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RE: Angry with God - 8/11/2008 10:30:15 PM
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TorchHeart
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ORIGINAL: Dancre
Did you ever think that maybe God is waiting on those dreams until YOU are ready to walk in them? I've waited 10 years to be a prof writer and just when I thought I had made it, He told me to cool my jets. Then 3 months later, I went to a writers convention at Karitos in Chicago where I met Patricia Hickman. She taught on writing and I now realize I have more work to do. My dream is still alive and kicking, it's just not done yet.
I was going to answer this differently, but I actually sat and thought about it for a little while. I can say that I'm afraid that there is one dream of mine that's getting crushed and will probably fall shy (barring "divine intervention" for lack of a better term), but I can think of several that aren't dead yet for me. I'm actually glad you made me think of this.
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Why must they pay for it? Jesus never demanded payment when people lied about Him, then tortured Him to death. You need to forgive those who hurt you, not feel that God doesn't care. He WON'T destroy them b/c that's your wish. Instead, He's waiting for you to forgive and let Him deal with them. And He'll help you to forgive, it you let Him.
This is where I admit that I have a huge problem. I have tried to forgive some of these people for years (honestly, I've tried to forgive an entire church for years, among others). Every time I think I've got things under control, something will bring back all the anger and I go right back to hating them with a passion. I've asked God for help. So what exactly am I doing wrong?
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stress that I've been put under,
Stress comes from a lack of trust in Him. Now the balls in your court, not His. Trust Him completely and He'll see you through any situation, not matter how bad it is.
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I understand this.
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areas where I've been treated unfairly or seen friends/family hurt by others where I couldn't do anything...
Again, trust in Him and He'll work it out.
This is a little harder. There are people who I'll literally do anything for. I understand trusting in God, but I feel as though I'm supposed to do something for them, too.
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RE: Angry with God - 8/12/2008 12:47:35 AM
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Hey Torchheart... I've been debating whether or not to post all day today, and after reading a lot of the other posts, I came to the conclusion that I should. To cut a long story short, your situation sounds VERY familiar. Starting about 8 years ago, I went through an extended period of feeling much the same way you seem to, and for similar reasons. With the help of a friend, I made it through it, only to have to help her get through a similar experience a few years later.
If you're interested in whatever help I might be able to give you as someone who's gone through what you are going through now, feel free to PM me.
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RE: Angry with God - 8/12/2008 1:16:55 AM
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It has taken me almost twenty years to heal from what people has done to me. I am now able to look to my future with hope. The hope that God gives and the promise of a better life. I never blamed God for the things that were done to me or the horrible ways that I felt. I blamed those people who hurt me which lead to me tumbling into a life of despair. I hated the evil that had to be in those people to do what they did.
I put everything that happened, every emotion I felt, I put them in Gods hands. I was not good to myself, to me I had no future.
The day I let God have everything, was the day I started to live life. He showed and is showing me the steps of forgivness and letting go of the past. He showed me that I have a future.
Please dont be angry with God. If yours plans arent working out, maybe their not Gods plans for your life. He will put you on the right track with life. It may not happen tomorrow but be patient and it will.
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RE: Angry with God - 8/12/2008 2:25:40 AM
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This is where I admit that I have a huge problem. I have tried to forgive some of these people for years (honestly, I've tried to forgive an entire church for years, among others). Every time I think I've got things under control, something will bring back all the anger and I go right back to hating them with a passion. I've asked God for help. So what exactly am I doing wrong?
Ah, now we're getting somewhere ...
I too have been in such situations. Sometimes, the people that I have worked with have seemed to actually enjoy trying to frustrate my work or have worked to try to keep me from advancing in my career, or attack me publicly. I too admit that at times my patience with these types of people runs thin after a while, and in spite of hours of prayer asking for reprieve and praying for them and asking for a forgiving spirit, the very next day the person will do something that gets me all twisted up again.
