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jcd777 -> Genesis Chapts 1, & 2 Questions (8/1/2008 12:05:48 AM)

A few questions on Chapters 1 & 2 of Genesis.

1. Genesis 1:26
Who is us? And our?
2. Genesis 2:3
What day is considered the 7th day? How do we confirm this is the 7th day?
What should be done on this day, be it that it is marked as holy?
3. Genesis 2:16 – 17
What do they mean by die?
4. Genesis 2:18
Why has the helper role changed so much?
5. Genesis 2:21 – 25
Why the ribs?
Is a man not to leave his mother and/or father only until he is to be united to his wife?

Thanks,

jcd




MrFribbles -> RE: Genesis Chapts 1, & 2 Questions (8/1/2008 12:16:24 AM)

All I can say is... There are a wide variety of different answers to each question (except possibly the "die" one), and each of them have legitimate backings to them.




LCannon -> RE: Genesis Chapts 1, & 2 Questions (8/1/2008 12:38:35 AM)

1. You are Jehovah, the Eternal God, his Son is the God of Redemption and the Holy Spirit is the God of Conviction.
2. " One day after we had played three sets of tennis, we sat down on the bench, and we began to have what you would call a religious argument. He looked at me and said, “McGee, do you keep the Sabbath day?”
“Yes, I keep the Sabbath.”
He looked at me real hard and said, “What day?”
I said to him, “Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and then I start all over again on Saturday.”
He said to me, “What in the world do you mean?”
“Well, the way I understand the Epistle to the Hebrews, the Sabbath day is now this day of grace in which we live, and Christ, after He died on the cross and came back to life, went back to the right hand of the Father and sat down. He sat down, not because He was tired, but because He had finished your redemption and mine. So now He tells me, ‘You rest in Me.’ I have a Sabbath day everyday—I rest in Christ.”
That doctor friend looked at me in amazement. “Well,” he said, “that’s better than having just one day, isn’t it?”
I said, “It sure is. Seven days a week is a sabbath of resting in Christ.”(McGee, J. V. Thru the Bible (electronic ed.)
3. Failure to appropriate another's sacrifice for your personal arrogance in unbelief.
4. Loneliness.
5. Because neither Eve was to dominate or grovel but be an equal partner to Adam.




DougHorton -> RE: Genesis Chapts 1, & 2 Questions (8/1/2008 2:09:31 PM)

1. God. We are not made in anybody else's image.

2. Saturday. Whether this is exactly the same day from Genesis 1 until today is unimportant. By the time of Moses, the day we call Saturday was the 7th day of the week and the Jews have maintained the weekly calendar ever since.

3. It's plain English. It means to be dead.

4. I didn't know it had changed.

5. Not the head, because then woman would be superior to man. Not from the feet, then woman would be inferior to man. But from the ribs so woman would be equal to man and under the protection of his arms.

6. A man can leave whenever he wants. The point being made is in response to common Middle Eastern culture that the woman was to leave her family and become subservient in the family of her husband. Moses was turning that upside down and saying the wife was to have her own home and be queen there. You had better not cross a Jewish mother even today!




Lapidoth -> RE: Genesis Chapts 1, & 2 Questions (8/1/2008 2:40:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jcd777

A few questions on Chapters 1 & 2 of Genesis.

1. Genesis 1:26
Who is us? And our?
This speaks of the Creator; Hebrew is 'elohim'
2. Genesis 2:3
What day is considered the 7th day? How do we confirm this is the 7th day?
What should be done on this day, be it that it is marked as holy?
The 7th day was, is, and always will be the 7th day of the week.
Just look at any calendar.

3. Genesis 2:16 – 17
What do they mean by die?
In the day you eat you shall die. A day with the Lord is as a thousand
years. Adam died at 930, within the millennial day. He died spiritually
the same day he rebelled (disobeyed).

4. Genesis 2:18
Why has the helper role changed so much?
the role hasn't changed. Man has changed.
5. Genesis 2:21 – 25
Why the ribs?
The meaning is actually "side" --- blood, tissue, and bone was used
to "form" the woman.

