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RE: Paint the White House Black! - 8/9/2008 5:36:30 AM
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huangshan
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It should probably be mentioned, Hollywood is probably one of the most effective aids (or effective means) of spreading American culture (and appreciation of said culture) abroad.
and this is one reason why the radical Muslims call us the great satan
Sure. We're aggressively Americanizing other cultures on the sly via great (IMHO) entertainment. Conservative reactionaries aren't going to like it, but conservative reactionaries tend to hate on just about anything that reduces their influence.
Ah, forgot to mention, radical Muslims aren't a huge chunk of the world's population. If you want to talk about a huge chunk of the world's population, Chinese people love rap. Hip-hop and R&B are two of the leading (anecdotal, from what I have seen and heard here) styles of western music that Chinese people are interested in. Relatively clear lyrics (depending on the artist I suppose) are easy to understand, it aids in the understanding of a few segments of American culture, and it can be pretty easy to dance to.
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RE: Paint the White House Black! - 8/9/2008 8:16:20 AM
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Sure. We're aggressively Americanizing other cultures on the sly via great (IMHO) entertainment.
I remember back in the 90's, I use to go to Vietnam quite often. At this hotel in Hanoi, the three American TV shows they showed back to back were, Baywatch, COPS, and Dallas. So there you have it: Sex, Crime, and Greed. That's their vision of America. My point is, I think in countries where the state controls the airways, they are careful what type of "great entertainment" is allowed. The shows I cited as well as a lot of gangsta rap music doesn't necessarily show America in the most positive light.
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Conservative reactionaries aren't going to like it, but conservative reactionaries tend to hate on just about anything that reduces their influence.
You can pretty much say the same thing about liberal reactionaries. I just think conservatives are much more convincing at being hateful than tree-hugging dolphin-loving liberals. 
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RE: Paint the White House Black! - 8/10/2008 4:25:44 AM
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Friends is easily the most popular western show in China, and it has nothing to do with what is on the airwaves. Illegal DVDs are all over the place in eastern and southeastern Asia. The most popular movies are The Shawshank Redemption and Forrest Gump.
The determining factor today is largely "ease of understanding".
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RE: Paint the White House Black! - 8/10/2008 4:19:58 PM
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Ah, forgot to mention, radical Muslims aren't a huge chunk of the world's population.
Really? Just how many radical Muslims do you think there are in the world at the present time?
If you could furnish a percentage it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
RC
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RE: Paint the White House Black! - 8/11/2008 12:52:09 PM
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Ah, forgot to mention, radical Muslims aren't a huge chunk of the world's population.
Really? Just how many radical Muslims do you think there are in the world at the present time?
If you could furnish a percentage it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
RC
What is good about non-radical Muslims?
John
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RE: Paint the White House Black! - 8/11/2008 2:11:02 PM
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Ah, forgot to mention, radical Muslims aren't a huge chunk of the world's population.
Really? Just how many radical Muslims do you think there are in the world at the present time?
If you could furnish a percentage it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
RC
What is good about non-radical Muslims?
John
Well, judging from my college roommate Mike Atage (Iranian), the good points were:
intelligent
polite
played a mean striker forward
had the sense to apply for American citizenship instead of going home to Ayatollahland.
Was a chick magnet - which made me a chick's-ROOMMATE-magnet
Married in grad school, three kids, solid citizen, likes a steak as much as the next man
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RE: Paint the White House Black! - 8/11/2008 6:03:46 PM
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Ah, forgot to mention, radical Muslims aren't a huge chunk of the world's population.
Really? Just how many radical Muslims do you think there are in the world at the present time?
If you could furnish a percentage it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
RC
What is good about non-radical Muslims?
John
Well, judging from my college roommate Mike Atage (Iranian), the good points were:
intelligent
polite
played a mean striker forward
had the sense to apply for American citizenship instead of going home to Ayatollahland.
Was a chick magnet - which made me a chick's-ROOMMATE-magnet
Married in grad school, three kids, solid citizen, likes a steak as much as the next man
I guess that's great if you judging solely on the secular curve...
Of course the bible doesn't speak all that well of those who are an enemy of God and all the good point you mention amount to less than nothing...
John
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RE: Paint the White House Black! - 8/12/2008 4:50:32 AM
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huangshan
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Ah, forgot to mention, radical Muslims aren't a huge chunk of the world's population.
Really? Just how many radical Muslims do you think there are in the world at the present time?
If you could furnish a percentage it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
RC
Ah, you called attention to a mistake, my apologies. I didn't nail down what "radical Muslims" are before I started bloviating. Sloppy.