I haven't been in that kind of circumstance in a little over a year now so I don't know if how I am able to deal with things today is better than in the past (oh, say, decade or more), but I do know that having the opportunity to move out of the circumstances and away from the nasty people was of great benefit to my healing over their behavior in each case over the years (due to my job, I move frequently). But I fear that if I am ever in a situation like that again (and I have been in way too many of them), that I might eventually get my rubber-bands all twisted up again.
But this is what I do know, and this has been shared in many of the previous posts:
- Praising God whether you feel like it or not in these situations at least shows God that you are trying your best to walk in the Spirit instead of the flesh and seek Him in the circumstances and that you are trying to submit yourself to His will in the midst of your pain.
- Praying FOR the people who are causing you pain and being nice to them is part of the prescription for healing (Ro 12:10-21).
- Focusing on serving others who are in greater need than you is often a helpful way to walk in the Spirit than in the flesh as well.
- You may need to find a way to remove yourself from the situation causing you pain - because sometimes, it just isn't a healthy environment no matter how much you attempt to persevere.
What would be great, TorchHeart, is to hear you say you've been putting some of this into practice. 
May God bless you in your journey of healing.
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RE: Angry with God - 8/12/2008 4:59:46 AM
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I just happened to be reading this AM the passage Colossians 3:1-17. The whole passage is a unit, but leads up to how we are to behave in the church.
But I do understand; we think we have forgiven, then somehow the wound is re-opened and we have to start all over.
Sometimes we have to leave a church and simply start again in another one.
A bunch of people left our church because they don't like the new pastor. Maybe that's what they had to do. We certainly can't function with this issue kept alive and pulling us apart.
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RE: Angry with God - 8/12/2008 6:46:26 AM
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TorchHeart, let me quote what you said: "This is where I admit that I have a huge problem. I have tried to forgive some of these people for years (honestly, I've tried to forgive an entire church for years, among others). Every time I think I've got things under control, something will bring back all the anger and I go right back to hating them with a passion. I've asked God for help. So what exactly am I doing wrong?"
Read it again. Can you feel the hatred? "... and I go right back to hating them with a passion." You'd certainly win an Olympic gold if hating was a sport !!!
OK - now let me address you with the same degree of passion. Maybe that will help.
The only condition Jesus put when He asked us to pray relates to forgiveness. He said: "Forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sinned against us".
Now then, when we all get to meet God, He will ask you: "How did you forgive?"
And you'll answer: "I hated them with passion. Now forgive me please!"
I think you get the message. We've all been hurt at one time or another. Some more than others. If I documented the hurt done to me I'd end up writing a book. What's more, the reminders are there for me, day in day out. No chance of forgetting there. It's the first thing I see every morning and the last thing I have facing me every night.
BUT YOU HAVE TO LET GO !!!
It's the only way you'll find peace in your heart. By going over and over again in your mind, by re-hating every time you remember, you'll achieve nothing - apart of course from the possibility of making yourself ill. Yes - pent-up hate and anger can make you ill. And do you think those who hurt you will care or feel sorry for you? They probably don't even know that you're still hurting. They probably forgot all about it.
So let me shout again: YOU HAVE TO LET GO.
Don't do it for me. Don't do it for yourself even. Do it for Jesus; who forgives you every time He sees the scars in His hands, feet and side.
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RE: Angry with God - 8/12/2008 9:26:18 AM
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TorchHeart
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I just happened to be reading this AM the passage Colossians 3:1-17. The whole passage is a unit, but leads up to how we are to behave in the church.
But I do understand; we think we have forgiven, then somehow the wound is re-opened and we have to start all over.
Sometimes we have to leave a church and simply start again in another one.
A bunch of people left our church because they don't like the new pastor. Maybe that's what they had to do. We certainly can't function with this issue kept alive and pulling us apart.
Thanks for trying on this one. I respect your post, but this isn't quite the problem. Thank you, though.
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RE: Angry with God - 8/12/2008 10:52:53 AM
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I don't see an always loving God that people on this board like to talk about.
1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
There are so many things that go on in this world that we don't and can't understand. Pain and hurt that we may go through or see others go through. The above verse tells us that we can't understand everything right now. We just have to have faith. God is a loving God, no matter what we may go through. God is love. Would you give the life of your child to save someone else? I wouldn't! We're not even capable of having such great love.
