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truthrevealed -> RE: Pull your kids from school because of funding??? (8/6/2008 2:16:52 PM)

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P31W -> RE: Pull your kids from school because of funding??? (8/6/2008 2:18:27 PM)

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There will always be poor among us. Should not these people be allowed equal opportunity. Perhaps it might actually MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THEIR STATUS.......as poor people???


Having been in the helping field for several decades now and having witnessed what our welfare program and education program has produces I would say it never helps to give people something for nothing. You only respect and care for what YOU have to work for.

Oprah learned this herself and that is why opened her school in Africa rather than here in the USA where people have begun to take others efforts and sacrifice forgranted and are ungrateful.



truthrevealed -> RE: Pull your kids from school because of funding??? (8/6/2008 2:25:47 PM)

p31, since you chose to respond to a question directed at another(which is fine but I don't know if you are a christian or not........assuming---- you are..... Have you not benefitted from things that have been FREELY given you, unconditionally? things that you DID not nor COULD NOT earn. Have you not received mercy that you ABSOLUTELY DID NOT DESERVE? and have not others around you benefited from God's gracious generousity in YOUR life?

And before you ask what that has to do with the topic at hand....well, if you don't know.......



earthless -> RE: Pull your kids from school because of funding??? (8/6/2008 2:26:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: truthrevealed

Earthless, I received your PM. I'd be interested in hearing from you what blame and responsibility the people in "those communities" should take?


The better question to be asked would be, what blame and responsibility does not belong to them?

Opportunity after opportunity is available for all of us living in this country. And even more so when you're a "minority" living in a large city.

Tactics that aren't being considered?

* Get jobs, act responsibly, make the community viable so that tax revenues increase and schools improve;

* Sit down, shut up, learn.

We can see this part of the plan working brilliantly though:

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Acree added there will be a protest on Thursday at noon in downtown Chicago about the funding issue. And after the first day boycott, ministers say they plan to hold classes in the lobbies of downtown buildings to get the business community to pay attention.


Do they have permission for that? Sen. Meeks says no, but he added, 'they'll just have to get arrested.'

Speaking of arrests, why not have the business community head over to such stellar examples of the CPS like Crane, Bogan, Schurz, Prosser, Farragut and half a dozen other schools where the arrests from these schools alone would total almost 40 or 50 per day? We're sure the business community would love to see that.



earthless -> RE: Pull your kids from school because of funding??? (8/6/2008 2:27:52 PM)

Another thing that is wrong is don't they realize that CPS receives its yearly funding from the state based on first day and first week attendance numbers?

By "boycotting" opening day, they're hurting the kids' funding for the year.



earthless -> RE: Pull your kids from school because of funding??? (8/6/2008 2:32:22 PM)

Some more rants...

Let's say that Meeks keeps a good number of kids home the first day or the first week. Maybe after a day is spent teaching the average REAL CPS student, they'll understand funding isn't necessarily the problem. Lack of participation on the 'students' and parents' perhaps play a role in this as well.

Perhaps they should minister the needs of school-aged children; like a curfew, a bedtime, and scheduled homework session. Perhaps that may be the answer to the beleaguered school system.

I would love for any of the great and able-bodied ministers be present for a school dismissal at Tilden, Kelly HS, Curie HS, or Bogan any/every day of the week. Perhaps then they'll get the BIG picture.

Wasn't busing kids from poor neighborhoods into nicer city neighborhoods supposed to fix the problem of having a biased teaching system. We all know how effective that is... It lowers the schools performance that receive those kids and raises crime in the areas surrounding the schools.



truthrevealed -> RE: Pull your kids from school because of funding??? (8/6/2008 2:32:30 PM)

As it concerns school funding via first day attendance, after doing research I have found that what has been widely regarded as truth is...a myth. Information can be found via internet search engine(I believe Rev. Meeks has a website which addresses this issue).



earthless -> RE: Pull your kids from school because of funding??? (8/6/2008 2:35:47 PM)

A letter my friend sent me the other day regarding this entire topic:

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Dear Rev./ Senator Meeks

After seeing your sound bites on the news, I have a couple of things I feel the need to point out to you. You state that CPS spends $10,000 per student. Yet you also state that only the students in "colored" (your words, not mine) schools are being short changed.

That is why the students at "colored" schools are failing and droping out. I do not see these problems at Sauganash, Edgebrook, Ebinger, Onihan, Taft, Mather or Von Stuben.

I will not include Northside Prep because student from the neighborhood do not attend for the most part.

