a sucker born every minute."
(with sarcasm) thanks for objectively arguing my point.
(with seriousness) I am a conservative because i am a christian, and i believe the moral law needs to come from the Bible as much as possible. Primarily, in social issues such as abortion, same-sex marriage, and the 2nd ammendment, the moral law needs to be the base of our laws as much as possible. without an underlying moral law, you might as well try to rationalize anarchy (impossible)...and even communism...
i am quite insulted that you would say that i am about myself, when everyday i pray for God to reduce me so i can be about Jesus and His will....
grace and peace,
Paul
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I would agree, BUT -
You're dodging the point:
Who's interpretation of the Bible?!
Jesus was more of a Democrat than a Republican.
I see you skipped my post directed at your question!
But choose the the one that you could "self-righteously" defend.
Like Job indeed.
as you can see (i hope you can see), my previous post was directed to the one before, but since you are still accusing me of being self-righteous, i will not debate you anymore. simply, you are hostile and lack showing grace and understanding.
call it a dodge or not, i will not debate you since there are personal issues to be worked on. know that i am praying for you.
grace and peace,
Paul
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/29/2008 11:56:17 AM
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TaoPoohBear
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Conservatives are all for helping those truly in need, but they will first and foremost try to help people to help themselves. But they have to overcome the popular notion that government should take care of them from cradle to grave. That's pretty difficult when the liberal media is promoting the socialist stance on the basis of "fairness." Conservative talk show hosts like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, and Laura Ingraham are bringing the Conservative viewpoint to the public. But you decry their efforts, make them out to be crazy or uncaring, and try to silence them, all the while spouting off about free speech and fairness.
You mean like Katrina?
Or Enron's "Bush buddies" jacking up electicity rates?
Or the war profiteering - http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/09/60minutes/main1302378.shtml
If you want to listen to wealthy people tell you how to think, that's your problem.
Don't like it pointed out to you? You've taken your first step in growing up.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/29/2008 11:57:54 AM
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as you can see (i hope you can see), my previous post was directed to the one before, but since you are still accusing me of being self-righteous, i will not debate you anymore. simply, you are hostile and lack showing grace and understanding.
call it a dodge or not, i will not debate you since there are personal issues to be worked on. know that i am praying for you.
grace and peace,
Paul
Job would be proud.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/29/2008 12:04:12 PM
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rcamejo01
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
Your cute little attempt at humor (PT Barnum's quote) better fits when applied to the liberal/socialist agenda that has been pushed ever since Roosevelt's New Deal. Has any of it worked? We have thrown billions (trillions?) of taxpayer dollars at programs to "level the playing field" and still it is said we have to do more. When will people in general start taking responsibility for their actions and their lives instead of looking for government handouts? The Dems have been very good at "educating" people to look to government to solve all their problems.
Conservatives are all for helping those truly in need, but they will first and foremost try to help people to help themselves. But they have to overcome the popular notion that government should take care of them from cradle to grave. That's pretty difficult when the liberal media is promoting the socialist stance on the basis of "fairness." Conservative talk show hosts like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, and Laura Ingraham are bringing the Conservative viewpoint to the public. But you decry their efforts, make them out to be crazy or uncaring, and try to silence them, all the while spouting off about free speech and fairness.
-Dave
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ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear
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ORIGINAL: huskarine
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ORIGINAL: rcamejo01
hey pooh, Ayani---Check it.WOW!
the proper term for them are RINO's (republicans in name only)...
but if you know me, i am not to concerned with the name of republican...instead, please provide evidence of a conservative platform for BO...
I doubt if Conservative's are for anything but themselves!
quote:
(from rcamejo01's article)
Americans first and Republicans second
I will never understand how Conservative's parrot the talking points of the wealthy TV/Radio hosts without the slightest hint of irony.
The quote credited to PT Barnum said it best: "There's a sucker born every minute."
quote:
Conservative talk show hosts like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, and Laura Ingraham are bringing the Conservative viewpoint to the public. But you decry their efforts, make them out to be crazy or uncaring, and try to silence them, all the while spouting off about free speech and fairness
Dave, I have never meant to insult you or Paul or anyone here. My best friends in the world are Conservatives. i have fraternity brothers I am deeply close to who are conservative, we disagree politically, but we never insult eachother. As far as Rush and Hannity namely, they are the same type of Whack jobs to the right as any other whacko the left may have. To Rush, if you don't agree with him automatically you hate America? Come on dude. And Mr. Hannity is nothing more than a protoge of Rush.
Here's the way I really stand on this issue of the election, hopefully it helps with out drawing insults from those who confuse arguing with insulting. I'm for Obama/Biden, however if after the cards are played we get McCain/ Palin, I won't be jumping off a bridge. Life will go on. Vice-versa.
Conservatives thought in 92 that the world was about to end after the election. If McCain wins outright especially without any controversy like 2000 or 2004, than cool beans Bro, Praise Jesus and Rock on! Ultimately Neither candidate will be able to do anything "destructive" without God allowing him.
Grace and Peace to you too Dave! Have a good Labor day weekend!!!
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/29/2008 12:26:44 PM
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Begging your pardon, but who was mayor of New Orleans who did not allow buses to evacuate until it was too late? Who was governor of Louisiana who was so overwhelmed she couldn't act coherently? Weren't these both Democrats? Didn't Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida (who had Republicans as governors, and who also suffered damage) start getting things fixed while Louisiana and New Orleans went around crying for help? No, of course not. How stupid of me to even suggest such a thing! We all know how caring and compassionate the liberal Dems are.