The very next verse says:
13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
Charity. Love.
His word also says that all things work for the good to those that love Him.
I'm so sorry for all the pain you are feeling. Let me also say that we can choose to keep our eyes on our pain and who wronged us, and we will stay sad, mad, hurt, depressed. Or we can choose to give it to God. Tell Him we hurt and ask for healing. Tell Him that we can't forgive, and ask Him to help us forgive. It may take time but He will help. Then every time the bad thoughts and anger come to mind, reminder right away that you forgave them and ask the Lord to help You forgive them again. Don't keep thinking about it but turn your thoughs to the Lord and Him hellping you to forgive. You may have to do that over and over and over, every time the thoughts come back.
Theophile2 gave you some great suggestions to help:
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- Praising God whether you feel like it or not in these situations at least shows God that you are trying your best to walk in the Spirit instead of the flesh and seek Him in the circumstances and that you are trying to submit yourself to His will in the midst of your pain.
- Praying FOR the people who are causing you pain and being nice to them is part of the prescription for healing (Ro 12:10-21).
- Focusing on serving others who are in greater need than you is often a helpful way to walk in the Spirit than in the flesh as well.
If we choose to keep our eyes focused on the Lord, He can replace all the pain and anger and suffering with joy and peace and happyness. Perhaps its time to let go of this pain, and move on in the love and light of the Lord. I'm praying for you.
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RE: Angry with God - 8/12/2008 2:24:20 PM
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TorchHeart,
I could have written your letter, almost. The situations are a little different, but the feelings were the same. My anger at God didn't involve the actions of other people as much as God allowing things to happen, one after another, over a 5-year period. I've been reading Job, again. This time, I can so much more identify with his experiences. I lost my job and income. I lost my nice home and ended up living in a should-have-been-condemned hovel for awhile. Two very dear loved ones died a few months apart. I lost my medical insurance and a few months later ended up in the hospital with a raging infection from a ruptured gall bladder, that nearly cost me my life and left me $41,000 in medical debt. Thoses are just the highlights of a long 5 years. I couldn't understand why God would allow so much to happen in so short a period of time. Like Job, I felt I hadn't done anything to deserve God's wrath being poured out on me. But, then, Jesus didn't deserve what happened to Him, and He truly hadn't done anything wrong. In Job's case, God rewarded him with more and better than what he lost. In my case, things aren't better than what I lost, but they are better than where I was for awhile. Prayer and trusting God doesn't always change the situation we're in or the circumstances surrounding us, but it can and does change our attitude toward the situation and circumstances. Now, I can look back and see what God was teaching or how He was moldinig me through some of my experiences. There are others that are still a little vague, and still others I may never understand.
Like you and so many others here, I've been hurt by people. You can hang onto the hurt like a blanket and let it eat you up, or you can let it go. It's not easy to let it go. We tend to draw comfort from painful memories and the anger those memories bring. When you ask for help in forgiving, you'll often find the memories will bombard you (thanks to Satan), making it very hard to forgive. What I had to do, instead of focusing so hard on trying to forgive, was focus more on forgetting what had happened. When the memories tried to overwhelm me, I thought about something else or did something to get my mind off it. Then, one day, I realized those memories no longer caused pain or anger when they came to the surface. I even found I had forgiven the person, who was an uncle who sexually abused me several times when I was 5 years old. I have been in the same room with that uncle many times since being freed from my hatred and anger. It felt great to no longer be hanging onto all that garbage. I can't say I've achieved that goal with all past offenders. I still hold some animosity toward my ex-husband, but God and I are working on that!
Love and hugs.
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RE: Angry with God - 8/12/2008 4:37:04 PM
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I can definitely relate to being angry with God. I wonder if those who say they have never felt that are being honest with themselves.
