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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/23/2008 4:22:28 PM
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solo_soprano22
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Now here is an idea that has not been floated.
While waiting to board the plane; load the kids up with prosac, Valium, Xanax, Serax, Ativan, Klonopin, Librium and.or Tranxene.
The amount could be determined by body weight and length of the flight (it should probably be doubled for the tarmac wait at a lot of the airports).
Then sweet quiet bliss for all the grumpy adults.
It would be a lot cheaper than separate sections and a lot more effective.
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Actually, you can do that. While we lived in Britain, I was friends with a fellow American ex-pat who had two toddlers. Whenever she had to fly back to the States, she would get her pediatrician to prescribe a sleeping med for the kids, that she would give them just before boarding. She loved it because it gave her some peace and quiet, as well.
As for a separate section, I'm not sure if that would work. On British trains they have a quiet car, but it doesn't always work. Once hubby and I were in one these cars with a bunch of rowdy fans going to a soccer game. Evidently the staff didn't have the courage to stand up to them, because that was one of the worst journeys of my life. It wasn't that they were just exuberant; they made a big deal about how they were flaunting the rule and deliberately sitting in the wrong car.  (And the whole train was crowded, so hubby and I couldn't have sat together anywhere else. Fortunately, the fans got off before us.)
Many here don't like the idea of "drugging" children for plane rides. I think it's okay, but depending on what it is that you give them.
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/23/2008 4:54:27 PM
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Many here don't like the idea of "drugging" children for plane rides. I think it's okay, but depending on what it is that you give them.
Well let's see, folks do not want to deal with the kids, they do not want to drug then, it is too expensive to isolate them; that only leave the duct tape option as far as I can tell.
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/23/2008 8:22:16 PM
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LOL, that is funny.
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Many here don't like the idea of "drugging" children for plane rides. I think it's okay, but depending on what it is that you give them.
Well let's see, folks do not want to deal with the kids, they do not want to drug then, it is too expensive to isolate them; that only leave the duct tape option as far as I can tell.
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/24/2008 12:45:40 AM
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This is for people who say that people shouldn't be flying with young children who are too young to handle it. My brother's former father-in-law recently passed away, and he and my niece flew to his funeral. It was the first time either of them had flown. Now, my niece is 14 years old. But what if she had been 3? My brother had no experience with airplanes himself so there was no way he could know enough of what was coming to have prepared her. If people shouldn't fly with young children who don't know what to expect or how to behave, then should my neice, had she been younger, have not been allowed to attend her grandfather's funeral? Does my question make sense?
My point is that sometimes, or even most of the time, people with young children on planes aren't there because they selfishly want to fly and take their kids with them without caring about what they are ready for. They are there because they have someplace they need to go.
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/24/2008 11:20:11 AM
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This is for people who say that people shouldn't be flying with young children who are too young to handle it. My brother's former father-in-law recently passed away, and he and my niece flew to his funeral. It was the first time either of them had flown. Now, my niece is 14 years old. But what if she had been 3? My brother had no experience with airplanes himself so there was no way he could know enough of what was coming to have prepared her. If people shouldn't fly with young children who don't know what to expect or how to behave, then should my neice, had she been younger, have not been allowed to attend her grandfather's funeral? Does my question make sense?
After reading this thread I think there are 2 distinct issues that people are trying to combine as 1. There are children that will be frightened and cry and that's perfectly ok in my opinion, then there are the kids that don't behave. The ones that kick the back of your seats run up and down the isle and smack people intentionally bother others because they have not been taught better. Just because a child is three doesn't mean they have to act like the latter and parents that believe they should NEED to keep their children off the airplane in respect of others.
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/24/2008 11:39:42 AM
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good point. There is a difference in a frightened child who can probably be calmed down or distracted with a toy, and a brat who is out of control, and the parents think it is cute, nor not a problem. I would rather have snakes on the plane than the latter.