Is a man not to leave his mother and/or father only until he is to be united to his wife?
The allegience changes when one gets married.

Thanks,

jcd




MrFribbles -> RE: Genesis Chapts 1, & 2 Questions (8/1/2008 6:10:43 PM)

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You are Jehovah, the Eternal God, his Son is the God of Redemption and the Holy Spirit is the God of Conviction.


Just to clarify, are you suggesting Christ and the Spirit aren't eternal?




Okami -> RE: Genesis Chapts 1, & 2 Questions (8/7/2008 1:03:53 AM)

1. Genesis 1:26
Who is us? And our?

The Trinity. Possibly the angels too, but the word used is "Elohim", a plural form referencing God only in Genesis 1 and 2, after which is YHWH, the name Moses was told. It's a popular subject for those that believe God dictated word for word the first two chapters, and then let Moses write the rest.

2. Genesis 2:3
What day is considered the 7th day? How do we confirm this is the 7th day?
What should be done on this day, be it that it is marked as holy?

Saturday. Lots and lots of discussion, usually bringing arguments. The word for "Holy" basically means "set aside for special purpose". Jesus said the Sabbath was created for man, not God. It is a day of Rest. The aspostles started gathering on Sunday instead because of the resurrection, and has stuck ever since. Check out the many threads on "keep the law" "keep the sabbath" and such.

3. Genesis 2:16 – 17
What do they mean by die?

Spiritual death, a disconnection from God, but also physical (not immediate), since there was no death before sin entered the world.

4. Genesis 2:18
Why has the helper role changed so much?

Heh, talk about a can of worms. Many would say it is a slow purposeful change of roles to further distort God's plan.
I don't really dwell on it much.

5. Genesis 2:21 – 25
Why the ribs?
Is a man not to leave his mother and/or father only until he is to be united to his wife?

"ribs" is just something the translators chose to put use. The word it was translated from covers just about anything from the side, be it blood, muscle, bone, organ, whatever. But, since men are short one rib on their left side....

Not that people should stay with their parents, but they are to no longer rely on them for as much as they have. Be it growth, physically and spiritually, life, neccessities, etc... The word for "cleaving" is like taking 2 pieces of clay, molding them together into one inseperable piece. They become one, relying on eachother instead of their parents.




ta_mosquito -> RE: Genesis Chapts 1, & 2 Questions (8/7/2008 10:04:58 AM)

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But, since men are short one rib on their left side....

Actually, they're not. In a way it would be nice if they were, though. [;)]




cow451 -> RE: Genesis Chapts 1, & 2 Questions (8/7/2008 10:43:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ta_mosquito

quote:

But, since men are short one rib on their left side....

Actually, they're not. In a way it would be nice if they were, though. [;)]


It's amazing how many Christians still believe the "missing rib" myth. [sm=smilecrossbone.gif]




DougHorton -> RE: Genesis Chapts 1, & 2 Questions (8/7/2008 12:02:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cow451

quote:

ORIGINAL: ta_mosquito

quote:

But, since men are short one rib on their left side....

Actually, they're not. In a way it would be nice if they were, though. [;)]


It's amazing how many Christians still believe the "missing rib" myth. [sm=smilecrossbone.gif]


I don't think that myth would last long if we took the same attitude toward the sin of gluttony that we take toward the sin of homosexuality. [:)]




ta_mosquito -> RE: Genesis Chapts 1, & 2 Questions (8/7/2008 12:05:03 PM)

Huh?

What, so everyone would be thin and we could count each other's ribs?




DougHorton -> RE: Genesis Chapts 1, & 2 Questions (8/7/2008 12:08:18 PM)

LOL. Well, I suggest we still wear shirts!

But at least we could count our own ribs. (It's been a while since I could!) [:(]




Okami -> RE: Genesis Chapts 1, & 2 Questions (8/8/2008 12:56:37 AM)

I know, I know,
sarcasm doesn't translate well in text.

If one person , ie; Adam, had a rib taken out, there is no reason to assume kids from future generations would be born without one.




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