My mother died just a few days short of her 50th birthday after a painful 18-month struggle with cancer. She was the most faithful, God-fearing, loving, and committed Christian example I can think of. She was also the only parent I'd ever really formed a real relationship with, as she and my father had divorced when I was three. I was incredibly angry with God and basically everything else when she died, but God especially, since she had served Him so faithfully and never, ever waivered in her belief in Him. How could it possibly seen as anything other than the utmost cruelty to deprive a child of his mother (I was 14 when she died) and a mother of her children by the most painful, degrading way imaginable? What had she done to deserve such a terrible death? If God would allow this sort of thing to happen to His most faithful of believers, what might happen to ME since I was so angry with God that I couldn't see any reason to turn to Him in anything other than anger, hurt, pain, and saddness? (None of which he seemed to be in too much of a hurry to alleviate.)
I made my feelings very clear to Him. The way I saw it, God and I were NOT on speaking terms. We would remain that way almost a decade.
Some things I have learned about/while being angry with God and the world:
- YOU nuture that anger. God, while understanding our feelings and reasons for them, is above our arguments. While we may be angry with Him, He is slow to anger, and abounding in love and faithfulness (Exodus 34:6). He is not the reason for our anger, and He does not sustain it. YOU sustain it. The fault is not with God.
- Anger is an understandable and natural emotion. There is nothing un-Christian about anger, in and of itself. God has also expressed anger (Exodus 4:14).
- However, anger is ultimately destructive. When we dwell in our anger, it affects our relationships with God and everyone around us. We are reminded of the nature of love in 1 Corinthians 13; these natures include that which is "not easily angered", and "keeps no record of wrongs". Notice that anger is not completely absent (you can love and be angry), but dwelling in anger is against the nature of love. We find ourselves unable to love while dwelling in anger.
- Given that anger ultimately removes us from love, as long as we remain in anger we will struggle to feel God's love for us. It is not that God does not love us or care for us; it is that we cannot fully be embraced by His love while we remain in the embrace of our own anger.
- God is forgiving. When we ask for His forgiveness, it is granted.
- God's plan for our lives is not our plan. We cannot understand God's plan. We can only surrender the control of our lives to God. If we are faithful to Him, we are also faithful to His guidance and His works in our lives, even when we HATE the results.
What will it take for you to deal with your anger? I don't know. You don't know. Only God knows. I just hope that you will take what others have written here to heart. As for me, I pray daily that the Lord heal my unbelief, because it is hard to belief that He would REALLY allow His people to suffer as they do. Of course, that suffering is also told of in the Bible, but then it is ALSO hard to connect our own sufferings with those of the people of the Bible. Again, Lord heal my unbelief! My suffering is for the edification of my faith, which is constantly renewed through all troubles as well as all blessings. All things lead us to the Lord, we just have to be willing to follow Him, even when we feel trepidation in doing so.
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RE: Angry with God - 8/12/2008 5:20:20 PM
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My life has not been easy but not as difficult as many others.
I don't know what it is like to be angry at God.
Anger is an attribute that can do good when properly controlled and properly directed. Directing anger toward God resolves absolutely nothing.
Anger prompts us to take action but somewhere along the way we either gain or lose control of our anger and the results can be detrimental if we are not wise.
I've seen many posts in this forum stating that they cursed and screamed at God and ultimately their hearts were softened. It is as if they are saying that this is what it took to bring them to their knees. Not everyone takes this route to a closer relationship with God and it is not adviseable.
We should run to God. We should cherish this life along with every breath that we take and use every moment that we can to learn about Him and draw closer to Him.
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RE: Angry with God - 8/12/2008 6:40:25 PM
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"I was going to answer this differently, but I actually sat and thought about it for a little while. I can say that I'm afraid that there is one dream of mine that's getting crushed and will probably fall shy (barring "divine intervention" for lack of a better term), but I can think of several that aren't dead yet for me. I'm actually glad you made me think of this."