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/24/2008 12:10:11 PM
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There's another category, though. Many children are developmentally delayed and although they are the size of a three or four year old they don't have the capacity to control their behavior like one.
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/24/2008 12:47:05 PM
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I don't think many children are developmentally delayed. Some are developmentally delayed...and that's when it's up to the parent to weigh whether their child is capable of handling a flight. It's up to a parent to determine whether their child is capable of flying under any circumstances.
I once flew with a woman whose 2-year-old screamed like a banshee from the time we took off until the time we landed two hours later. The man across the aisle from her was trying to distract the child, but nothing worked. The mom finally said, about 20 minutes before landing, that the little girl had an ear infection. At that point, everyone in the vicinity came down on the mom. A woman behind her said for her information, flying with an ear infection is extremely painful and often prevents an eardrum from adjusting to air pressure. The mom claimed to know this, but said it wasn't anyone's business why she put her kid on a plane. I know she felt attacked, but it was appropriate under the circumstances if you ask me. There's an example of a poor parenting decision and an entire planeload of adults taking the side of a screaming child.
Then there are parents who claim a developmental delay as an excuse for inconsistent parenting. I don't know how many of those people are flying with ill-behaved children.
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/24/2008 12:57:44 PM
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This is for people who say that people shouldn't be flying with young children who are too young to handle it. My brother's former father-in-law recently passed away, and he and my niece flew to his funeral. It was the first time either of them had flown. Now, my niece is 14 years old. But what if she had been 3? My brother had no experience with airplanes himself so there was no way he could know enough of what was coming to have prepared her. If people shouldn't fly with young children who don't know what to expect or how to behave, then should my neice, had she been younger, have not been allowed to attend her grandfather's funeral? Does my question make sense?
My point is that sometimes, or even most of the time, people with young children on planes aren't there because they selfishly want to fly and take their kids with them without caring about what they are ready for. They are there because they have someplace they need to go.
A 3yr old attending a funeral? I, personally, don't think that's sufficiently necessary to load my 3 yr old on a plane. IMO a 3 yr old is not ready for a plane ride or a funeral. But that's not my call to make for others.
And I disagree that most plane trips with children are necessary. I think if the necessity were a primary contributing factor, there would be a marked decrease in the number of young children and infants on planes.
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/24/2008 1:01:09 PM
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My sister and her husband are living over in Japan, where they recently had a baby. Just a few days after she was born, sister and hubby were out and about like normal. My sister reported that Japanese women would look at her, horrified. In their culture, they stay home for the first month after they have a baby. I didn't want to get in trouble with my sister, but I think the Japanese are on to something.
Well, actually a newborn is often much better behaved then an older baby. Depending on the newborn they often just sleep a lot. The "staying home for one month" is more out of fear of infection.
And staying inside all the time is a really good way of getting Post Pardum Depression. Getting out and about as soon as physically possible is very healthy for the mother and the baby.
Now, I'm not suggesting you take a screaming infant to a high class restaurant or a late nigh movie, but your sister, in general, had it right, and the Japanese had it wrong. There's no reason at all to stay home for an entire month, except misplaced fear and tradition.
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/24/2008 1:03:56 PM
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And I disagree that most plane trips with children are necessary. I think if the necessity were a primary contributing factor, there would be a marked decrease in the number of young children and infants on planes.
My grandparents are to ill to travel to see me, and the drive is to far for anyone to reasonably take. So, me flying to them was the only way they were going to see their great-grandson. Families are far apart these days, and that's no reason to deprive the elderly of the chance to see their descendants. There are plenty of other legitimate reasons I can think of.
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/24/2008 1:47:10 PM
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Disclaimer...I don't fly and have no plans to fly, therefore my children also don't fly and have no plans to fly.
But...if I were to fly with my kids, I would treat the experience much like a long car ride. They would have to remain buckled, just as they would in the car, unless they needed to use the bathroom. I would also have them each pack a small backpack with their own special things and snacks (would this be allowed? I'm not sure, since I have no experience), just like we would in the car. I don't get the concept of kids being allowed to roam the airplane. Is this what normally happens?
