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Evangel70 -> What I Wish I Knew About Obama (7/31/2008 12:30:03 PM)

Many people have been complaining that they don't know much about Obama. What is it that you wish you know about Obama that you know about McCain or any other political candidate that would help you make an informed voting decision?



SuspenseWriter -> RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama (7/31/2008 1:29:17 PM)

I know he's for gay "marraige."

I know he's for unlimited abortion zero through nine months and beyond.

I know he'd like to raise the inheritance tax, so I'll be able to leave less to my children.

I know he's for every bat-brained piece of social engineering the Dems can come up.

And since the above goes against what I as a blood-bought, Bible-believing Christian man acknowledge, that's all I need to know. And all of Obama's slick rhetoric and fawning media and throngs of shrieking, weeping women doesn't change that.

But thanks for asking.



rcjames -> RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama (7/31/2008 1:37:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SuspenseWriter

I know he's for gay "marraige."

I know he's for unlimited abortion zero through nine months and beyond.

I know he'd like to raise the inheritance tax, so I'll be able to leave less to my children.

I know he's for every bat-brained piece of social engineering the Dems can come up.

And since the above goes against what I as a blood-bought, Bible-believing Christian man acknowledge, that's all I need to know. And all of Obama's slick rhetoric and fawning media and throngs of shrieking, weeping women doesn't change that.

But thanks for asking.


Good post.

Thanks
RC



todd_t -> RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama (7/31/2008 1:41:42 PM)

Don't forget that Obama eats kittens for breakfast, and begins each morning by compiling a list titled "Why I Hate America."



SuspenseWriter -> RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama (7/31/2008 1:44:26 PM)

Sarcasm doesn't avail you, Todd. Can you refute any of the above? Better said, can Obama?



todd_t -> RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama (7/31/2008 1:46:34 PM)

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Sarcasm doesn't avail you, Todd.


On the contrary, sarcasm always avails me.

I also find it an invaluable tool for cutting down ridiculously, over-the-top political rhetoric.



its_GO_time -> RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama (7/31/2008 2:11:23 PM)

My comments in italics
He wants a tax to go to the UN, for the poor(like Kofi Anan, and the Oil for food program?)
He will not drill for oil in the states, but wants to go after speculators, push for more efficent cars, and alternative fuel vehicles(per his TV ad).
So what's the low income folks, and those who cannot afford a $30,000 car, to do in the meantime? will there be a "coupon" for $25,000 issued to us, like the DTV program?



Evangel70 -> RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama (7/31/2008 2:38:45 PM)

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I know he's for gay "marraige."


Actually he, like McCain is against gay marriage but, like McCain, would support civil unions.

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I know he's for unlimited abortion zero through nine months and beyond.


While I do know that Obama voted against the partial birth ban because it had no provision for the life of the mother, you're claiming now he's killing live babies (9 months and beyond)? [sm=icon_smile_yikes.gif] How does he squeeze in the massive baby massacres in between his already busy campaign schedule?

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I know he's for every bat-brained piece of social engineering the Dems can come up.


Can you provide any links to where Obama has personally stated that he will do away with our capitalistic system or government and replace it with socialism. I'd be interested to hear how he plans on pulling that one off.

It's one thing not to like the man's politics or his vision for the country, but why go to the trouble of making stuff up?



Evangel70 -> RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama (7/31/2008 2:49:59 PM)

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He will not drill for oil in the states, but wants to go after speculators, push for more efficent cars, and alternative fuel vehicles(per his TV ad).
So what's the low income folks, and those who cannot afford a $30,000 car, to do in the meantime? will there be a "coupon" for $25,000 issued to us, like the DTV program?


I would agree that we should force the oil companies to drill on the thousands of acres of leased lands they ALREADY have instead of spending their billions of dollars of profits on lining the pockets of oil executives. I also agree that we are too adicted to oil and should look for alternative sources of energy for the long haul. If McCain and Bush are all for building the first nuclear plants in Arizona and Texas, I'm all for giving nuclear power a second look. Right now, I'm on the fence about that.

Economic analysts as well as oil manufacturers ALL agree that even if we start drilling tomorrow, we will not see ANY effect on gas prices for 3-5 years (and some analysts predict no measureable effect for about 20 years). Despite the political posturing, there is NOTHING politicians can do at this point to help us with gas prices tomorrow.



SuspenseWriter -> RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama (7/31/2008 2:58:58 PM)

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I know he's for unlimited abortion zero through nine months and beyond.


While I do know that Obama voted against the partial birth ban because it had no provision for the life of the mother, you're claiming now he's killing live babies (9 months and beyond)?




He voted against the Live Birth Act. Look it up, hon. He's your guy.