Let me tell you a little story about dreams. I have a marketing degree and had alllllll these dreams about being a big shot marketeer and making looooottttsss of money, blah, blah, blah.  That dream never came true. I'm in what's called a dead end job, BUT . . . . God now wants me to be a writer, not a marketeer. Torch, there are times I peek open God's dream door and I'm just surprised and shocked by what I see. God places things on my heart that I think, you're kidding, right? In otherwords, grab a Tic-Tac or go buy a box of them. Now place one tic-tac on the floor. Now go get a semi truck tire, roll it into the house, put it beside the tic-tac. The tic-tac is your dream, the Semi-truck tire is God's dream. Get the picture? Your dreams aren't dead, it may just not be the biggie one God has in store for you. Remember the Steven Curtis Chapman song:
Started out this morning in the usual way
Chasing thoughts inside my head of all I had to do today
Another time around the circle try to make it better than the lastI opened up the Bible and I read about me
Said I'd been a prisoner and God's grace had set me free
And somewhere between the pages it hit me like a lightning boltI saw a big frontier in front of me and I heard somebody say "let's go"!
CHORUS
Saddle up your horses we've got a trail to blaze
Through the wild blue yonder of God's amazing grace
Let's follow our leader into the glorious unknownThis is a life like no other - this is The Great Adventure
Come on get ready for the ride of your lifeGonna leave long faced religion in a cloud of dust behind
And discover all the new horizons just waiting to be explored
This is what we were created for
ChorusBrige:
We'll travel over, over mountains so high
We'll go through valleys below
Still through it all we'll find that
This is the greatest journey that the human heart will ever see
The love of God will take us far beyond our wildest dreamsYeah... oh saddle up your horses... come on get ready to ride Chorus
In other words, Saddle up, partner, there's a trail bigger than you've ever seen that needs to be blazed. And it makes your dream seem like a tic-tac. ;) Don't be sad you're dream is 'crushed'. It might not be, it might just be hybernating. Or as God did with me, set you on a new and cooler course. If the dream you have doesn't come true, then it probably wasn't from God and He knew it wouldn't make you happy. He just saved you a lot of heartache. :)
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"This is where I admit that I have a huge problem. I have tried to forgive some of these people for years (honestly, I've tried to forgive an entire church for years, among others). Every time I think I've got things under control, something will bring back all the anger and I go right back to hating them with a passion. I've asked God for help. So what exactly am I doing wrong?"
This will help you, it does me. It's what we concentrate on that trips us up. If you concentrate on the hurts, then you'll be mad. But if you say, no, I've forgiven them and I let it go, God's dealing with this and I leave this in His hands. then the anger will go, it has to go. Try praying for the people who hurt you. Also remember, the anger is the devil poking you with a hot poker, bringing back the hurts. He pokes and pokes and the anger rages. Then he sits back and laughs and laughs and laughs. I too have this problem, so trust me, torch, I understand. But the Lord showed me, I have to let it go. This anger is poison for you. It's like you're drinking poison and waiting for the other person to die. And it grieves God to see you so hurt. He hates seeing you hurt and wants to help you through this. Let Him. He's desperately in love with you, so let Him help with this. Once you take the step out into forgiveness, He'll slip your arm over his shoulder and His arm around your waist and help you through this. Right now, the devil has a laso around you, holding you tight with anger and hatred. But God can break those ropes and set you free. But each time those angry thoughts come to mind, say, No, I won't think on those things. I've forgiven, I let them go and Father, I'm trusting you to help me. It helps, trust me.
And one more thing about that anger. It not only hurts your relationship with God, but it also hurts your body. God showed me the anger puts pressure on my heart and my blood pressure goes through the roof. I don't know how old you are, I'm in my early 40's, but the older you get, the harder it gets. I know these people have hurt you and the pain is legit. But it does you no good to drink that poison and expect the other person to die. you're the one who dies, inside and out. LEt it go, hon, it's not worth sacrificing your relationship with God and your body for folks you'll never see again. hang in there, dear, it'll be ok. I pray God gives you the strength you need to see this through the end. :) Just don't be mad at Him and do what His word says, and things inside of you WILL change. The people may never change, but you will. And instead of weeping tears of anger at those people, you'll weep tears of forgiveness and love.
Kim
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RE: Angry with God - 8/12/2008 7:21:45 PM
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howdy folks forgive? I am sitting at a public library i live in a shelter for battered women. But guess what this is an answer to prayer I now have a job and am on my way to living free of violence pain and anger. Who do I "hate" nobody I love God because He first love me. Who should be the biggest hater Jesus? but does He hate? no. He loved us even though we totured beat flogged and spit on him. How can we hate when he teaches us how not to?