I'd rather not get into a debate on that point, as it's squishy and is going to involve a lot of hair-splitting on what is radical, what is fundamentalist, and what is normal. I retract my comment and rebuke myself. My apologies.
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RE: Paint the White House Black! - 8/12/2008 9:35:57 AM
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Ah, forgot to mention, radical Muslims aren't a huge chunk of the world's population.
Really? Just how many radical Muslims do you think there are in the world at the present time?
If you could furnish a percentage it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
RC
What is good about non-radical Muslims?
John
Well, judging from my college roommate Mike Atage (Iranian), the good points were:
intelligent
polite
played a mean striker forward
had the sense to apply for American citizenship instead of going home to Ayatollahland.
Was a chick magnet - which made me a chick's-ROOMMATE-magnet
Married in grad school, three kids, solid citizen, likes a steak as much as the next man
I guess that's great if you judging solely on the secular curve...
Of course the bible doesn't speak all that well of those who are an enemy of God and all the good point you mention amount to less than nothing...
John
My, how...judgemental.
And how irrelevant to the topic.
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RE: Paint the White House Black! - 8/12/2008 10:35:23 AM
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What do any of these posts have to do with Obama's friend Ludacris?
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RE: Paint the White House Black! - 8/12/2008 12:38:39 PM
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Ah, forgot to mention, radical Muslims aren't a huge chunk of the world's population.
Really? Just how many radical Muslims do you think there are in the world at the present time?
If you could furnish a percentage it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
RC
What is good about non-radical Muslims?
John
Well, judging from my college roommate Mike Atage (Iranian), the good points were:
intelligent
polite
played a mean striker forward
had the sense to apply for American citizenship instead of going home to Ayatollahland.
Was a chick magnet - which made me a chick's-ROOMMATE-magnet
Married in grad school, three kids, solid citizen, likes a steak as much as the next man
I guess that's great if you judging solely on the secular curve...
Of course the bible doesn't speak all that well of those who are an enemy of God and all the good point you mention amount to less than nothing...
John
My, how...judgemental.
And how irrelevant to the topic.
Funny how if one judges in a positive manner it's not judgmental...
Whatever you may feel on the matter I spoke the truth...
John
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RE: Paint the White House Black! - 8/12/2008 1:59:31 PM
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Sure. We're aggressively Americanizing other cultures on the sly via great (IMHO) entertainment. Conservative reactionaries aren't going to like it, but conservative reactionaries tend to hate on just about anything that reduces their influence.
Are we "Americanizing" them or are they desirous of being more like Americans instead of where they are?
Thanks
RC
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RE: Paint the White House Black! - 8/12/2008 2:02:20 PM
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Ah, forgot to mention, radical Muslims aren't a huge chunk of the world's population.
Really? Just how many radical Muslims do you think there are in the world at the present time?
If you could furnish a percentage it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
RC
What is good about non-radical Muslims?
John
Well, judging from my college roommate Mike Atage (Iranian), the good points were:
intelligent
polite
played a mean striker forward
had the sense to apply for American citizenship instead of going home to Ayatollahland.
Was a chick magnet - which made me a chick's-ROOMMATE-magnet
Married in grad school, three kids, solid citizen, likes a steak as much as the next man
I guess that's great if you judging solely on the secular curve...
Of course the bible doesn't speak all that well of those who are an enemy of God and all the good point you mention amount to less than nothing...
John
My, how...judgemental.
And how irrelevant to the topic.
Funny how if one judges in a positive manner it's not judgmental...
Whatever you may feel on the matter I spoke the truth...
John
Always about you, and how nobody else comes up to your standards. I feel sorry for you.
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RE: Paint the White House Black! - 8/12/2008 3:04:01 PM
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huangshan
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Sure. We're aggressively Americanizing other cultures on the sly via great (IMHO) entertainment. Conservative reactionaries aren't going to like it, but conservative reactionaries tend to hate on just about anything that reduces their influence.
Are we "Americanizing" them or are they desirous of being more like Americans instead of where they are?
Thanks
RC
I'm not sure I understand your distinction, but I suspect it depends largely on the region in question. Chinese people have seemed to me largely content to be Chinese while looking at American culture as providing a lot of cues for modernization, cultural and otherwise.
Places and people who have less nationalist sentiments and who enjoy American culture are, I think, more likely to want to supplant American vulture with their own, but I confess I've seen not a lot of this and a lot of the situation I outlined first.