Jhud -> RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama (7/31/2008 3:01:51 PM)

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I would agree that we should force the oil companies to drill on the thousands of acres of leased lands they ALREADY have instead of spending their billions of dollars of profits on lining the pockets of oil executives. I also agree that we are too adicted to oil and should look for alternative sources of energy for the long haul. If McCain and Bush are all for building the first nuclear plants in Arizona and Texas, I'm all for giving nuclear power a second look. Right now, I'm on the fence about that.

Economic analysts as well as oil manufacturers ALL agree that even if we start drilling tomorrow, we will not see ANY effect on gas prices for 3-5 years (and some analysts predict no measureable effect for about 20 years). Despite the political posturing, there is NOTHING politicians can do at this point to help us with gas prices tomorrow.


I think be oil speculation is a large part of what drives up the price of oil, the fact that that such supplies may only be avaiable in the future mkes no difference - because the future is what speculators are considering.



todd_t -> RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama (7/31/2008 3:06:07 PM)

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I think be oil speculation is a large part of what drives up the price of oil, the fact that that such supplies may only be avaiable in the future mkes no difference - because the future is what speculators are considering.


This must be a record: Jack and I agreed on two things in the space of a week.



cog41 -> RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama (7/31/2008 3:53:39 PM)

I know enough to know he needs to be defeated.



Leon_Figg3 -> RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama (7/31/2008 4:23:25 PM)

Right now the biggest and most important question I have for Obama is-precisely is he going to get all the money that will be needed for all the social programs already in place, plus the ones he wants to see, and keep America safe and secure, all at the same time.

So far the closest thing to an answer, to this kind of question, he has ever provided, is that he will pull most of our troops out of Iraq and use some of them for a massive man-hunt and war in Pakistan.

I am not an economic expert, but even I can tell that the savings from ending our involvement in Iraq will not come anywhere to financing everything he says it will especially in this economic down-turn we seem to be in.



inthysite -> RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama (7/31/2008 4:29:19 PM)

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Can you provide any links to where Obama has personally stated that he will do away with our capitalistic system or government and replace it with socialism. I'd be interested to hear how he plans on pulling that one off.


One step at a time. Just take a look at his healthcare plan.

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I would agree that we should force the oil companies to drill on the thousands of acres of leased lands they ALREADY have instead of spending their billions of dollars of profits on lining the pockets of oil executives. I also agree that we are too adicted to oil and should look for alternative sources of energy for the long haul. If McCain and Bush are all for building the first nuclear plants in Arizona and Texas, I'm all for giving nuclear power a second look. Right now, I'm on the fence about that.


Ah more liberal spin and talking points. There are several errors in your statement.
1.The oil companies are currently drilling on some of this land
2.Not all of the land they have leases for contain oil, no need drilling where they know there isn't any oil.
3.Other parts of the land they have leases on are being blocked by environmentalists, keeping them from drilling.

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Economic analysts as well as oil manufacturers ALL agree that even if we start drilling tomorrow, we will not see ANY effect on gas prices for 3-5 years (and some analysts predict no measureable effect for about 20 years).


Strange, just a month or two ago it was 10 years. Seems to be getting closer every day.

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Despite the political posturing, there is NOTHING politicians can do at this point to help us with gas prices tomorrow.


Okay, when will NObama's new technology be available? What about the infrastructure required to support this new technology? The increase in gas prices have hurt the smaller gas stations because their pumps could not handle a price over $3.99 and they couldn't afford the thousands of dollars it would cost to replace those pumps. How are they going to be able to afford a complete change over to new technology. Is this going to happen in the next couple of years?

It takes about 9 years to replace half the cars on the road with newer models. The average American who can afford to purchase new vehicles usually keep their cars for 6-8 years. The rest of us middle to lower class usually buy used vehicles. So we are still going to need to use gasoline for the foreseeable future.

I firmly believe in the "all of the above" solution. Look everywhere to solve this problem. Sure drilling alone won't solve it but it is part of the solution.

And if you want to talk about political posturing, what about Nancy Pelosi? She won't even allow an up or down vote on drilling. How outrageous is that? She works for us and she won't even let our voices be heard! This from someone who campaigned on being bipartisan and bringing the country together.



inthysite -> RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama (7/31/2008 4:35:18 PM)

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I am not an economic expert, but even I can tell that the savings from ending our involvement in Iraq will not come anywhere to financing everything he says it will especially in this economic down-turn we seem to be in.


Well especially if you listen to the liberals.

For one they complain about the cost of the war and that we have had to borrow from China to pay for it.