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RE: Angry with God - 8/12/2008 9:14:50 PM
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One thing I've noticed since becoming a Christian is that my prayers for myself seem to be more forthcoming than prayers for other people. The reason is the heart. When I've prayed for myself, and my heart really wanted what I was asking, then the prayers were quickly answered. I have prayers for other people and those are not so quick in being realized. Patience. We have to have patience. Pray and believe. If we pray in God's will and believe, then God will grant us our prayers. Of course, the question to ask is is what I am praying for God's will? Only you know that answer to that question. I've been praying for salvation for family members. Been praying now for over 11 years (since I was saved). I've yet to see all my loved ones saved. I know my prayer is according to God's will. God wants all to be saved. I must trust in God and be patient. I can't give up and stop praying. Same with you. If what you want is God's will and you haven't seen the fruitition of your prayers, then hang in there. Keep praying. We're all in the same boat as you, you know. We all have prayers we are waiting on God to answer.
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RE: Angry with God - 8/12/2008 10:32:40 PM
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Odd to me how so many people cant forgive what a church did to them. Yet, lets look at what a church is, its a bunch of sinners praising the Lord for being forgiven. I have yet to see any church that was much more than a bunch of people trying to follow Jesus with out doing such a great job of it. If any of them say they are without sin they lie. Are we going to see ourselves as better than Jesus and say we should have been treated better by a bunch of people who are sinners who are responsible for Him being nailed to a cross.
The Word says in Matthew 'If you do not forgive then neither are you forgiven by the Father.' I have heard many a pastor say that perhaps the person that finds they cant forgive others has never been forgiven. Think about it and pray about it. And as for your dreams being crushed get over it. If you are a follower of Jesus and have given your life over to Him then your have no dreams to be your own. You claim to be His yet you also claim to be master either He is Master or You are ya cant have it both ways. So seems you need to decide who is the Master of your life.
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RE: Angry with God - 8/12/2008 10:45:38 PM
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TorchHeart
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Maybe the church/religion should've done some forgiving, first? Has anyone thought that MAYBE it should've went that way?
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RE: Angry with God - 8/12/2008 10:53:16 PM
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TorchHeart
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I thank everyone so far for your responses. If this thread is now boring or tiresome, let me know.
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ORIGINAL: Dancre
Remember the Steven Curtis Chapman song:
Started out this morning in the usual way
Chasing thoughts inside my head of all I had to do today
Another time around the circle try to make it better than the lastI opened up the Bible and I read about me
Said I'd been a prisoner and God's grace had set me free
And somewhere between the pages it hit me like a lightning boltI saw a big frontier in front of me and I heard somebody say "let's go"!
CHORUS
Saddle up your horses we've got a trail to blaze
Through the wild blue yonder of God's amazing grace
Let's follow our leader into the glorious unknownThis is a life like no other - this is The Great Adventure
Come on get ready for the ride of your lifeGonna leave long faced religion in a cloud of dust behind
And discover all the new horizons just waiting to be explored
This is what we were created for
ChorusBrige:
We'll travel over, over mountains so high
We'll go through valleys below
Still through it all we'll find that
This is the greatest journey that the human heart will ever see
The love of God will take us far beyond our wildest dreamsYeah... oh saddle up your horses... come on get ready to ride Chorus
I've never heard this song. Sorry. Nice message, though.
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ORIGINAL: Dancre
And one more thing about that anger. It not only hurts your relationship with God, but it also hurts your body. God showed me the anger puts pressure on my heart and my blood pressure goes through the roof. I don't know how old you are, I'm in my early 40's, but the older you get, the harder it gets. I know these people have hurt you and the pain is legit. But it does you no good to drink that poison and expect the other person to die. you're the one who dies, inside and out.
I'm glad someone (not just you; other people I'm reading on here, too) have been through feelings like this, and that I'm not the only one that thinks this pain is real. Some of the people I've met don't seem to think so.
