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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 11:58:02 PM
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I just wonder where all you folks met Jesus at? Cause you all seem to express your selves in such a hateful manner. Well, O-Dark- Thirty cames way to fast, you all have been quite entertaining today. Hopefully Sinners won't come to you for spiritual guidance. On that note, time for a drink, nightly prayer and bed! Good Nite!
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 12:04:11 AM
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you can't deny it though when James is saying that your faith will show the works/fruit that has been born.
Look dude, going back and forth with you guys has been quite entertaining and stressful at times. Nothing is worse than someone questioning my faith. That isn't Christian, it's rather insulting. I was a hardcore Republican/ Pro lifer for 14 years. I changed in 2004, mind you that I changed politically only. I think like alot of Christians on both sides that there must always exist a seperation of church and state.
Just look at Pat Robetson. The guy ends every show or used to by leading the sinners prayer, than a couple years ago was quoted saying that our military should send our Special Ops. to Venezuela to assassinate Chavez! I mean come on bro, where do we draw the line with fanaticism?
guys like Robertson, Falwell, Haggee, then you have Whack Jobs like Bill O' Reilly speaking for them too. O' Reilly! Thats like listening to Al-Queda(i'll never hear the end of this one). Anyways Bro, I appreciate your passion for Christ, but I am a Democrat, always will be, am a Christian, former Pastor, I know my position in Christ. Keep on trucking Brother but man, don't be so hateful just cause you don't agree with some folks, after all you gotta spend eternity with me, LOL! 
If fifty million dead isn't enough to end your participation in the abortion party, how many million will it take? Will you remain faithful when 75 million are dead? 100 million? 200 million? Can the slaughter ever get so large that you will have had enough?
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 12:15:32 AM
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Yeah a the "abortion" party as you so eloquently out it was founded in 1792 by Thomas Jefferson, I don't believe Roe v. Wade happened till 1972? But I digress, how many American Lives should we waste in Iraq? 5,000, 10, 000 50,000? Or should we be there 100 years like some Moron from Arizona put it? Hmmm.....If life began at conception or at birth I doubt means much to them, after all I can't get pregnant since I am male, so I cant ever get an abortion, however, these troops wear the uniform to ensure all our rights and freedoms aren't attacked, even if they don't agree with them. Now, I'm really going to sleep. Soldiers love Sick call in the mornings.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 12:20:31 AM
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Yeah a the "abortion" party as you so eloquently out it was founded in 1792 by Thomas Jefferson, I don't believe Roe v. Wade happened till 1972? But I digress, how many American Lives should we waste in Iraq? 5,000, 10, 000 50,000? Or should we be there 100 years like some Moron from Arizona put it? Hmmm.....If life began at conception or at birth I doubt means much to them, after all I can't get pregnant since I am male, so I cant ever get an abortion, however, these troops wear the uniform to ensure all our rights and freedoms aren't attacked, even if they don't agree with them. Now, I'm really going to sleep. Soldiers love Sick call in the mornings.
I had never thought of it that way - good point. Thank you for a different point of view.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 12:38:17 AM
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I would like to know where in the Bible does it says we have to vote?
The Bible is quite clear that we are to be the best citizens we can be under whatever government we happen to live. I don't have the time to look up the verses (I don't have them memorized), but maybe someone else with more time could. We are to honor our leaders as much as possible, and live under the law of the land unless that law violates God's law. We are to pay our taxes, rendering unto "Caesar" what is "his". The government we live with right now is a government that we get to actually participate in. Not doing so would be flat-out irresponsible.
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the Democrat party are sinners because they like abortions and gay rights, are liberal(which the word is in the Bible 4 times, no conservative!)they are liars, all that.
True dat.
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the Republicans murder by the Death Penalty and the poverty the keep forwarding helping the very rich of this countrywhile starving millions of others in other countries, they are liars, they are warmongers, etc.
The death penalty is completely Biblical, and is not considered "murder". Second, in 2007 a total of 42 convicted criminals were executed. 28 were white, 14 were black (for any "the-man-discriminates-against-blacks" conspiracy nuts out there).
