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RE: DID Jesus claim to be GOD. - 8/7/2008 9:22:39 AM
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lhayeng
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Well other than the woman who quoted John 10:30 Where Jesus says "I and the father are one" I don't recall any of the other three gospels making the same statement in their books. The answer to the question is really quite a simple one.Just stay in the book of John and read the first verse of the first chapter. "In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was with God and the Word was God" this single verse verifies the fact that Jesus was indeed God. Jesus is most often referred to as the Word. So, in the beginning was the Word,..(Jesus Christ was there in the beginning of creation) ,..and the Word was with God,..( I interpret this to be the Holy Spirit),...and the Word was God. ( Jesus was in fact God ) If you leave this verse open for interpretation it may actually state that Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit are indeed one entity. Why did Jesus cry out during his crucifixion (God,..why have you forsaken me?) Because God had to leave Jesus body so that he would die as a man. Forsaken means "left". So while there is little information found in the four Gospels. John, (Jesus' favorite disciple and the only disciple to follow Jesus to the cross along with Mary Magdelene and his mother Mary) makes it a point to mention it in two separate verses. Luke writes in his gospel the crying out of "My God, My God why have you forsaken me?" if you are familiar with the "Father of all lies" the devil, you will see in the book of Revelations, Satan makes every attempt to mimic the Holy Trinity by the use of three separate entities himself. There is Satan, the Anti-Christ and the Beast. Satan's lame effort to mimic the Trinity. Satan constantly mimics the miracles of Christ. In Revelation again the Anti-Christ is said to suffer a fatal wound. Dying is a better way of saying it, then the Anti-Christ comes back to life. He mimics the Resurrection of Christ. From all of this material I can come to one conclusion. Jesus Christ was involved with man's creation. He was with God. (pertaining to the Holy Spirit). and the Word was God. Can't be any more to the point than that. JESUS CHRIST WAS GOD. The Title of the first chapter of John states "The Word became Flesh"
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RE: DID Jesus claim to be GOD. - 8/13/2008 2:49:45 AM
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Ezra
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Why did Jesus cry out during his crucifixion (God,..why have you forsaken me?) Because God had to leave Jesus body so that he would die as a man. Forsaken means "left".
While you have made some good observations, this statement is incorrect and has no support in Scripture. Jesus was fully God and fully sinless Man in His life on earth, in His death, burial, resurrection, ascension and exaltation. There was never a time when "God had to leave Jesus' body".
So what does "forsaken" really means? It means that Christ suffered the full penalty for sin when the Father made His soul "an offering for sin" (Isa. 53:10) and saw "the travail of His soul" (Isa. 53:11). This was when Christ "poured out His soul unto death" (Isa. 53:12). At the same time Scripture says "God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself" (2 Cor. 5:19). That should make it quite clear that God never left the body of Jesus, nor was Jesus merely a Man while He suffered and died.
We will never fully grasp how the Father "forsook" the Son other than knowing that He poured out His wrath upon the holy soul of Christ for our sins. But Jesus remained fully God while He suffered as sinless Man.
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