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RE: The Movies Produced by Sherwood Bapt. - 8/28/2008 3:21:21 PM
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dianetavegia
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So, if it was a 'to die for' audio/ video feast, financed by secular group that insisted on a 'Touched by an Angel' type message, would that be better?
I agree that Christians need to support these efforts, without picking them to death, in hopes that more efforts will be made to create good, clean films.
No mention of the name of Jesus will return void. Even on AM radio or a not so perfect film.
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RE: The Movies Produced by Sherwood Bapt. - 8/28/2008 4:46:23 PM
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"Touched By An Angel" seems to be getting quite a bit of flack on this thread, as if it is somehow inferior to the Sherwood movies.
I would disagree. While I will admit that "Touched" wasn't exactly big on the "J" word, it did present a very bold message of God's love and forgiveness and grace.
And unlike a film like FTG or FLYWHEEL, it did not ALWAYS provide nice, neat little endings to the various dramas presented. Characters did die, suffered abuse, lost everything they had....much like real life where that happens to even the best Christians.
I would consider "Touched By An Angel" or it's spinoff "Promised Land" as evangelical tools WAY before any of the Sherwood offerings.
Diane, you seem like a very nice lady, and I'm sure your heart is more than in the right place when it comes to your support for these movies, but I in good conscience could never recommend them simply because of the pie-in-the-sky theology they preach.
(As I said earlier, I know the Kendrick Brothers personally and I hope they don't read this and figure out who I am; as I'm sure they'd be hurt by my comments, but sometimes, honest criticism is a good thing...it makes us strive to do better....)
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RE: The Movies Produced by Sherwood Bapt. - 8/28/2008 5:58:18 PM
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You can make the case that "Touched" is misleading, namely because it avoids the word Jesus. But a film with a message that says "I-know-your-life-is-a-wreck-but-just-accept-Jesus-and-everything-will-be-hunky-dory-fine" is also very misleading, perhaps even more so.
Touched By An Angel presented God in the most user friendly manner possible (and allowed by network TV)...but it was still quite bold in it's message (and sorry, but I must have missed the "angel worship" part). I have heard numerous stories of people who were drawn to God through that show, and wanted to find out more. It was then possible to share the gospel with them.
True, you could do the same with a film like FACING THE GIANTS, although I would want to put an infomercial-style disclaimer on it that says "These stories are unique...your results may vary. In fact, I can guarantee that they will".
(I fully realize what I'm setting myself up for by daring to criticize these films on this particular forum, but, hey, somebody's gotta say it!) 
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RE: The Movies Produced by Sherwood Bapt. - 8/28/2008 10:04:15 PM
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So, if it was a 'to die for' audio/ video feast, financed by secular group that insisted on a 'Touched by an Angel' type message, would that be better?
Whiz-bang effects aren't needed to make a good movie. Sure, when done well they can create good box office receipts, but they don't win Oscars. There are plenty of low-budget independent films that tell good, compelling stories w/o any sorts of special effects. What Christian media needs are true artists.
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RE: The Movies Produced by Sherwood Bapt. - 8/29/2008 8:31:37 AM
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uncabeeil
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But where I think you are wrong is not supporting christian movies because they are low budget, this is the ONLY way we will get better films. So you think we should pay to see awful movies so that maybe we'll have something better down the road? No thanks, I'm a poor working stiff. I can't afford to throw my money away on garbage in the hope that future products will be better. A better idea would be for these film makers to work on getting better financing up front so that they have a product worth spending money on.
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RE: The Movies Produced by Sherwood Bapt. - 8/29/2008 9:53:41 AM
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But where I think you are wrong is not supporting christian movies because they are low budget, this is the ONLY way we will get better films. So you think we should pay to see awful movies so that maybe we'll have something better down the road? No thanks, I'm a poor working stiff. I can't afford to throw my money away on garbage in the hope that future products will be better. A better idea would be for these film makers to work on getting better financing up front so that they have a product worth spending money on.
If they were awful films, then no I would not go. I'm not saying you should! But That is not the case, these are "good films". There have been many new Christian movies that have come out to theaters in the last couple years and I can not think of one "awful" Christian Movie. Maybe there were some, none come to mind right now? I have seen some "awful" Christian movies new to DVD and no I would not support those.
But what is at issue here is "Good Christian Movies" are not being supported! ANYONE who does not support "Good Christian Movies" has no right to complain "Movies are not good enough" because they choose not to help them get better. The same goes with those who choose not to vote, they should not complain about what is then done by the winner!