Compare the execution of 42 convicted criminals who had many years of appeals to the 2,000,000+ babies murdered in 2007, babies who had no appeal process.
Do you see how silly your argument is?
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The Bible mentions the poor over 1000 times.
Murder about 11 times!
And murder also happens to have the "honor" of being part of the "Big Ten" Commandments. How many times does God have to say it before it becomes "serious"? Also, the Bible is quite clear concerning principles of life, like when life begins (at or even before conception) and why human life is sacred (made in the image of God).
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WE want our gov't to kill people for us on Death Row. But don't do what the Bible says and take care of the poor.
Yes, I want my government to protect me from murderers.
We have gone through this before: look around! America is the most generous nation on Earth, and we do more to help our poor than any nation in the world. Our "poor" are rich compared to any other nation's "poor". America has more homeless shelters, food programs, outreach programs, single mother programs, orphan programs, adoption programs, and welfare programs than any other country you want to visit. And you know what? Most of it is done by generous Christians, and the US church also spreads the generosity around the WORLD.
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My choices are a man that will continue the policies AGAINST the poor.
We don't have "policies against the poor", unless you count the way the welfare system helped create a bunch of fatherless black homes and the way it helps continue a cycle of poverty. Oh, and I forgot the policy of genocide against black Americans via abortion. (1 out of 2 black babies is murdered in the womb)
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And more war, the killing of innocents. And can do nothing to actually stop abortions.
You do a disservice to the thousands of loving people who are out there every day in the trenches, manning crisis pregnancy centers, encouraging young mothers, helping streamline adoption, and fighting in the courts.
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I know this, whoever wins becomes king of Babylon, ruler over the ancient city of Babylon
and it's all Gods Will. Can't change none of it.
If Christians sit home during elections and sit home every day but Sunday, you may be right.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 12:49:51 AM
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 12:55:15 AM
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Yeah a the "abortion" party as you so eloquently out it was founded in 1792 by Thomas Jefferson, I don't believe Roe v. Wade happened till 1972? But I digress, how many American Lives should we waste in Iraq? 5,000, 10, 000 50,000? Or should we be there 100 years like some Moron from Arizona put it? Hmmm.....If life began at conception or at birth I doubt means much to them, after all I can't get pregnant since I am male, so I cant ever get an abortion, however, these troops wear the uniform to ensure all our rights and freedoms aren't attacked, even if they don't agree with them. Now, I'm really going to sleep. Soldiers love Sick call in the mornings.
Good point, to call the Democratic party the abortion party is inadequate. Better to call them the party of Death. It's not just abortion that they like. They also like harvesting very little human beings so they can perform experiments on them. They also like execution by starvation. Their biggest regret about Terri Schiavo is that they couldn't kill her sooner.
And let's not forget so-called assisted suicide. It isn't an accident that Dr. Death's (Jack Kervorkian) attorney won the Michigan Democratic primary for governor.
50 million dead since Death Roe and they haven't had enough.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 8:12:49 AM
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Yeah a the "abortion" party as you so eloquently out it was founded in 1792 by Thomas Jefferson, I don't believe Roe v. Wade happened till 1972? But I digress, how many American Lives should we waste in Iraq? 5,000, 10, 000 50,000? Or should we be there 100 years like some Moron from Arizona put it? Hmmm.....If life began at conception or at birth I doubt means much to them, after all I can't get pregnant since I am male, so I cant ever get an abortion, however, these troops wear the uniform to ensure all our rights and freedoms aren't attacked, even if they don't agree with them. Now, I'm really going to sleep. Soldiers love Sick call in the mornings.
i admire your passion for our troops (keeping in mind that I am not to long ago separated from that status)...however, i must address that they are fighting to ensure that we have domestic sovereignty.
us, those who oppose any form of abortion in any case, believe that abortion is the chief domestic issue to be concerned about. I would consider abortion to be america's darfur. it is a modern day genocide, a modern day disgrace. i, a life member of the NRA, would rather see my 2nd ammendment rights stripped than see someone lose their right to life. (believe me, this is just a comparison on my values)...
