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Fledgling -> 23 minutes in Hell by Bill Wiese (8/13/2008 12:31:18 AM)

Does anyone have any comments about it.. I am reading it right now and find it very interesting..



MrsTracy72 -> RE: 23 minutes in Hell by Bill Wiese (8/14/2008 12:44:53 AM)

I try to stay away from those types of books. There was also one that was the same thing but in heaven. I don't know why, but I think that I would rather just wait and see what God has in store for me.



Child4Jesus -> RE: 23 minutes in Hell by Bill Wiese (8/14/2008 10:34:22 AM)

Also what seems to happen with these books is Hell is pictured more like Dante's Inferno, or the underworld of Roman mythology ruled by the Roman myth god Hades. The hell of the Bible and the hell of these books look nothing alike.



uncabeeil -> RE: 23 minutes in Hell by Bill Wiese (8/14/2008 10:36:08 AM)

I'd take anything written in a book like that with a ton of salt. I just find it hard to believe God takes people on guided tours of heaven or hell and then tells them to write a book. Mary Kay Baxter has a whole series like that. Apparently once a year God took her on tour and told her to write a book. Funny that her contract with her publisher also required a book a year. Coincidence? [8|] Maybe I'm just being cynical.



Child4Jesus -> RE: 23 minutes in Hell by Bill Wiese (8/14/2008 10:44:42 AM)

Another thing that has to be said about these types of books is that it encourages people to want heaven not because they want a relationship with God, want to repent etc., but they want to avoid hell and want heaven because of fear and selfishness.



Fledgling -> RE: 23 minutes in Hell by Bill Wiese (8/15/2008 11:49:03 AM)

I think anything that brings people to God is good. If a person is motivated to come to God because of fear of hell, I think that is part of the plan.. Many people who see the end of times Prophecies coming true will come to God in the last days... motivated by fear.

Just because you are motivated to come to God because of fear, doesnt mean that you cant stay with God because of Love.

Bill Weise says that God took him to hell because he wanted people to know that Hell is a real place, and he does not want any of his children to go there.



JimboFletch -> RE: 23 minutes in Hell by Bill Wiese (8/15/2008 11:58:05 AM)

Jesus told us that hell is a real place and that He came so that we can be redeemed from that place which we deserve and make us joint-heirs with Him.

Why did you think that Jesus failed in bringing us that message so that 2,000 years later Mr. Bill Weise is needed to improve on Jesus' message? Sounds a lot like Rev. Moon's claim of other failures by Jesus...



Child4Jesus -> RE: 23 minutes in Hell by Bill Wiese (8/16/2008 12:49:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Fledgling
I think anything that brings people to God is good. If a person is motivated to come to God because of fear of hell, I think that is part of the plan.. Many people who see the end of times Prophecies coming true will come to God in the last days... motivated by fear.

Just because you are motivated to come to God because of fear, doesn't mean that you can't stay with God because of Love.

Bill Weise says that God took him to hell because he wanted people to know that Hell is a real place, and he does not want any of his children to go there.


A person should be motivated to come to God because He is God. If you look through the Gospels, Acts, the Epistles, heaven or hell was never used as a reason someone should be in relationship with God.



AlphaCentauri -> RE: 23 minutes in Hell by Bill Wiese (8/17/2008 7:38:45 PM)

I havn't read the book as such but I heard him speaking about it via a download. My thoughts are that it isn't a bad thing to think about the future regarding Heaven and hell.

The bible does say "A wise person thinks about death". And to have a healthy fear of the Lord. thinking about hell is part of that but not all. ie: we should not focus soley on hell.

Hell is real and if it is only 10% as bad as bill says, it is still bad enough. The bible give many references to hell as a place of torment etc...

Just my thoughts anyway[:D]



lightshineon -> RE: 23 minutes in Hell by Bill Wiese (8/17/2008 11:35:54 PM)

I had a post about this book, and the heaven book awhile back. I am such a sceptical person, but I tell you I believed both with all my heart. The book about Hell made me think, not wanting anyone to go there. If it is real or not, which I believe it is, it really changed the way I saw the lost.



Child4Jesus -> RE: 23 minutes in Hell by Bill Wiese (8/18/2008 1:49:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lightshineon
I had a post about this book, and the heaven book awhile back. I am such a skeptical person, but I tell you I believed both with all my heart. The book about Hell made me think, not wanting anyone to go there. If it is real or not, which I believe it is, it really changed the way I saw the lost.


Believe what? That heaven and hell exist or believe the description these people say they have experienced?

People have this idea that Satan/demons are ruling in hell and torchering people. Where this idea comes from I don't know. Scripture doesn't paint such a picture.



solomonsprayer -> RE: 23 minutes in Hell by Bill Wiese (8/31/2008 7:59:52 AM)

With respect, I believe Bill Wiese's account is erroneous and possibly purposely falsified at worst (to make money and fame off of sensationalized literature). Not only are his descriptions of Hell not in accord with the most prominent Christian scholars and theologians throughout history and of our time (and what the Bible itself says and doesn't say), but just the experience of him going to Hell and writing about it seems ridiculous.