The same $10,000 per student is spent at these schools as the "colored" schools. Is this the product of money or parenting?

We could spend $100,000 per student and it would not make a difference. If you do not make sure your kids go to school, study, do their homework and generally be supportive you end up with a failure and a drop out.

Teachers have you children for less than 7 hours a day, you have them the other 17 hours. It is not up to the teachers to raise your children.

As for the money the suburbs spend per student, it is comes from the tax base.

Living in Norwood Park I pay some of the highest property taxes in the city. How much do your "parishioners" pay in taxes? How much do the constituents that you pander to pay in taxes?

If you cannot carry your own weight how can you complain. Sure, some of the suburbs can spend more per student, they pay MORE IN PROPERTY TAXES.

What is the average property tax paid in Englewood? Where do you expect the money to come from? Sorry, other than lottery tickets.

Do you expect 35% of the population to pay for the other 65%?

Care for your children, pay your end and you will be amazed at how much better everyone will turn out.

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earthless -> RE: Pull your kids from school because of funding??? (8/6/2008 2:37:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: truthrevealed

As it concerns school funding via first day attendance, after doing research I have found that what has been widely regarded as truth is...a myth. Information can be found via internet search engine(I believe Rev. Meeks has a website which addresses this issue).


Too bad CPS says otherwise:

"State funding for public schools is tied directly to attendance. The CPS Web site says the school system receives an extra $18 million for every 1 percent increase in student attendance each year."



earthless -> RE: Pull your kids from school because of funding??? (8/6/2008 2:40:46 PM)

Another rant from a co-worker:

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It's all money. That is what is missing in the CPS system. Just give the board of ED more money and they will deliver highly educated people.

The good Rev. on TV told us so.

The really sad part is that many will keep peanut home on the first day of school believing this garbage.

This is the society that Democracts have given us. People have been taught that they get paid for doing nothing, that bad decisions have no consequences, and that if you whine and play the victim role, you will receive.

Now a select demographic believe that just pushing peanut out the door to school is edumacating them. No parental involvement, structure, or support required.

It's so ironic that this community doesn't understand that this is what the Democrats want. This is why they are referred to as "poverty pimps".

To keep them dependent and electing their providers, thus keeping those providers in power. With that power, comes all the contracts and jobs that they can pass out to their friends and supporters.

This current system is leading the U.S. to becoming insignificant in the world within 100 years.

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truthrevealed -> RE: Pull your kids from school because of funding??? (8/6/2008 2:55:27 PM)

I did not say that attendance was not vital/neccesary to state funding, I said that what has been believed regarding FIRST day attendence in regards to funding is a myth. (Sorry but I still do not know how to copy and paste etc. etc. so am unable to provide a link, but I stated in my last post how information can be found[:D]).

Also, as an involved parent in my children's education I ABSOLUTELY agree that parental involvement is paramount to the success of our children in MANY areas. What's troubling to me is to read/hear the remarks of those who vehemently complain about the hooping and hollering of those from the pulpit(people who are trying to make SOME difference)and fail to realize that their own RANTS far supercede the ones that they complain about(Romans 2:1 explains this head-on).

After browsing, I've heard/read some of the comments made from the pulpit and when I pit them against those OUTSIDE the pulpit I see little difference[8|].



earthless -> RE: Pull your kids from school because of funding??? (8/6/2008 2:58:22 PM)

The troublesome part is what I bolded in the post above your last one.



earthless -> RE: Pull your kids from school because of funding??? (8/6/2008 3:06:43 PM)

Ouch.. some more comments from my other board. Either funny or hateful.. depending on what you believe:

NEW CLASSES BEING TAUGHT AT NEW TRIER THIS COMING YEAR:

1)SPEECH: How to answer any question with "huh" or "who me?"

2)NUTRITION: How to survive on a diet of fried food, flamin hots, red pop and 40oz'ers and still be built like Mr. Universe

3)SEX ED: How to always have a condom in your pocket yet still have 6 kids

4)FAMILY VALUES: How to have everyone be a relative, ie cuzzin, yet not know their name but what they "go by" (what gang they're with)

5)DRIVING: How to use the turn lane as a passing lane and the center lane to turn

6)ECONOMICS: How to get an education and expensive rims without working or paying taxes

7)MAGIC: How to disappear into any alley or gangway

8)MULTI-TASKING: How to eat, talk on a cell phone and walk at the same time

9)RULES OF THE ROAD: How to cross the street when the light is red

10)PHYSICS: How a car doesn't vibrate apart from the bass in the 500 watt woofer in the trunk of car

11)TRIATHALON: How to ride a bike, shoot a pistol and then hop a 10 foot fence

12)SHOP: How to dismantle a hot water heater and copper piping



WesP -> RE: Pull your kids from school because of funding??? (8/6/2008 3:26:18 PM)

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Wasn't busing kids from poor neighborhoods into nicer city neighborhoods supposed to fix the problem of having a biased teaching system. We all know how effective that is... It lowers the schools performance that receive those kids and raises crime in the areas surrounding the schools.