You say, I am voting, by not going to Christian Movies and telling everyone how bad they are. Yes, your right, but your vote is against "Good Christian Movies", you think by voting against these movies that "Great" ones will just come in from nowhere? It does not work that way. Well not for the most part.
We must support "Good Christian Film Companies" and they grow to become "Great Christian Film Companies" but kick the chair out from under them and you get nothing.
I am asking for you to support them, you will see Christian Movies get better and better. I'm not saying you have to agree with every little thing in the movies, just sit back and enjoy the film with the rest of us. If you are not trying to find fault with it you might just like it?
I have seen many "not very good" to "ok" small Christian films Companies go on to make much better films because they were supported by their Church and others.
All I'm asking is for "you" (all who do not) to support "Good Christian Movies" They are making a difference for Christ and will get better with Money/Time and More people getting interested in Making Christian Films"
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RE: The Movies Produced by Sherwood Bapt. - 8/29/2008 10:07:33 AM
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uncabeeil
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And if they ever come out with a "good" (by my standards) Christian film I'll pay to see it. But I'm not forking over $12 to watch a b-grade movie so that the same filmmaker just might, maybe, some day in the dim and distant future make a watchable film. Give me quality on the level of a film like The Passion of the Christ and I'd think about it. But Kirk Cameron is never going to be worth the money and apparently he's the best that's available.
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RE: The Movies Produced by Sherwood Bapt. - 8/29/2008 10:14:28 AM
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I feel sorry for our LifeWay employees at the store near my home, because they have FLYWHEEL on the big screen TV every time I go in. That's where I've seen most of the movie! If I were subjected to repeating viewings of that throughout my workday, I'd probably end up taking a hostage.
I have no doubt that the Sherwood movies will find their audience, but as for reaching outside the church walls, I don't think you'll find many non-Christians that will give them the time of day.
THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST demonstrated that it is indeed possible to make a GOOD "Christian" movie, and one with wide enough appeal that for a while it was among the top ten moneymaking films of all time. That's the standard christian filmmakers should aspire to, not shot-on-video backyard productions with friends and family playing all the roles....
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RE: The Movies Produced by Sherwood Bapt. - 8/29/2008 1:42:54 PM
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SallyGee
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ORIGINAL: tafkam
You can make the case that "Touched" is misleading, namely because it avoids the word Jesus. But a film with a message that says "I-know-your-life-is-a-wreck-but-just-accept-Jesus-and-everything-will-be-hunky-dory-fine" is also very misleading, perhaps even more so.
You are missing the "eternal message" in these movies, once you surrender your life and accept Jesus as your savior it is the beginning for " A new life in Him", on earth it won't be hunky-dory-fine- but in heaven it sure will be. These movies are showing how you surrender your life to God, and when you do that you trust God and leave all the consequences to Him.
These movies are planting a seed, it is what the great commission is all about........
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RE: The Movies Produced by Sherwood Bapt. - 8/29/2008 1:55:12 PM
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tafkam
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These movies are showing how you surrender your life to God, and when you do that you trust God and leave all the consequences to Him.
That would have been fine if they had shown us a SINGLE instance in FTG where one of the many dramas didn't work out right. Say the coach still lost his job, or they were still unable to conceive...but, noooo, it's gotta have a nice Brady Bunch style ending, which just isn't realistic much of the time.
I think showing such an occurence, and acknowledging that Christians aren't immune to heartache, and maybe showing us how they learn to cope as Christians with a bad situation, would have rendered the movie far more effective.
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These movies are planting a seed, it is what the great commission is all about........
Planting a seed with who? Look on Internet Movie Database and see what some of the user reviews state. Christians love it...non-Christians, the one's we're supposed to be planting the seed with, they hate it. They just can't get past the amateurish quality of the production.
Of course this isn't limited to Sherwood Pictures....virtually all Christian movies or TV shows have the same fault.
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RE: The Movies Produced by Sherwood Bapt. - 8/29/2008 3:21:06 PM
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These movies are showing how you surrender your life to God, and when you do that you trust God and leave all the consequences to Him.
That would have been fine if they had shown us a SINGLE instance in FTG where one of the many dramas didn't work out right. Say the coach still lost his job, or they were still unable to conceive...but, noooo, it's gotta have a nice Brady Bunch style ending, which just isn't realistic much of the time.
Oh, you just gotta remember the scene where he asked her "If God doesn't give us a child will you
still love Him?" And she answered YES! On my goodness......that touched me like nothing else. The movie did show that that could have been the possibility. It just reminded me of that:
His ways are not our ways. If we love Him no matter what things will work out even if we don't understand.
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These movies are planting a seed, it is what the great commission is all about........