"If life began at conception or at birth I doubt means much to them,"
-whether it personally means much to them, or it doesn't, it truly doesn't matter. both candidates have claimed what they support and have a proven track record about it. scientifically, you can not establish when ensoulment begins. you can establish when physical life begins (the forming of the DNA), but you would have to agree that we are different than animals and plants, in that we have souls. so the question is, arguing from faith, when do we become ensouled???
my answer is that no one on this earth (outside of Jesus) that has ever lived, is living, or will live, has known, knows, and will not know when we are ensouled.
in conclusion, it is better to play it safe. I happen to believe that it is God at work when one is created, when one is ensouled. to take away from this miracle is to outrightly, sinfully protest against God during His creation. simply, we are more than DNA and dust.
rcamejo01, i am trying to peacefully present my case, and all of us are praying for you. no one has hard feelings against you. we are taught and it is good teaching to love God and hate sin. abortion is murder, it is a sin, a very detestable sin. and for me, personally, intolerable.
one last thing, to take away morality from any government is take away the very nature of it's laws. so, if you take away morality from our Constitution, what do we exactly stand on anyway??? what is this morality, and where does it come from??? (the where is the most important to me)
simply put, it is a catch-22 to be dualistic. essentially, becoming a man without a chest...castrating the geldings and bidding them to be fruitful.
grace and peace,
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 8:30:00 AM
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WOW! Dude I have FInally Seen Christ in you! And I am not trying to be funny here either. My whole point since yesterday, is that we Christians come in all different colors and shapes. Not all will agree. Look, I am not crazy about Roe V. Wade. I personally wouldn't want to see a pregnancy terminated out of convinience either.
I don't agree with All the policies of the political party I happen to belong to, Heck I probably wouldn't agree Theologically with most of ya'll on minor issues either, but that would never lead me to think that your any less of a christian than I am. I can see by your posts on here and your fellow Pro- life warriors that you guys are deeply passionate about pro-life, Amen! Thats awesome, my thing is that I don't think it will ever get overturned in our life time.
Look, I am a single dad who doesn't get any support from an Ex or the Govt. I work extremely hard to rear my son on my own and offer him all the things he needs and occasionally what he wants. If Roe V. Wade were to be overturned I admit it would be Great! Praise God, however, i don't see how it would help me or others out there meet our financial needs.
And for you ignoramuses out there, yes I have a job! And am a Veteran as my brother here, so show some respect!
Now Paul back to you, I enjoyed finding this site and all the wonderful Christian resources it offers, but man, we need to treat eachother a lil' better, I included! If a lost person were to read some of these comments we've p[osted on here, they might think we were crazy.
Anyways, I'll be checking in from time to time, it's 0730 on Fort Campbell, KY and Sick call is still on.
God Bless you Paul and all you fellow posters.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 8:51:00 AM
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48,589,996 Abortions and Counting.
More babies have been killed through abortion than all the wars combined.
That's the facts and the truth.
Why the killing of babies when thousands upon thousands would be more than happy to adopt those babies?
Why don't babies have a choice? How can christians remove God from this equation?
Should we feed the poor? Yes and it doesn't take the government to feed the poor. Every church across our country as well as our local communiy citizens should on some level be participating in feeding the poor here in our country and even the world.
What are you doing to feed the poor?
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 8:56:40 AM
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What are you doing to feed the poor?
Every bit that I can, it's not exactly easy feeding my son and I, but I do what I can to feed the poor as you ask.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 9:13:20 AM
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48,589,996 Abortions and Counting.
More babies have been killed through abortion than all the wars combined.
That's the facts and the truth.
Why the killing of babies when thousands upon thousands would be more than happy to adopt those babies?
Why don't babies have a choice? How can christians remove God from this equation?
Should we feed the poor? Yes and it doesn't take the government to feed the poor. Every church across our country as well as our local communiy citizens should on some level be participating in feeding the poor here in our country and even the world.
What are you doing to feed the poor?