In my town, only one school met the federal guidelines last year. It was an elementary school that is ranked around 550 out of some 1500 schools in the state. My son attended there. This year when I took him to school the first day, they told me that he had to go to another school that is ranked at nearly 1000 out of the 1500 schools. I petitioned and was told that he would not be able to return to the school he has attended for 3 years. He is one of many who were shifted to the other district because that school does so poorly. Why should he (straight A's, etc.) be sent to a school in which there is little education? He is home schooled now.



earthless -> RE: Pull your kids from school because of funding??? (8/6/2008 3:41:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WesP
He is home schooled now.


Many in the House and Senate want to:

a) ban home schooling'

b) have home school kids education/degrees worthless if they wanted to work for any local, city, county, state government or be accredited by the state for attorneys, teachers, etc..

c) make it a law where only a state certified teacher can home school their kids



WesP -> RE: Pull your kids from school because of funding??? (8/6/2008 3:54:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: earthless

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ORIGINAL: WesP
He is home schooled now.


Many in the House and Senate want to:

a) ban home schooling'

b) have home school kids education/degrees worthless if they wanted to work for any local, city, county, state government or be accredited by the state for attorneys, teachers, etc..

c) make it a law where only a state certified teacher can home school their kids


I know, but, for now, it is the best solution. All I can say is that I am totally in support of home schooling children. All 4 of mine are home schooled at this point. I am returning to school this month myself, and I think I will get a teaching certificate after graduation just to guarantee that they cannot stop me from teaching them.



stampinlady -> RE: Pull your kids from school because of funding??? (8/6/2008 9:55:33 PM)

Boy, I never thought this thread would be so interesting. I was merely looking for opiniosn on whether Rev. Meeks was correct in telling his congregation to pull their kids.[:D]

Earthless, good points made and yes I still think the state needs to find a better balance in spending per child, but I the whole "no taxes and Section 8 housing got me thinking." We pay alot in taex compared to others. I'm gonna look and see just how much and post it for referance if I can.



earthless -> RE: Pull your kids from school because of funding??? (8/7/2008 8:32:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: stampinlady

Boy, I never thought this thread would be so interesting. I was merely looking for opiniosn on whether Rev. Meeks was correct in telling his congregation to pull their kids.[:D]

Earthless, good points made and yes I still think the state needs to find a better balance in spending per child, but I the whole "no taxes and Section 8 housing got me thinking." We pay alot in taex compared to others. I'm gonna look and see just how much and post it for referance if I can.


You do pay a nice amount where you live. And as many here may not know Cook County has the highest sales tax in the U.S., quite possibly much of the world.



P31W -> RE: Pull your kids from school because of funding??? (8/7/2008 8:50:20 AM)

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p31, since you chose to respond to a question directed at another(which is fine but I don't know if you are a christian or not........assuming---- you are..... Have you not benefitted from things that have been FREELY given you, unconditionally? things that you DID not nor COULD NOT earn. Have you not received mercy that you ABSOLUTELY DID NOT DESERVE? and have not others around you benefited from God's gracious generousity in YOUR life?

And before you ask what that has to do with the topic at hand....well, if you don't know.......



Are you trying to compare the gift of salvation from God and the transforming work of the Holy Spirit that comes to reside within us with free human provided public school education?

If you are them you don't get it!

Humans giving another human something vs God giving mercy and then the gift of the HOLY SPIRIT living in us that ENABLES US to become more Christlike are two completely sperate issues.



kernsfamily -> RE: Pull your kids from school because of funding??? (8/7/2008 9:24:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WesP

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ORIGINAL: earthless

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ORIGINAL: WesP
He is home schooled now.


Many in the House and Senate want to:

a) ban home schooling'

b) have home school kids education/degrees worthless if they wanted to work for any local, city, county, state government or be accredited by the state for attorneys, teachers, etc..

c) make it a law where only a state certified teacher can home school their kids


I know, but, for now, it is the best solution. All I can say is that I am totally in support of home schooling children. All 4 of mine are home schooled at this point. I am returning to school this month myself, and I think I will get a teaching certificate after graduation just to guarantee that they cannot stop me from teaching them.


