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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 10:53:23 AM
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rcamejo01
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Don't take this wrong Manimal but that thinking is the reason why I don't worship Christ at "church." Thats the reason why soo many people opt to worship at home with other Christians or Coffe shop ministries that are springing up all over town. You seem to be pretty hard core in the belief that I cannot be a Christian and vote for Obama, well, I am glad that YOU are not God! Jesus was not a Republican! Get over it folks. But thats cool too, people like you who judge a whole party based on 2 issues aren't something new. But I think you might as well get used to the Idea of Brack Hussein Obama, because it looks like McCain is the one having to come up with tricks to to win in November. I don't think America can possibly be that Stupid 3 terms in a row!
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 10:58:19 AM
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Here comes a hard truth: The only way a Christian could vote for Obama is if they have either never read the Bible, hold the Bible in low regard, or have very little understanding of it.
That is it. The Bible, God's very instruction and word to us, is very plain on things such as homosexuality and the sacred nature of life. The Democratic platform specifically promotes the normalization and ease of homosexuality and murder by abortion. Barack Obama has demonstrated that he approves of both of these practices. Voting for him is wrong, plain and simple.
You can do all the Bible gymnastics you want, but the truth is still the truth.
The same could be said for President Bush's inaction on these issues.
The difference being he took your money & support 8 years ago.
that doesn't deny the importance of the issue.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 11:00:00 AM
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huskarine
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Don't take this wrong Manimal but that thinking is the reason why I don't worship Christ at "church." Thats the reason why soo many people opt to worship at home with other Christians or Coffe shop ministries that are springing up all over town. You seem to be pretty hard core in the belief that I cannot be a Christian and vote for Obama, well, I am glad that YOU are not God! Jesus was not a Republican! Get over it folks. But thats cool too, people like you who judge a whole party based on 2 issues aren't something new. But I think you might as well get used to the Idea of Brack Hussein Obama, because it looks like McCain is the one having to come up with tricks to to win in November. I don't think America can possibly be that Stupid 3 terms in a row!
thanks for demeaning your point by not arguing his point directly.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 11:16:33 AM
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Don't take this wrong Manimal but that thinking is the reason why I don't worship Christ at "church." Thats the reason why soo many people opt to worship at home with other Christians or Coffe shop ministries that are springing up all over town.
So long as you aren't trying to be a lone-ranger Christian, then good for you. Gather wherever you want.
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You seem to be pretty hard core in the belief that I cannot be a Christian and vote for Obama,
Show me one place I ever wrote that. After you are done failing to do so, you will realize that what I said is that you either don't read your Bible, hold it in low regard, or don't undestand it much. This doesn't mean you aren't a Christian, it means you need help understanding Scripture.
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well, I am glad that YOU are not God!
You and I both!
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Jesus was not a Republican! No, but I hear he DID have an affinity for elephants...
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Get over it folks. But thats cool too, people like you who judge a whole party based on 2 issues aren't something new. But I think you might as well get used to the Idea of Brack Hussein Obama, because it looks like McCain is the one having to come up with tricks to to win in November. I don't think America can possibly be that Stupid 3 terms in a row!
The Democratic party seeks to make at least two abominable things both easier to accomplich and more culturally acceptable. This is wrong, and to support such is wrong.
As far as McCain having to come up with "tricks"... have you seen Obama's skydiving poll numbers? His polling actually went DOWN after his VP announcement, and as of the typing of this post, there is no convention bump evident. Considering that this is after the liberal media has been doing everything they can to prop Obama up, and the fact that the Bradley effect is a very real effect (black candidates polling higher than they will actually perform in the election), McCain is going to rollerskate into the Whitehouse unless he does something stupid.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 11:25:28 AM
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McCain is going to rollerskate into the Whitehouse unless he does something stupid.
Well, that is very possible I mean he is a Republican and all. I wouldn't sing Hail to the chief to Johnny boy just yet. Like Lee Corso would say " not so fast my friend." We're only 1 day into the convention and the Caucasians, err. I mean republicans haven't had theirs yet. I think it will be Obama in Nov. As far as me knowing my bible, yeah I read the scriptures. I really learned to appreciate them after reading How to read the Bible for all it's worth by Gordon Fee and Douglas Stuart while I was a freshman in Bible school 15 years ago. I like to read contextually though not just Yank scriptures out of their original contaxt to fit in 2008. Was abortion a problem in the first century? I cant seem to recall that passage.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 11:27:15 AM
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Here comes a hard truth: The only way a Christian could vote for Obama is if they have either never read the Bible, hold the Bible in low regard, or have very little understanding of it.
That is it. The Bible, God's very instruction and word to us, is very plain on things such as homosexuality and the sacred nature of life. The Democratic platform specifically promotes the normalization and ease of homosexuality and murder by abortion. Barack Obama has demonstrated that he approves of both of these practices. Voting for him is wrong, plain and simple.