But then they say that if we end the war we could apply that money to our economic problems. What money? If we are borrowing from China to pay for the war then when we end the war we stop borrowing, thus no extra money is coming in, just less debt building up. Add to that the fact that we should pay back the money we owe before spending more money.

If I owe $20,000 in credit card debt and I get a bonus at work of $10,000 which would be smarter, buy a new car, pay off credit cards?



todd_t -> RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama (7/31/2008 5:40:39 PM)

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If we are borrowing from China to pay for the war then when we end the war we stop borrowing, thus no extra money is coming in, just less debt building up.


Which will inevitably lead to tax hikes and/or cuts in government services.

But by the time that happens, George and Dick will have blissfully retired to their own private ranches to (respectively) shoot quail and close friends in the face as the nation struggles with the economic swamp they left behind.



Dubya -> RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama (8/1/2008 12:14:36 PM)

One thing that concerns me is what does Obama have against the American flag?

1. Why does he not wear a flag lapel pin?
2. Why does he not put his hand over his heart while the national anthem is played or the pledge of alliegence?
3. Why did he remove the American flag from the side of his campaign jet where he enters and exits the plane?

I am sure this has been discussed before so I expect many will answer this question.



todd_t -> RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama (8/1/2008 12:23:29 PM)

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One thing that concerns me is what does Obama have against the American flag?


You're joking, right?

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Why does [Obama] not wear a flag lapel pin?


During his overseas trip last week, I saw several shots of Obama wearing a flag pin - not that doing so is required. Sometimes he wears a pin, sometimes he doesn't. Besides, IMO, treating the US flag as a jingoistic idol is absurd.

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Why does [Obama] not put his hand over his heart while the national anthem is played or the pledge of alliegence?


I never do this, but I do remove my hat during the anthem. Does that make me an America-hater?

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Why did [Obama] remove the American flag from the side of his campaign jet where he enters and exits the plane?


Two words: who cares?



cow451 -> RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama (8/1/2008 12:33:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dubya

One thing that concerns me is what does Obama have against the American flag?

1. Why does he not wear a flag lapel pin?
2. Why does he not put his hand over his heart while the national anthem is played or the pledge of alliegence?
3. Why did he remove the American flag from the side of his campaign jet where he enters and exits the plane?

I am sure this has been discussed before so I expect many will answer this question.

1. Who cares?
2. At sporting events, most Americans don't, either. Most don't remove their hats. Some don't even shut up during the anthem.
3. Probably the same reason McCain's "Straight Talk" jet doesn't have the flag. LINK to a reliable source, not WorldNutDaily.

So instead of addressing his fiscal social and foreign policies, we spend time on the "patriotic" gestures that are often used as cover for decidedly un-American behavior.

I'd rather know if he can go eye-ball to eye-ball with the big leaguers like Putin. Wearing a $2 lapel pin won't help. I'd rather know if he can resist a spending spree if he gets elected with a Dem-controlled Congress.[:@]



Dubya -> RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama (8/1/2008 12:48:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: todd_t

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One thing that concerns me is what does Obama have against the American flag?


You're joking, right?

No I'm not. I think how a candidate feels about the country he wants to lead is important - to me at least. Also, please note that I was careful not to criticize his patriotism or anything of the sort. If he has addressed these questions I would like to understand his reasoning.
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Why does [Obama] not wear a flag lapel pin?


During his overseas trip last week, I saw several shots of Obama wearing a flag pin - not that doing so is required. Sometimes he wears a pin, sometimes he doesn't. Besides, IMO, treating the US flag as a jingoistic idol is absurd.

As I recall, during the campaign for the nomination, democrats brought up this question. All I am asking is what is his answer. You seem to imply that it is a "fashion statement" of some kind in which certain accessories are ok some times and not in other times. Is that Obama's stand?
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Why does [Obama] not put his hand over his heart while the national anthem is played or the pledge of alliegence?


I never do this, but I do remove my hat during the anthem. Does that make me an America-hater?

Obama doesn't wear a hat. And I never accused anyone of hating anything.
Again, my question centers on what I perceive to be a lack of respect for our national flag. For you to do as you please does not concern me at all - but for someone seeking to be the president of our naton... yes that matters!
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Why did [Obama] remove the American flag from the side of his campaign jet where he enters and exits the plane?


Two words: who cares?


Obama, as a U.S. Senator and presidential candidate was representing America as he was traveling abroad. This seems to be something new for representatives of the U.S traveling abroad. Removing the flag from his airplane seems to imply that he does not want to be identified with the U.S. while he was abroad. My only quesion is why?

Who cares? - Obviously you don't. But I think a large number of people do.



Dubya -> RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama (8/1/2008 12:59:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cow451

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ORIGINAL: Dubya

One thing that concerns me is what does Obama have against the American flag?