I "support" it as well.....especially for those whose ONLY choice is homeschooling OR that situation in Chicago with so-called "schools"....

Prayerful consideration led us to OUR decision.....and, Iam sure if we lived THERE, we would have been led to select a different option that what we did.



upNORTder -> RE: Pull your kids from school because of funding??? (8/7/2008 10:27:56 AM)

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Living in Norwood Park I pay some of the highest property taxes in the city. How much do your "parishioners" pay in taxes? How much do the constituents that you pander to pay in taxes?

If you cannot carry your own weight how can you complain. Sure, some of the suburbs can spend more per student, they pay MORE IN PROPERTY TAXES.



Your rights in this country are not conditional on how much property or other taxes you pay.



earthless -> RE: Pull your kids from school because of funding??? (8/7/2008 10:43:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: upNORTder

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Living in Norwood Park I pay some of the highest property taxes in the city. How much do your "parishioners" pay in taxes? How much do the constituents that you pander to pay in taxes?

If you cannot carry your own weight how can you complain. Sure, some of the suburbs can spend more per student, they pay MORE IN PROPERTY TAXES.



Your rights in this country are not conditional on how much property or other taxes you pay.


And what rights are being infringed upon?

CPS is funded to the nines, the problem is not about money or lack thereof.



upNORTder -> RE: Pull your kids from school because of funding??? (8/7/2008 11:08:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: earthless

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ORIGINAL: upNORTder

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Living in Norwood Park I pay some of the highest property taxes in the city. How much do your "parishioners" pay in taxes? How much do the constituents that you pander to pay in taxes?

If you cannot carry your own weight how can you complain. Sure, some of the suburbs can spend more per student, they pay MORE IN PROPERTY TAXES.



Your rights in this country are not conditional on how much property or other taxes you pay.


And what rights are being infringed upon?

CPS is funded to the nines, the problem is not about money or lack thereof.




Maybe the right to COMPLAIN.



car2ner -> RE: Pull your kids from school because of funding??? (8/7/2008 11:15:28 AM)

It is sad to see that a number of schools in my county did not make AYP last year. They say part of the problem is the type of students they are teaching.. we have alot of transient and non-english speaking students. I don't think that throwing lots of money at this problem would fix anything. I don't think over burdening the school administration by trying to swap schools is going to fix anything.

BTW, my daughter went to a great elementary school. During her middle school years, she went to a great school, got redistricted (we did not move, they changed the lines) and went to an "o.k." school. They changed the lines again and that time I pulled her out and she home-schooled up through high-school. It is not the teachers that I find fault with but with the administration trying to deal with the shifting school populations. Pulling and swapping kids to prove a point will only confuse everything all the more.



earthless -> RE: Pull your kids from school because of funding??? (8/7/2008 11:16:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: upNORTder

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ORIGINAL: earthless

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ORIGINAL: upNORTder

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Living in Norwood Park I pay some of the highest property taxes in the city. How much do your "parishioners" pay in taxes? How much do the constituents that you pander to pay in taxes?

If you cannot carry your own weight how can you complain. Sure, some of the suburbs can spend more per student, they pay MORE IN PROPERTY TAXES.



Your rights in this country are not conditional on how much property or other taxes you pay.


And what rights are being infringed upon?

CPS is funded to the nines, the problem is not about money or lack thereof.




Maybe the right to COMPLAIN.


And complain they do....

Which reminds me of a post I shared yesterday, perhaps you missed it:

"It's all money. That is what is missing in the CPS system. Just give the board of ED more money and they will deliver highly educated people.

The good Rev. on TV told us so.

The really sad part is that many will keep peanut home on the first day of school believing this garbage.

This is the society that Democracts have given us. People have been taught that they get paid for doing nothing, that bad decisions have no consequences, and that if you whine and play the victim role, you will receive.

Now a select demographic believe that just pushing peanut out the door to school is edumacating them. No parental involvement, structure, or support required.

It's so ironic that this community doesn't understand that this is what the Democrats want. This is why they are referred to as "poverty pimps".

To keep them dependent and electing their providers, thus keeping those providers in power. With that power, comes all the contracts and jobs that they can pass out to their friends and supporters.

This current system is leading the U.S. to becoming insignificant in the world within 100 years. "



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