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RE: Paint the White House Black! - 8/12/2008 3:15:26 PM
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It should probably be mentioned, Hollywood is probably one of the most effective aids (or effective means) of spreading American culture (and appreciation of said culture) abroad.
and this is one reason why the radical Muslims call us the great satan
With the exception of B. Hussein O., whom they call, THE MESSIAH.
- Julius
Honestly, is there any reason to spell Obama's name so as to emphasize his middle name? It's quite ridiculous and childish. If your going to make such outrageous claims about him being called "the messiah", then at least provide legitimate citings that do not come from the sources of redneck Christianity.
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RE: Paint the White House Black! - 8/12/2008 3:21:51 PM
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It should probably be mentioned, Hollywood is probably one of the most effective aids (or effective means) of spreading American culture (and appreciation of said culture) abroad.
and this is one reason why the radical Muslims call us the great satan
With the exception of B. Hussein O., whom they call, THE MESSIAH.
- Julius
Honestly, is there any reason to spell Obama's name so as to emphasize his middle name? It's quite ridiculous and childish. If your going to make such outrageous claims about him being called "the messiah", then at least provide legitimate citings that do not come from the sources of redneck Christianity.
Actually, I find it quite amusing every time one of the rabid Obama-haters tries to highlight his middle name (as if Obama had any say in the matter - he was pretty young at the time, remember).
They apprently WANT to be peceived as ridiculous and childish and consider it a badge of honor of some sort.
Me, I was always sort of worried about a president named Milhouse, but that turned out okay.
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RE: Paint the White House Black! - 8/12/2008 3:24:29 PM
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Me, I was always sort of worried about a president named Milhouse, but that turned out okay.
It did? What is your definition of 'okay'?
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RE: Paint the White House Black! - 8/12/2008 3:46:25 PM
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Me, I was always sort of worried about a president named Milhouse, but that turned out okay.
It did? What is your definition of 'okay'?
He got run out of office before facing impeachment, probably the best possible outcome for all concerned except, of course, for Jerry Ford, who wound up holding the bag.
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RE: Paint the White House Black! - 8/12/2008 3:52:20 PM
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Always about you, and how nobody else comes up to your standards. I feel sorry for you.
I am sure you want this to be about me, surely you cannot refute what is posted...
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RE: Paint the White House Black! - 8/12/2008 11:20:40 PM
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Me, I was always sort of worried about a president named Milhouse, but that turned out okay.
It did? What is your definition of 'okay'?
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RE: Paint the White House Black! - 8/13/2008 12:02:39 AM
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What does that even have to do with what we were talking about?
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RE: Paint the White House Black! - 8/13/2008 8:39:27 AM
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In another thread, inthysite mentioned a great saying that I had long ago forgotten: "Please do not feed the trolls". I think that applies here.
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What does that even have to do with what we were talking about?
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RE: Paint the White House Black! - 8/13/2008 9:01:26 AM
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In another thread, inthysite mentioned a great saying that I had long ago forgotten: "Please do not feed the trolls". I think that applies here.
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CHI-NA
What does that even have to do with what we were talking about?
'Milhouse' turned out to be GREAT trollbait, didn't it?
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RE: Paint the White House Black! - 8/13/2008 9:28:31 AM
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Are we "Americanizing" them or are they desirous of being more like Americans instead of where they are?
I'm not sure I understand your distinction, but I suspect it depends largely on the region in question.
The disctinction is that in your post it came across as if it were something we (as America) was bing proactive about. As "American" conspiracy as it were to americanize the whole world.
I believe that other cultures just see the wonderful life we have and are desirous to have the same.
Thanks
RC
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RE: Paint the White House Black! - 8/13/2008 12:36:08 PM
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huangshan
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Are we "Americanizing" them or are they desirous of being more like Americans instead of where they are?
I'm not sure I understand your distinction, but I suspect it depends largely on the region in question.
The disctinction is that in your post it came across as if it were something we (as America) was bing proactive about. As "American" conspiracy as it were to americanize the whole world.
I believe that other cultures just see the wonderful life we have and are desirous to have the same.
Thanks
RC
Ah, I understand, and I apologize if my meaning was unclear. I do not think there is some kind of conspiracy to Americanize the whole world. I'm reasonably certain the most successful "wins" for American culture are largely unintentional and passive and in large part I for one am very happy with the results.
Speaking hypothetically though, I don't think such a "conspiracy" as it were would necessarily be a bad thing.
P.S.: RE the stuff above RC: I'm not sure how "CHI-NA" could be construed as trolling. I was merely rooting for one of my favorite presidents. (and I am being sincere. Nixon was a flawed but great man.)
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