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ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
Conservatives are all for helping those truly in need, but they will first and foremost try to help people to help themselves. But they have to overcome the popular notion that government should take care of them from cradle to grave. That's pretty difficult when the liberal media is promoting the socialist stance on the basis of "fairness." Conservative talk show hosts like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, and Laura Ingraham are bringing the Conservative viewpoint to the public. But you decry their efforts, make them out to be crazy or uncaring, and try to silence them, all the while spouting off about free speech and fairness.
You mean like Katrina?
Or Enron's "Bush buddies" jacking up electicity rates?
Or the war profiteering - http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/09/60minutes/main1302378.shtml
If you want to listen to wealthy people tell you how to think, that's your problem.
Don't like it pointed out to you? You've taken your first step in growing up.
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-Dave
The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/29/2008 12:32:14 PM
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
Begging your pardon, but who was mayor of New Orleans who did not allow buses to evacuate until it was too late? Who was governor of Louisiana who was so overwhelmed she couldn't act coherently? Weren't these both Democrats? Didn't Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida (who had Republicans as governors, and who also suffered damage) start getting things fixed while Louisiana and New Orleans went around crying for help? No, of course not. How stupid of me to even suggest such a thing! We all know how caring and compassionate the liberal Dems are.
-Dave
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ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
Conservatives are all for helping those truly in need, but they will first and foremost try to help people to help themselves. But they have to overcome the popular notion that government should take care of them from cradle to grave. That's pretty difficult when the liberal media is promoting the socialist stance on the basis of "fairness." Conservative talk show hosts like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, and Laura Ingraham are bringing the Conservative viewpoint to the public. But you decry their efforts, make them out to be crazy or uncaring, and try to silence them, all the while spouting off about free speech and fairness.
You mean like Katrina?
Or Enron's "Bush buddies" jacking up electicity rates?
Or the war profiteering - http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/09/60minutes/main1302378.shtml
If you want to listen to wealthy people tell you how to think, that's your problem.
Don't like it pointed out to you? You've taken your first step in growing up.
Polly want a cracker?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/11/AR2006021101409.html
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/29/2008 3:27:58 PM
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ayani
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hey pooh, Ayani---Check it.WOW!
Hey, that's neat!
Its good to hear from reasonable people like that who have looked at the issues and candidates, and aren't buying the fear tactics and negativity that had divided America into 'red' and 'blue'.
They realized that Barack Obama is a man of character, wisdom and intelligence, with a committment to bringing people together by respecting and listening to Americans of diffent political views.
The important point that people like Republicans for Obama show us is that we can feel confident that Barack is qualified and prepared to be a very good president. And, if you are attracted to his message and philosophy, don't be afraid: that which attracts us to him is not an illusiion, it is really there.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/29/2008 3:53:52 PM
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What a clever remark! Every thread has its comedians.
Read the report you linked. It doesn't just blame Conservatives. It says all branches of all governments from Bush on down had a hand in the problem. But then I guess you didn't read that part. Probably too busy thinking up clever comeback remarks.
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
Begging your pardon, but who was mayor of New Orleans who did not allow buses to evacuate until it was too late? Who was governor of Louisiana who was so overwhelmed she couldn't act coherently? Weren't these both Democrats? Didn't Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida (who had Republicans as governors, and who also suffered damage) start getting things fixed while Louisiana and New Orleans went around crying for help? No, of course not. How stupid of me to even suggest such a thing! We all know how caring and compassionate the liberal Dems are.
-Dave
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ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
Conservatives are all for helping those truly in need, but they will first and foremost try to help people to help themselves. But they have to overcome the popular notion that government should take care of them from cradle to grave. That's pretty difficult when the liberal media is promoting the socialist stance on the basis of "fairness." Conservative talk show hosts like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, and Laura Ingraham are bringing the Conservative viewpoint to the public. But you decry their efforts, make them out to be crazy or uncaring, and try to silence them, all the while spouting off about free speech and fairness.
You mean like Katrina?
Or Enron's "Bush buddies" jacking up electicity rates?
Or the war profiteering - http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/09/60minutes/main1302378.shtml
If you want to listen to wealthy people tell you how to think, that's your problem.
Don't like it pointed out to you? You've taken your first step in growing up.
Polly want a cracker?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/11/AR2006021101409.html
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-Dave
The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/29/2008 10:23:02 PM
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WOW! So like McSame Picked Palin Alaska'a Governor. Pretty cool, considering nobody knows who she is. However, she is 100 times easier to look at than Joe Biden, not to mention Grandpa McSame, LOL! Most of you guys here should be thrilled. I might just watch the debates....just to check her out, LOL!
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/29/2008 10:26:34 PM
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If you want to listen to wealthy people tell you how to think, that's your problem.
No problem for me and I never listen to Obama's rich supporters or any of his wealthy celebrity friends. I go by the facts not someone elses opinions.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/29/2008 10:33:03 PM
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stonek
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
Conservatives are all for helping those truly in need, but they will first and foremost try to help people to help themselves. But they have to overcome the popular notion that government should take care of them from cradle to grave. That's pretty difficult when the liberal media is promoting the socialist stance on the basis of "fairness." Conservative talk show hosts like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, and Laura Ingraham are bringing the Conservative viewpoint to the public. But you decry their efforts, make them out to be crazy or uncaring, and try to silence them, all the while spouting off about free speech and fairness.
That's because some only believe free speech and fairness only applies to the liberals not those that disagree with them.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/29/2008 10:37:12 PM
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rcamejo01
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That's because some only believe free speech and fairness only applies to the liberals not those that disagree with them.
LOL! Dude, do you really believe the stuff you put on here? Or like do you smoke a fat one before you decide to reply?
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/30/2008 12:24:51 PM
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