If we look at what the Bible says, God's Word is already complete and nothing should be added or taken away from it. Why would God need someone like Bill Wiese to go to Hell to tell other's about it, when it is already written about in the Bible? If God wanted us to know more about Hell, He'd have told us in Scripture. That's not to say there aren't good books that describe Hell and are in accord with what the Bible already says, but the actual experience Wiese is talking about here is ridiculous!. Him actually being sent to Hell to tour it and be sent back to warn us is simply unbelievable and the experience itself is not really in accord with what the Bible says about those possibilites.

If you read the story of Lazarus and "The Rich Man" in the Bible, this is an exact parallel almost....The Rich Man goes to Hell and Lazarus to Heaven and The Rich Man asks to return to earth so he can warn his relatives to accept Christ and not end up there. He is denied that opportunity. But the point of the story was that it was useless for The Rich Man to do so, becuase even if he returned from Hell himself, he was told that they would not believe. In the same way, I think people in today's would not believe just because someone said they went to Heaven or Hell and came back, not to mention it would make most people suspicious of such experiences.

In my humble opinion, Bill Wiese is potentially a false prophet, due to his erroneous unBiblical descriptions of Hell (like physical torture from demonic monsters who rip your head off and crush you all the way to literal burning flames - something out of a B-horror movie) and the whole ridiculousness of his experience itself. In The Great Divorce (which is on Heaven and Hell) by C.S. Lewis, he actually talks about a person who ends up in Hell for writing these kinds of false and apostate religion - though on different subjects. (It's a great book I'm reading actually..though with a slightly different focus than most books about Heaven and Hell). I'm not saying Wiese is going to Hell, but just that he could very well be a deceived false prophet type of guy. The chracter C.S. Lewis describes in TGD is one who wrote all these false teachings of religion knowingly due to greed and desire for fame and fortune from the "new age" type of popular religion and thinking of the time. ....Is it possible this Wiese guy is somehow wanting to make money off of this or is self or demonically deceived? ....

You should also check out what other top, respected Christian leaders think of his work for a good comprehensive opinion. [:)]



redeemedsaint -> RE: 23 minutes in Hell by Bill Wiese (9/1/2008 4:28:51 PM)

He has a new book out called Hell and I got my copy today. I read his previous book and despite whether it is true or not, hell is a real place that is no longer talked about. We need to take it seriously.



JimboFletch -> RE: 23 minutes in Hell by Bill Wiese (9/2/2008 2:41:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: redeemedsaint

He has a new book out called Hell and I got my copy today. I read his previous book and despite whether it is true or not, hell is a real place that is no longer talked about. We need to take it seriously.

That's one reason I don't care for a made up version that someone sells to gullible people who aren't happy with the what God revealed in the Bible.



spiritualliberty -> RE: 23 minutes in Hell by Bill Wiese (12/22/2008 8:26:38 AM)

Bill Wiese is a liar. He quotes numerous scriptures throughout his book, most of which are completely irrelevant to what he is talking about. He continually grabs short phrases and sentences out the Bible and quotes them without showing you the context of the phrase, which makes it easy for him to read his own assumptions into it (yes, I actually looked up every single scripture he cites). The majority of Christians in modern America do not diligently read their Bibles anymore, which makes them easy prey for this kind of con job. But his bizarre fantastic story outrightly contradicts the Bible many times. Luke 16:27-31 (the Lord's parable of the rich man and Lazarus) says, "Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." Our Lord Himself is very clear that if men reject the Gospel, and they refuse to listen to those who proclaim the Word of God, they will never be persuaded, even if someone came back from the dead to witness to them—something even more miraculous than Wiese’s alleged experience. Wiese himself specifically says, "One thing I was sure of: if what I had experienced was true, then I should be able to find proof of it in the Bible"; and, "I discovered that there are approximately 150 verses that reveal some aspect of hell, together confirming everything I had experienced." However, he does not even attempt to back up many of his claims from Scripture, such as deformed reptilian demons and big rats and spiders in hell. He cites many scriptures about demons attacking people on earth, but he never provides a shred of proof that demons can torment people in hell. And Wiese himself states that if he can't prove it from the Bible, then it is not true. Please see my review of "23 Minutes in Hell" at www.geocities.com/spiritualliberty/23MinutesInHellReview.html.



chrisb743 -> RE: 23 minutes in Hell by Bill Wiese (12/26/2008 3:49:47 PM)

So Child4Jesus.. Are you saying you believe that hell is just some kind of resort for the "bad" people.. No weeping and gnashing of teeth, no torment?
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ORIGINAL: Child4Jesus

quote:

ORIGINAL: lightshineon
I had a post about this book, and the heaven book awhile back. I am such a skeptical person, but I tell you I believed both with all my heart. The book about Hell made me think, not wanting anyone to go there. If it is real or not, which I believe it is, it really changed the way I saw the lost.


Believe what? That heaven and hell exist or believe the description these people say they have experienced?

People have this idea that Satan/demons are ruling in hell and torchering people. Where this idea comes from I don't know. Scripture doesn't paint such a picture.



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