"Why the killing of babies when thousands upon thousands would be more than happy to adopt those babies?"
i love this and i agree in principle, but be very cautious about an open-ended statement. there are people out there who will tear you apart for it. i for one made a sophomoric comment like this only to find that thousands upon thousands doesn't cover for 3500 a day. not to mention all of the time, money, ability, and paperwork!!!
best to state a principle and then leave a reference.
my personal opinion is to for us to ban abortion, and then brace for impact as we see our population outright double...but at least people will be using caution when having sex in that retrospect.
to make this truly work, you have to be able to accept a worse-case scenario...which is a lot of parents, who aren't ready to be parents, and a lot more babies out there. but all of this, is better than sinning.
i believe in grace...through this, we are able to come to grips against some strong generational sins.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 12:08:42 PM
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The Bible is quite clear that we are to be the best citizens we can be under whatever government we happen to live. I don't have the time to look up the verses (I don't have them memorized), but maybe someone else with more time could. We are to honor our leaders as much as possible, and live under the law of the land unless that law violates God's law. We are to pay our taxes, rendering unto "Caesar" what is "his". The government we live with right now is a government that we get to actually participate in. Not doing so would be flat-out irresponsible.
So no verses , ok. May I recommend this Bible, it's fast, free and easy.
Before debating it, we should know it.
http://www.e-sword.net/
I'm a citizen of Heaven. I've been translated into the family of Jesus, not satan who runs this world.
Php 3:20 For our citizenship is in Heaven, from which also we are looking for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,
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The death penalty is completely Biblical, and is not considered "murder". Second, in 2007 a total of 42 convicted criminals were executed. 28 were white, 14 were black (for any "the-man-discriminates-against-blacks" conspiracy nuts out there).
What about 2006, 2005, 1988? How about before segregation ended?
So all those lynchings were justified? ok
Stoning people is Biblical under the OLD LAW, but did'nt Jesus coming and dying on Cross change all that?
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And murder also happens to have the "honor" of being part of the "Big Ten" Commandments. How many times does God have to say it before it becomes "serious"? Also, the Bible is quite clear concerning principles of life, like when life begins (at or even before conception) and why human life is sacred (made in the image of God).
So does don't covet your neighbor , but we have stolen lots from our neighbors, people, oil, rubber, diamonds, etc.
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We don't have "policies against the poor",
The Republicans have policies agaisnt the poor, they hate the poor, that is so evident in this forum, it's not even funny.
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You do a disservice to the thousands of loving people who are out there every day in the trenches, manning crisis pregnancy centers, encouraging young mothers, helping streamline adoption, and fighting in the courts.
Can any of them stop abortions? Remember there have been 5 conservative prezs and SC conservative Judges, The abortions are not stopped, so just blaming BO for abortions is crazy. He was 12 when they started! v And as a president he cannot stop them. Neither can John Mccain, but Republicans like to tell that false hood!
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If Christians sit home during elections and sit home every day but Sunday, you may be right.
So if Christians vote like they did in record numbers like they did for Bush, they can still stop God's plans? LOL. Ya'll really think that?
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 12:13:20 PM
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ManimalX,
That was an extremely good post.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 12:17:19 PM
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The Bible is quite clear that we are to be the best citizens we can be under whatever government we happen to live. I don't have the time to look up the verses (I don't have them memorized), but maybe someone else with more time could. We are to honor our leaders as much as possible, and live under the law of the land unless that law violates God's law. We are to pay our taxes, rendering unto "Caesar" what is "his". The government we live with right now is a government that we get to actually participate in. Not doing so would be flat-out irresponsible.
So no verses , ok. May I recommend this Bible, it's fast, free and easy.
He is giving you biblical information. Read Romans 13. Most of us realize what he was saying and where it came from because we read our bibles.
1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4 For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. 6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing.
7 Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
The "render unto Ceaser" he quoted is from Christ himself. You can find it in the gospels.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 12:24:13 PM
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to make this truly work, you have to be able to accept a worse-case scenario...which is a lot of parents, who aren't ready to be parents, and a lot more babies out there. but all of this, is better than sinning.
no we don't want no more babies, we don't want to feed the babies here!
