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manichunter -> Millennium Question (8/1/2008 1:42:22 AM)

Is the 1,000 Millennium a Sabbath rest?

It occurs on the seventh day. Mankind has been around for about six thousand years. A thousand years is as a day to the Lord and a thousand years is as a day. Hence, at His return at the end of the tribulation, He reigns in the seventh day. Everything comes to rest upon the King of king direct rule on the Earth. The whole swords turning into garden tools thing. Why would God not finish off the week by stopping at six days, and skipping seven? It seems like the book of Revelation is saying that God intends on having the seventh day which is the Sabbath day. He gave man six days by himself, now He truly abides with man on the seventh day.

Anyway, I just wanted to know others thoughts concerning this matter. I find it to be a sabbath rest for the Earth, the Saints that reign with Jesus, and those left upon the world. This adds creditabiltity to the arguement that the Sabbath as a day of congregational observance has not passed away or been abolished. It seems like mankind has to look forward to a 1,000 years of Sabbath. Hence it should not be anything wrong with it now, if it is okay in the millennial future kingdom of God upon the Earth.


What do others think the millennium is foreshadowed by? Is it not a Sabbath rest upon the Earth just before Eternity is kicked off at the end of this seventh day.




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Retrobyter -> RE: Millennium Question (8/2/2008 1:59:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: manichunter

Is the 1,000 Millennium a Sabbath rest?

It occurs on the seventh day. Mankind has been around for about six thousand years. A thousand years is as a day to the Lord and a thousand years is as a day. Hence, at His return at the end of the tribulation, He reigns in the seventh day. Everything comes to rest upon the King of king direct rule on the Earth. The whole swords turning into garden tools thing. Why would God not finish off the week by stopping at six days, and skipping seven? It seems like the book of Revelation is saying that God intends on having the seventh day which is the Sabbath day. He gave man six days by himself, now He truly abides with man on the seventh day.

Anyway, I just wanted to know others thoughts concerning this matter. I find it to be a sabbath rest for the Earth, the Saints that reign with Jesus, and those left upon the world. This adds creditabiltity to the arguement that the Sabbath as a day of congregational observance has not passed away or been abolished. It seems like mankind has to look forward to a 1,000 years of Sabbath. Hence it should not be anything wrong with it now, if it is okay in the millennial future kingdom of God upon the Earth.


What do others think the millennium is foreshadowed by? Is it not a Sabbath rest upon the Earth just before Eternity is kicked off at the end of this seventh day.


Shabbat shalom (a Sabbath peace) to you, manichunter.

While it may not be exactly 1000 years, I would tend to agree with you. It makes sense, and people have been speculating about it for years. It escalated after Ussher calculated that Adam was created in 4004 B.C. That was another source of turmoil about the year 2000.

We just need to be careful about such speculation and keep it in its place. After all, the Scriptures are basically silent about such a stance. Therefore, it should not be a fellowship-breaker.

When Shimown Kefa (Simon Peter) said,

2 Peter 3:8
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
KJV


he was quoting from the Psalms:

Ps 90:4
4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
KJV


He was not intending to make a simple equation; he was trying to convey to his readers that God is not bound by time constraints. Something that we imagine couldn't happen in a 1000 years, God could make happen in a single day! A good case in point would be the 1948 birth of Modern Isra'el.

On the other hand, God is ever aware of the past (and the future) as we are of yesterday (or tomorrow). God spans generations and remembers the prior deeds of one's ancestors long removed as though they were committed only yesterday! That is what Moshe (Moses) meant in Psalm 90!

One also should take heart from the next verse in Kefa's letter:

2 Peter 3:9
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
KJV


If it seems like God is slacking off or being lazy about getting the promise fulfilled, it merely SEEMS that way. There may be valid reasons for the "delay" such as making sure that no one perishes who can still be rescued. He would rather that "ALL should come to repentance!"

On a positive note, we should be encouraged that the Day of the Lord will be a single day that can (and will) stretch a thousand years. Yochanan (John) talks about the saints ruling and reigning with the Messiah Yeshua` for a thousand years while haSatan is incarcerated in the abussos (the Abyss, a pit with "no bottom")

How is this possible? Well, He IS the "Sun of Righteousness" (Mal. 4:2), and several places in Scriptures talk about Him actually glowing brighter than the Sun in its strength (e.g., Rev. 1:16). Therefore, I believe this is literal! When He arrives in His glory, the "Sun" will never set! Literally, there will be light in His presence--light as the glory of God coming from HIM--so bright that night will never come in His presence! It truly will be a SINGLE DAY for a thousand years, the last 1000 years of the Second Earth and its Sky. After haSatan is loosed for that "little season," darkness will be in the world again..., but only briefly!

After haSatan is defeated in the Fire and judged and sentenced to the Lake of Fire and Sulfur, and everyone who chose to follow him goes with him, then will come the New Day! The Eighth Day, eight being the number of "new beginnings" in gematria, now being in the New Earth with its New Sky reformed out of the ashes of the Second Earth and the Second Sky--a Third Earth and its Third Sky (the Third Sky or "heaven" to which Paul was snatched away)--will last into the "Ages of the Ages" which we have translated into English as "forever and ever."

Yes, there will be a Millennium and it is different than the Final State when Yerushalayim Chadashah (the New Jerusalem) descends to the Third Earth.

Retrobyter

P.S., By the way, movement in the above avatar is from left to right, not right to left.




FurGodWurLivin -> RE: Millennium Question (8/2/2008 4:15:52 AM)

It's an intriguing idea at the least... whether or not it is the actual reality, I don't know. The Bible doesn't say it is, so I wouldn't suggest forming solid doctrine around it. Just keep it in mind, and maybe when it happens we will find out if it was the case or not.

Adam




manichunter -> RE: Millennium Question (8/4/2008 2:34:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Retrobyter

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ORIGINAL: manichunter


P.S., By the way, movement in the above avatar is from left to right, not right to left.



What do you mean about Avatar movement.




DaveW -> RE: Millennium Question (8/5/2008 3:07:13 PM)

While I can see the symbolism, there is not enough information in scripture to say for sure.

There will be a rest from temptation (ha satan bound 1000 years) so perhaps it is. All I know is it will be good.




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