Its hard not to hate. Hate is the strongest emotion God ever created, and I admit... I have it in spades. There are people I hate bad enought to wish ill upon their children, and pray they'd have to watch it. To be honest with you, sometimes I fell like the anger is all that keeps me going. I don't understand this. Does all this make me a bad person?
< Message edited by TorchHeart -- 8/12/2008 11:00:53 PM >
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RE: Angry with God - 8/13/2008 6:16:46 AM
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paulito
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ORIGINAL: freegirl
howdy folks forgive? I am sitting at a public library i live in a shelter for battered women. But guess what this is an answer to prayer I now have a job and am on my way to living free of violence pain and anger. Who do I "hate" nobody I love God because He first love me. Who should be the biggest hater Jesus? but does He hate? no. He loved us even though we totured beat flogged and spit on him. How can we hate when he teaches us how not to?
Thank you for this, because you are taking us back to the basics.
I suppose no one here has gone through what you have, yet you are finding in Christ the power to love and forgive. God bless you! Thanks God for the new job (I had mis-typed "joy" and that's true too); please help freegirl as she grows in grace and shares your love.
Back to original question, I would add that forgiveness is not only difficult; it's impossible. God is the One who can give it to us, as we see in the quote above.
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RE: Angry with God - 8/13/2008 7:41:33 AM
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mvic
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Hi TorchHeart,
It's me yet again. Responding in particular to your posts No 41 and 42.
Maybe the church/religion should have done some forgiving first. OK - so they didn't. What next? Continue to harbour hatred?
"There are people I hate bad enough to wish ill upon their children, and pray they'd have to watch it. To be honest with you, sometimes I feel like the anger is all that keeps me going." I understand and feel your anger when you wrote these words. But do you really mean them? Would you really enjoy seeing innocent children suffer - even though their parents may have been totally evil in hurting you. Let's say the devil promised to make that wish of yours come true for you. Would you really have him make those children suffer?
Everyone who wrote here say the same thing. Let go of the hatred and move on. They've bothered to write in because they care - about you. Yes - they care enough about you to write in and ask you to forgive and hand everything that happened to God.
Now then, do you care enough about yourself and your well-being to take the advice given or not?
To continue in an ever endless circle of hatred is certainly an option. But is it the right one?
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RE: Angry with God - 8/13/2008 6:15:33 PM
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Dancre
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I'm glad someone (not just you; other people I'm reading on here, too) have been through feelings like this, and that I'm not the only one that thinks this pain is real. Some of the people I've met don't seem to think so.
Its hard not to hate. Hate is the strongest emotion God ever created, and I admit... I have it in spades. There are people I hate bad enought to wish ill upon their children, and pray they'd have to watch it. To be honest with you, sometimes I fell like the anger is all that keeps me going. I don't understand this. Does all this make me a bad person?
Of course, it doesn't make you bad person. But that kind of anger hurts God horribly and hurts you just as much. Have you talked to a pastor about this anger? It seems a bit out of control and you might need some pastorial help in getting it under control. This anger will only destroy you and your loved ones in the end. Trust me, it's not worth it. And Love is the strongest emotion God created. Hatred is easy and weak, love is hard, but strong. :) Also remember, you chose what to dwell on, that's why Paul said, think upon those things that are good, pure, etc. Phil 4:8. paul also said to take every thought capitive. 2 cor 10:5. You chose what to dwell on, forgiveness or anger. It's your choice. :)
kim
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RE: Angry with God - 8/13/2008 6:39:48 PM
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GroupW
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Hi Kim. Nice to run into you again.
Liked the response very much. I think that's about the best that can be said.