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 12:26:57 PM
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He is giving you biblical information. Read Romans 13. Most of us realize what he was saying and where it came from because we read our bibles.
1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4 For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. 6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing.
7 Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
The "render unto Ceaser" he quoted is from Christ himself. You can find it in the gospels.
Tthat's your verse for where we should VOTE? It's speaking of taxes, and listening to gov't . Has been used to defend the Death Penalty also.
Jesus is speaking of taxes, render unto Ceasar, etc.
when Bo raises yours to help the poor, you will have that verse to fall on.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 12:32:42 PM
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Tracy,
I hope that you don't vote.  I am not "pro" everyone voting. There are many people I hope stay home Nov. 4th.
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I would like to know where in the Bible does it says we have to vote?
The bible does not say that YOU have to vote.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 12:43:57 PM
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The Republicans have policies agaisnt the poor, they hate the poor, that is so evident in this forum, it's not even funny.
Name one policy that the GOP has that is against the poor. Or better yet, find an example on these forums of someone who "hates" the poor. It should be easy since you say it's so evident.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 12:49:33 PM
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Name one policy that the GOP has that is against the poor. Or better yet, find an example on these forums of someone who "hates" the poor. It should be easy since you say it's so evident.
Bushs tax cuts for rich, the peanuts we give in aid, the cutting of welfare, the list is really long.
Your post I would use for examples.
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Tracy,
I hope that you don't vote. I am not "pro" everyone voting. There are many people I hope stay home Nov. 4th.
My community, the african american community is VOTING in record numbers this year. WE even have the Republican conservative black vote this year.
I hope Christians stay home.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 1:07:12 PM
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I hope Christians stay home
Not all Chrisitans I hope, by the way gorgeous baby!
Obama/Biden 08!
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 1:22:31 PM
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Bushs tax cuts for rich, the peanuts we give in aid, the cutting of welfare, the list is really long.
I didn't ask for DNC talking points, I asked for aspecific GOP policy that targets the poor, or for one statement saying that they "hate" the poor. So far, you're coming up short.
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Your post I would use for examples.
Mine? Wow, I would be flattered, if only you were able to point to a single post of mine where I say I "hate the poor". You can't. Try again.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 1:23:51 PM
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davemiller7
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Conservatives (and Republicans) do NOT have policies against the poor. However, they do believe that it is better to help people help themselves rather than just throwing money and free services to those who are to lazy to help themselves. And that includes staying in school to learn something whereby they might be able to earn a living. That is Biblical, also.
Now while no President can stop abortion, by himself, it makes no sense (and I believe sinful) to vote for someone (Obama) who openly promotes abortion on demand. Only people themselves by not behaving like rabbits can stop, or at least minimize abortions. That would entail a change in peoples' hearts and behavior.
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We don't have "policies against the poor",
The Republicans have policies agaisnt the poor, they hate the poor, that is so evident in this forum, it's not even funny.
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You do a disservice to the thousands of loving people who are out there every day in the trenches, manning crisis pregnancy centers, encouraging young mothers, helping streamline adoption, and fighting in the courts.
Can any of them stop abortions? Remember there have been 5 conservative prezs and SC conservative Judges, The abortions are not stopped, so just blaming BO for abortions is crazy. He was 12 when they started! v And as a president he cannot stop them. Neither can John Mccain, but Republicans like to tell that false hood!
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The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/27/2008 1:39:21 PM
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tracydolls
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I didn't ask for DNC talking points, I asked for aspecific GOP policy that targets the poor, or for one statement saying that they "hate" the poor. So far, you're coming up short.
LOL. Their policies reflect that hatred. Everyday. I gave you specifics, you chose to ignore or not debate them. You can call them what you want, but a rose is still a rose.
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Mine? Wow, I would be flattered, if only you were able to point to a single post of mine where I say I "hate the poor". You can't. Try again .
Nahhh, you don't have to say it, I can discern for self.
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Conservatives (and Republicans) do NOT have policies against the poor.
On what Disney channel?
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Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
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