Planting a seed with who? Look on Internet Movie Database and see what some of the user reviews state. Christians love it...non-Christians, the one's we're supposed to be planting the seed with, they hate it. They just can't get past the amateurish quality of the production.
Maybe that seed is intended for Christians then. We need each other for encouragement. Just showing each other how we can live for Christ in our everyday life is so exciting. The janitor in FTG's that every day went along each locker and prayed for each child.....WOW! Just little scenes like that made a big impact on me.
Non-Christians are going to hate anything to do with God if they have already rejected Him, of course they will put down and criticise any movie that might have moved them, so I don't take much stock in what Non-christians may be saying on the Internet Movie Database.....lol
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RE: The Movies Produced by Sherwood Bapt. - 8/29/2008 6:24:37 PM
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tafkam
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Sally,
Not to nitpick, but you're the one who said these movies were planting a seed. I was responding to your comment in Post #36.
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RE: The Movies Produced by Sherwood Bapt. - 9/2/2008 10:45:27 AM
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tafkam
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SallyGee,
I am a Christian, but I can assure you that FTG left me cold. Why? Because in my own life, I have had far more disappointments than successes. There have been many more things I have diligently prayed over that did NOT turn out the way I hoped, and to be honest, many times I find life to be extremely difficult and frustrating to face.
But I also have to remember that God is in control, that He will never leave me, and as bad as things get, He wil not allow me to suffer beyond what I can bear. Does it mean I enjoy where I'm at? No, but I am learning to be content.
That said, can you understand why I would get nothing out of the "accept-Christ-and-poof!-all-is-well" message that is offered in a movie like FACING THE GIANTS?
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RE: The Movies Produced by Sherwood Bapt. - 9/2/2008 11:39:56 AM
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THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST demonstrated that it is indeed possible to make a GOOD "Christian" movie, and one with wide enough appeal that for a while it was among the top ten moneymaking films of all time. That's the standard christian filmmakers should aspire to, not shot-on-video backyard productions with friends and family playing all the roles....
Some one stated "whiz bang" special effects....and now "quality" of movies....
one of my all time fav movies is "A River Runs Through It".....sure, it's not a "get hit over the head with scripture/bible" movie like "Facing the Giants", but I STILL consider it a "Christian movie"!.....it was simply telling the story of the life of a small town minister and his sons....and, life choices....the family had "ups and downs" like all of us do.
talk about a film that was beautifully made....and of the highest quality!
Or, in order for a movie to be considered "Christian", there has to be something of a "Billy Graham crusade" message to it?
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RE: The Movies Produced by Sherwood Bapt. - 9/2/2008 2:05:25 PM
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SallyGee
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SallyGee,
I am a Christian, but I can assure you that FTG left me cold. Why? Because in my own life, I have had far more disappointments than successes. There have been many more things I have diligently prayed over that did NOT turn out the way I hoped, and to be honest, many times I find life to be extremely difficult and frustrating to face.
But I also have to remember that God is in control, that He will never leave me, and as bad as things get, He wil not allow me to suffer beyond what I can bear. Does it mean I enjoy where I'm at? No, but I am learning to be content.
That said, can you understand why I would get nothing out of the "accept-Christ-and-poof!-all-is-well" message that is offered in a movie like FACING THE GIANTS?
Tafkam, Life is hard, but can you imagine how much harder it would be if you weren't a Christian? You do
have the promise of eternal life and this "life here on earth isn't all there is". There is so much more.
I know that I had to get to that brokeness place in my life before I could totally surrender to Him. When I did that no longer what "I"wanted have a place in my life. It was focused on what He wanted me to do with the life He had given me. I started letting Him live through me. It took me 10 years in the wilderness, and what my hubby and I jokenly refer to as going along and "rearranging the rocks" while we were there. Meaning what we were doing had no eternal value, because we weren't living for Him. It was total misery, He finally got our attention and we almost lost everything we had....literally. You better believe we fell on our knees and cried out to Him. He heard us. So I have experienced what God can do and get excited when I see it in action.. even if it is just a low budget, bad acting movie......lol I see the real message of Hope in Him, Jesus!
Amazing what surrender means to a Christian, it is actually freedom in Christ.
I don't know your circumstance or why you have had more disappointments than successes, but God does and He will use them for His Glory. That is why we are here... for His glory and when we live with that perspective on life we then see what He defines as success!
Maybe you are in the wilderness, I don't know, But I do believe that God favors His children and He will make it "well with your soul".
2 Chronicles 16:9 (King James Version)
9For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to shew himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him.
Sally
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