You can do all the Bible gymnastics you want, but the truth is still the truth.
The same could be said for President Bush's inaction on these issues.
The difference being he took your money & support 8 years ago.
that doesn't deny the importance of the issue.
Just points out that he's singling out a Democrat he "thinks" will support sin.
I just think it'd be +1 in the sin catagory for a certain hypocrite Republican President.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 11:31:08 AM
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McCain is going to rollerskate into the Whitehouse unless he does something stupid.
Well, that is very possible I mean he is a Republican and all. I wouldn't sing Hail to the chief to Johnny boy just yet. Like Lee Corso would say " not so fast my friend." We're only 1 day into the convention and the Caucasians, err. I mean republicans haven't had theirs yet. I think it will be Obama in Nov. As far as me knowing my bible, yeah I read the scriptures. I really learned to appreciate them after reading How to read the Bible for all it's worth by Gordon Fee and Douglas Stuart while I was a freshman in Bible school 15 years ago. I like to read contextually though not just Yank scriptures out of their original contaxt to fit in 2008. Was abortion a problem in the first century? I cant seem to recall that passage.
Abortion was enough of a concern in the first century, and even earlier, that Hippocrates chose to include a refernce to it in his Oath (4th century BCE):
Hippocratic Oath -- Classical Version
I swear by Apollo Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panaceia and all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfil according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant:
To hold him who has taught me this art as equal to my parents and to live my life in partnership with him, and if he is in need of money to give him a share of mine, and to regard his offspring as equal to my brothers in male lineage and to teach them this art - if they desire to learn it - without fee and covenant; to give a share of precepts and oral instruction and all the other learning to my sons and to the sons of him who has instructed me and to pupils who have signed the covenant and have taken an oath according to the medical law, but no one else.
I will apply dietetic measures for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment; I will keep them from harm and injustice.
I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.
I will not use the knife, not even on sufferers from stone, but will withdraw in favor of such men as are engaged in this work.
Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick, remaining free of all intentional injustice, of all mischief and in particular of sexual relations with both female and male persons, be they free or slaves.
What I may see or hear in the course of the treatment or even outside of the treatment in regard to the life of men, which on no account one must spread abroad, I will keep to myself, holding such things shameful to be spoken about.
If I fulfil this oath and do not violate it, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and art, being honored with fame among all men for all time to come; if I transgress it and swear falsely, may the opposite of all this be my lot.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 11:39:04 AM
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Don't you think you're going a little too far with that racist statement?
Yeah relax! It was tongue in cheek. I don't see colors, I'm a Veteran, the only color I see is Green.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 11:41:59 AM
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Don't you think you're going a little too far with that racist statement?
Yeah relax! It was tongue in cheek. I don't see colors, I'm a Veteran, the only color I see is Green.
Thanks for your service!
I think there are enough accusations of racism that "tongue in cheek" statements are really unnecessary, don't you think?
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 11:42:36 AM
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huskarine
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ORIGINAL: ManimalX
Here comes a hard truth: The only way a Christian could vote for Obama is if they have either never read the Bible, hold the Bible in low regard, or have very little understanding of it.
That is it. The Bible, God's very instruction and word to us, is very plain on things such as homosexuality and the sacred nature of life. The Democratic platform specifically promotes the normalization and ease of homosexuality and murder by abortion. Barack Obama has demonstrated that he approves of both of these practices. Voting for him is wrong, plain and simple.
You can do all the Bible gymnastics you want, but the truth is still the truth.
The same could be said for President Bush's inaction on these issues.
The difference being he took your money & support 8 years ago.
that doesn't deny the importance of the issue.
Just points out that he's singling out a Democrat he "thinks" will support sin.
I just think it'd be +1 in the sin catagory for a certain hypocrite Republican President.
I have always said that it was a lesser of two evils vote...of course, i said that in a previous post, but you can ignore that if you want, pooh
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 11:48:49 AM
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I think there are enough accusations of racism that "tongue in cheek" statements are really unnecessary, don't you think?
point well taken, tongue in cheek thing, just another thing I picked up in Bible School. Off the subject though, I love your Avatar, LOve Texas! I never thought as a Native Floridian I would ever get to say that, but Texas was good to me.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 11:50:03 AM
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I have always said that it was a lesser of two evils vote...of course, i said that in a previous post, but you can ignore that if you want, pooh
Oh, I remember it.
Just think you're picking the greater evil with your eyes wide open.
Obama's the better man.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 11:54:20 AM
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huskarine
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I have always said that it was a lesser of two evils vote...of course, i said that in a previous post, but you can ignore that if you want, pooh
Oh, I remember it.
Just think you're picking the greater evil with your eyes wide open.