1. Why does he not wear a flag lapel pin?
2. Why does he not put his hand over his heart while the national anthem is played or the pledge of alliegence?
3. Why did he remove the American flag from the side of his campaign jet where he enters and exits the plane?

I am sure this has been discussed before so I expect many will answer this question.

1. Who cares?

I agree that it is not a real big deal - but I recall this issue brought up by democrats (Hillary campaign) during the nominatin process. I just wondered why.
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2. At sporting events, most Americans don't, either. Most don't remove their hats. Some don't even shut up during the anthem.

Obama is not a typical specator at a sporting event. He is the democrat nominee for the office of president. This certainly matters. I asked the question assuming there may be a reasonable explanation. Your answer may be a good one for why you or others don't salute the flag but it doesn't wash for a presidential candidate. Sorry.
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3. Probably the same reason McCain's "Straight Talk" jet doesn't have the flag. LINK to a reliable source, not WorldNutDaily.

Recheck your facts. The flag on McCain's jet is on the fusleage next to the aircraft numbers. It is also on both sides of the jet - not just the side where the cameras do not see.
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So instead of addressing his fiscal social and foreign policies, we spend time on the "patriotic" gestures that are often used as cover for decidedly un-American behavior.

I'd rather know if he can go eye-ball to eye-ball with the big leaguers like Putin. Wearing a $2 lapel pin won't help. I'd rather know if he can resist a spending spree if he gets elected with a Dem-controlled Congress.[:@]

I agree - but the OP reads "What I wish I knew about Obama".

Can he resist a spending spree? I think he has already indicated a lot of programs which would increase spending. For me, that question is answered. I think questions concerning his "patriotic" gestures are appropriate. I am not trying to be insulting... simply asking questions that trouble many of us.



todd_t -> RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama (8/1/2008 1:00:27 PM)

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I'd rather know if he can resist a spending spree if he gets elected with a Dem-controlled Congress.


It'd be hard for Obama to splurge on anything as president considering how much national debt he'd inherit from Bush/Cheney.

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Obama, as a U.S. Senator and presidential candidate was representing America as he was traveling abroad. This seems to be something new for representatives of the U.S traveling abroad. Removing the flag from his airplane seems to imply that he does not want to be identified with the U.S. while he was abroad. My only quesion is why?


Sorry, if I came back a bit strongly at you. I just don't see wrapping oneself in a flag as a requirement for being president.

I would much rather see a president (unlike our current one) who respects the constitution and the rule of law. Without such things, the flag is a meaningless strip of nylon.



Dubya -> RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama (8/1/2008 1:07:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: todd_t

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I'd rather know if he can resist a spending spree if he gets elected with a Dem-controlled Congress.


It'd be hard for Obama to splurge on anything as president considering how much national debt he'd inherit from Bush/Cheney.

Unfortunately it would not be hard at all - as all presidents (Rep and Dem) discover rather quickly.
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Obama, as a U.S. Senator and presidential candidate was representing America as he was traveling abroad. This seems to be something new for representatives of the U.S traveling abroad. Removing the flag from his airplane seems to imply that he does not want to be identified with the U.S. while he was abroad. My only quesion is why?


Sorry, if I came back a bit strongly at you. I just don't see wrapping oneself in a flag as a requirement for being president.

No offense taken.
I agree that wrapping oneself in the flag can be very deceiving... but I was never asking Obama to wrap himself in the flag. I was only asking for a reasonable explanation for what I, and many other Americans, may perceive as a slight against the flag. I would like to know why.
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I would much rather see a president (unlike our current one) who respects the constitution and the rule of law. Without such things, the flag is a meaningless strip of nylon.

I agree that respect for the Constitution is even more important although I will not go along with insulting the current president or any prior president. At this time, Bush, Clinton, Carter, Nixon, or any other president are not the issue. A lack of respect for an outward symbol, like the flag, may actually imply a disrespect for the Constitution - after all, the flag represents America, all of it, including the Constitution.



todd_t -> RE: What I Wish I Knew About Obama (8/1/2008 1:11:51 PM)

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A lack of respect for an outward symbol, like the flag, may actually imply a disrespect for the Constitution - after all, the flag represents America, all of it, including the Constitution.


Yet without reverence foremost for the constitution, all of the liberties (and the sacrifices made to preserve them) symbolized by the flag cease to exist.

Flags are a dime a dozen; the constitution which upholds them is singular.

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I agree that respect for the Constitution is even more important although I will not go along with insulting the current president or any prior president. At this time, Bush, Clinton, Carter, Nixon, or any other president are not the issue.


I disagree. The way each president regards (or disregards) the constitution reflects on our ability to respect our own rule of law as a nation.



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