And for the record, even though we don't fly, I am absolutely positive my kids would not be rambunctious brats if we did fly. I would not want to be sequestered to a children's section if it meant being with other children who behaved like monsters because they could. 
As for kids needing to fly to attend a funeral...maybe they wouldn't be attending the funeral but mom and dad are not comfortable leaving them at home while they are so far away, and mom and dad really need to be at the funeral? Just a thought...I could see us finding a babysitter for our 3 year old for a far away funeral, but I cannot see us leaving her here while we flew to, say...Mississippi.
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/24/2008 2:29:53 PM
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Many here don't like the idea of "drugging" children for plane rides. I think it's okay, but depending on what it is that you give them.
Well let's see, folks do not want to deal with the kids, they do not want to drug then, it is too expensive to isolate them; that only leave the duct tape option as far as I can tell.
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The first people many times who don't want to deal with the kids are the kid's parents, and since they don't wish to deal with them, many times they take issue with anyone dealing with their kids... Stores where they steal from, at schools where they bully and disrupt class, on the street where they roam and act out.. The owner of the store is bad because he called the police... The school is wrong because little Tommy wasn't really beating up the skinny kid he was trying to help him toughen up... And the old man down the street with the nice yard just has to deal with kids riding their bike across the lawn and acting as if his yard is their personal play ground...
The problem is more times than not the parents of the children... The children are emulating their parents..
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/24/2008 2:35:24 PM
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They would have to remain buckled, just as they would in the car, unless they needed to use the bathroom. I would also have them each pack a small backpack with their own special things and snacks (would this be allowed? I'm not sure, since I have no experience), just like we would in the car. I don't get the concept of kids being allowed to roam the airplane. Is this what normally happens?
THat is what my parents did with us. I can't imagine letting a toddler roam in an airplaine. We have not flown yet with our children, but we will eventually, on a looooong international flight.
I'm remembering that as I train my kids. No kicking the backs of car seats, even if no one is in them. When mom says "Sit down and say sitting", that's what she means. And I'm teaching them to enjoy sitting quietly and reading or coloring.
I wonder if some of the problems are due to children being constantly on the go and needing something new to do every 15 minutes?
Yup... You nailed it... Kids now are catered to the point of absurdness... No longer can a child just enjoy playing some sport, there has to be snacks and everyone gets a trophy... Can't remain calm when out to dinner, since at home they come and go from the dinner table as they please so why should they bother to remain seated at the restaurant? It's just an extension of the home and everybody should act like an uncle who thinks it cute that a 10 year old is roaming the place bothering people why thy try to enjoy a meal...
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/24/2008 2:39:07 PM
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As for kids needing to fly to attend a funeral...maybe they wouldn't be attending the funeral but mom and dad are not comfortable leaving them at home while they are so far away, and mom and dad really need to be at the funeral? Just a thought...I could see us finding a babysitter for our 3 year old for a far away funeral, but I cannot see us leaving her here while we flew to, say...Mississippi.[/color]
You know, I can definitely see that. I really can. And it is NOT legitimate/necessary reasons that I'm talking about. And I really don't want to get into legitimate vs. non-legitimate reasons. I'm suggesting that many times the reason children are on planes is because their parents refuse to give up something that they want to do for a few years until their children are older and better able to do and enjoy those activities.
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/24/2008 5:07:09 PM
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There's another category, though. Many children are developmentally delayed and although they are the size of a three or four year old they don't have the capacity to control their behavior like one.
There are adults that are developmentally delayed, too. Some of them can even be loud. I wonder if they would put them in with the children?
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/24/2008 5:34:29 PM
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adults behaving in such a manner are removed from the plane
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/24/2008 8:21:27 PM
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If someone is causing serious issues, I don't think it interferes with removal.
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