Obama's the better man.
well, for what abortion is, i will gladly love to vote for someone wanting to save more of the unborn than the other.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 12:09:22 PM
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I have always said that it was a lesser of two evils vote...of course, i said that in a previous post, but you can ignore that if you want, pooh
Oh, I remember it.
Just think you're picking the greater evil with your eyes wide open.
Obama's the better man.
well, for what abortion is, i will gladly love to vote for someone wanting to save more of the unborn than the other.
McCain and Obama on Abortion
I think Obama would reduce the number of abortions in America.
I think McCain would get us embroiled in a contraceptive arguement that would fix nothing.
Gotta go! Long night of work ahead.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 12:24:43 PM
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I have always said that it was a lesser of two evils vote...of course, i said that in a previous post, but you can ignore that if you want, pooh
Oh, I remember it.
Just think you're picking the greater evil with your eyes wide open.
Obama's the better man.
well, for what abortion is, i will gladly love to vote for someone wanting to save more of the unborn than the other.
McCain and Obama on Abortion
I think Obama would reduce the number of abortions in America.
I think McCain would get us embroiled in a contraceptive arguement that would fix nothing.
Gotta go! Long night of work ahead.
-Pooh
That article was ridiculous.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 1:01:52 PM
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How can you be a Christian and vote for any of them? I'm not buying that "lesser than 2 evils" argument either. If you line up McCain and his political/spiritual resume and the things that have come out about his personal life then a Christian should not vote for him either. Oh.....my bad.......I forgot where I'm at. Everything is cool when you have a (R) next to your name.
One is no better than the other, just like one party is no better than the other. There is evil on both sides of the aisle.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 1:07:09 PM
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Choosing between Republicans and Democrats is like choosing between the Pharisees and Sadducees. Both are enemies of Christ."
So what do we Christians who are after all Americans do, not Vote? And before you take a "spiritual " Swing at me like has been done earlier, remember, I'm just asking a question.....
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 1:08:39 PM
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huskarine
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How can you be a Christian and vote for any of them? I'm not buying that "lesser than 2 evils" argument either. If you line up McCain and his political/spiritual resume and the things that have come out about his personal life then a Christian should not vote for him either. Oh.....my bad.......I forgot where I'm at. Everything is cool when you have a (R) next to your name.
One is no better than the other, just like one party is no better than the other. There is evil on both sides of the aisle.
well, you supported my point well. thanks. i don't like either of the candidates (honestly, i miss Huckabee)....
but, we as complainers, have a responsibility as voters...thus, it comes down to a lesser of two evils, even if you don't buy it.
i simply need to vote for the one who represents the majority of my values.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 1:09:11 PM
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Oh.....my bad.......I forgot where I'm at. Everything is cool when you have a (R) next to your name.
That's just plain ridiculous....go back through these threads and see how many posts you can come up with from people who are actually, genuinely excited about Mccain for President.
I'lll help you out...there aren't that many, Most of us are quite dismayed that McCain was the best the GOP could come up with...
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 1:28:32 PM
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Amen!!!
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ORIGINAL: ManimalX
Here comes a hard truth: The only way a Christian could vote for Obama is if they have either never read the Bible, hold the Bible in low regard, or have very little understanding of it.
That is it. The Bible, God's very instruction and word to us, is very plain on things such as homosexuality and the sacred nature of life. The Democratic platform specifically promotes the normalization and ease of homosexuality and murder by abortion. Barack Obama has demonstrated that he approves of both of these practices. Voting for him is wrong, plain and simple.
You can do all the Bible gymnastics you want, but the truth is still the truth.
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The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 1:32:52 PM
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Amen!!!
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ORIGINAL: ManimalX
Here comes a hard truth: The only way a Christian could vote for Obama is if they have either never read the Bible, hold the Bible in low regard, or have very little understanding of it.
That is it. The Bible, God's very instruction and word to us, is very plain on things such as homosexuality and the sacred nature of life. The Democratic platform specifically promotes the normalization and ease of homosexuality and murder by abortion. Barack Obama has demonstrated that he approves of both of these practices. Voting for him is wrong, plain and simple.
You can do all the Bible gymnastics you want, but the truth is still the truth.
Better get ready to be disillusioned. Win or lose, millions of Christians, maybe tens of millions, are going to vote for Obama - are you prepared to dismiss so many of your co-religionists, not to mention countrymen, out of hand as somehow not really Christian?
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 1:48:07 PM
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Better get ready to be disillusioned. Win or lose, millions of Christians, maybe tens of millions, are going to vote for Obama - are you prepared to dismiss so many of your co-religionists, not to mention countrymen, out of hand as somehow not really Christian?
Wow! where you been all day?
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/26/2008 1:50:39 PM
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are you prepared to dismiss so many of your co-religionists, not to mention countrymen, out of hand as somehow not really Christian?
yes, I am. The Bible says we will know other Christians by their fruits, and voting for someone who is so anti-Christian in so many ways is not a fruit worth bearing...
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