Regards,
BT
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RE: Angry with God - 8/13/2008 7:34:47 PM
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rgod
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Of course, it doesn't make you bad person. But that kind of anger hurts God horribly and hurts you just as much. Have you talked to a pastor about this anger? It seems a bit out of control and you might need some pastorial help in getting it under control. This anger will only destroy you and your loved ones in the end. Trust me, it's not worth it. And Love is the strongest emotion God created. Hatred is easy and weak, love is hard, but strong. :) Also remember, you chose what to dwell on, that's why Paul said, think upon those things that are good, pure, etc. Phil 4:8. paul also said to take every thought capitive. 2 cor 10:5. You chose what to dwell on, forgiveness or anger. It's your choice. :)
I agree with GroupW - Kim this is an excellent response. TorchHeart - I think that the fact that you are willing to talk about this and that you want to forgive is very encouraging. Just the fact that you are talking about it shows that in your heart you want to get past this. I pray that you'll be able to find someone that will help you get past this - it sounds like you were hurt terribly - but it also seems to me like it is time for this to be pulled out by the roots so that you can be free of this and resume your relationship with the God. You have important work to do (God prepares work for all of us as believers to do) and this is hindering that plan for your life and also hindering your relationships and everything else.
A while ago, I was meditating on the scripture that the "thief comes only to steal kill and destroy" and I got this metaphor, which might sound a little strange - but I'll share it. I was once at a theme park and was on the bumper car ride. Well, somehow near the beginning of the ride, I got caught in a tangle of tires and parked cars. By the time I got free, the ride was just about over. And I saw that our lives are like that bumper car ride - it is short - but a vapor, but a mist. And it can be fun - there are unexpected accidents - many pitfalls - and there is also joy too. It is a gift that God has given. But there are things that can keep us tangled up in the tires and parked cars - like unforgiveness, hatred, bitterness, self-pity, or us not being able to let go of what was past. Sometimes these are spiritual things that the devil puts in front of us - he being the accuser of the bretheren - so everytime we try to break free from it - he reminds us of what happened. Regardless of the source, the bottom line is that every moment that we spend tangled up in those "tires and parked cars" is one less moment that we spend on the ride - or to extend the metaphor - it is one less moment that we spend living. I know people who have been bitter and died in their hatred - never fulfilling their full potential - in fact, a man close to my family died just like that. It was so sad because he had so much inside of him - but hatred, rejection, bitterness, clouded his vision. So these things often don't just get better with time - you have to deal with them - and it sounds like you want to do just that.
I am encouraged when I hear that you want to work through this. And yes, you will be able to get past this and to forgive because it won't be you forgiving alone - but you will be able to forgive by the power of God - the same God who forgave us as He died on that cross - even as we derided Him - spat on Him - humiliated Him. He forgave us - and because He forgave us and He lives in you - you will one day be able to forgive those who hurt you so terribly. I urge you to do whatever you need to do to get past this - and getting help (a pastor or a Christian counselor) is not a bad thing. Although it seems insurmountable - all is possible with God - and He is always with you - even when you are angry at Him.
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There are people I hate bad enought to wish ill upon their children, and pray they'd have to watch it. To be honest with you, sometimes I fell like the anger is all that keeps me going. I don't understand this.
I can't say for sure ... but sometimes when you are bound up with something - like hatred or anger - it is deceptive because it makes you feel powerful or in control. And often when you are hurt - you feel powerless or like you have no control. So the anger makes you feel protected or safe - so that you won't open your heart to that person again or anyone that reminds you of that person - that way you won't need to experience the hurt again. But it is deceptive because actually what is happening is you are cutting yourself off to life, to God, and you are opening up your life to ungodly influences. (Unforgiveness is no joke and there are reasons that the Lord places so much emphasis on forgiveness.) Often, to let go of hatred and anger is sometimes a very scary thing because it means you'll need to be vulnerable again. I don't know if that is the case for you. Being free can sometimes be very scary because it is unfamiliar ... I've had this before - it is the other side of being delivered from something - and something that people don't always talk about. But there is no reason to be scared. Over time, you will learn how to lean on God - and he will guide you. He will teach you how to deal with emotions in a healthy way - including anger. In fact, the best teaching I've ever heard concerning dealing with emotions comes from Ellel (www.ellel.org) which is based in England - but has offices all over the world.
I pray God's peace for you in this situation and am confident that you will move past this. It will take courage, but you will move past this if you want to and God will help you to do it.
rgod
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RE: Angry with God - 8/13/2008 10:29:17 PM
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