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RE: How Stupid Are We? - 7/30/2008 9:25:55 PM
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Negative works. Plain and simple.
Who knows why Obama didn't go see the troops in Landstuhl? But after the McCain ad, and all the republican talking heads get through with him, many people will be convinced Obama hates the military laughs at wounded troops and therefore is unpatriotic and can't be trusted.
The new ad comparing Obama to Paris Hilton and Britney Spears, is even more biting. Basically, Obama is just a no-talented bimbo who's fooling people and if elected, he'll demonstrate the same irresponsible behavior that keeps Paris Hilton and Britney Spears in the tabloids.
McCain wants to win and he knows people are disenchanted with republicans but he also knows hard working white Americans - the majority of the electorate - fear the unknown. He's not going to confuse them with facts or outlining his policies on issues - all he needs to do is scare the living daylights out of people into thinking God will rain down fire and brimstone from heaven the moment Obama is elected.
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RE: How Stupid Are We? - 7/30/2008 9:47:04 PM
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Negative works. Plain and simple.
Who knows why Obama didn't go see the troops in Landstuhl? But after the McCain ad, and all the republican talking heads get through with him, many people will be convinced Obama hates the military laughs at wounded troops and therefore is unpatriotic and can't be trusted.
The new ad comparing Obama to Paris Hilton and Britney Spears, is even more biting. Basically, Obama is just a no-talented bimbo who's fooling people and if elected, he'll demonstrate the same irresponsible behavior that keeps Paris Hilton and Britney Spears in the tabloids.
McCain wants to win and he knows people are disenchanted with republicans but he also knows hard working white Americans - the majority of the electorate - fear the unknown. He's not going to confuse them with facts or outlining his policies on issues - all he needs to do is scare the living daylights out of people into thinking God will rain down fire and brimstone from heaven the moment Obama is elected.
First off, as 'positive' as Obama's ads are said to be, they certainly aren't paragons of detail and specificity - so claiming McCain is somehow less detailed in this respect simply isn't true.
And the reality is, for better or worse, Obama and the media have made his celebrity status a centerpiece of this campaign. If Obama wants to run on being popular with throngs of German youth, that's great - but that then becomes the issue. Fact is until we get these two in a room (something Obama will avoid as much as possible because he is the frontrunner) there will be no substance. And even then, it may not happen.
Personally, I find this to be the most accurate campaign commercial so far.
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RE: How Stupid Are We? - 7/30/2008 9:50:45 PM
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"Who can teach the world to sing?"
"Who can make the seas to stop their rise"
"Who can feed the entire World"
Nobody but Obama
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RE: How Stupid Are We? - 7/30/2008 9:58:55 PM
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Personally, I find this to be the most accurate campaign commercial so far.
Quoted for truth. Great stuff.
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RE: How Stupid Are We? - 7/30/2008 10:10:30 PM
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John McCain isn't worried about a thing.
He knows he can do anything he wants, say anything he wants, pick whoever he wants as vice president, make any gaffe, blooper, etc., and all he has to do is point fingers at the big scary uppity black buffoon who hates everything good and pure and who will wreak havoc on the peace, well-being and on the traditions of this great country. Good hard-working white Christian Americans will be afraid. They will be very, very very afraid.
And Obama? He can do nothing. Attack McCain? The big scary black guy is attacking the old decent hard working Christian American war hero. Call the police. Sick the dogs on him.
And when McCain wins, and he will win in the biggest landslide in American history, it won't matter what happens to this country, people won't care. The bottom line will be that McCain saved good hard working white Christian Americans from the most evil man who ever walked the earth. And for that, good hard working white Christian Americans will be eternally grateful.
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RE: How Stupid Are We? - 7/30/2008 10:24:23 PM
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Good hard-working white Christian Americans will be afraid. They will be very, very very afraid
His race has NOTHING to do with the race. His associations, prima-donna attitude, and beliefs has EVERYTHING to do with the race.
One can't criticize the candy man without being labeled as a racisit. I would rather see someone like Thomas Sewell than this man
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RE: How Stupid Are We? - 7/30/2008 10:26:57 PM
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Good hard-working white Christian Americans will be afraid. They will be very, very very afraid
His race has NOTHING to do with the race. His associations, prima-donna attitude, and beliefs has EVERYTHING to do with the race.
One can't criticize the candy man without being labeled as a racisit. I would rather see someone like Thomas Sewell than this man
His race may not have a lot to do with anything but people do use his name as a weapon of fear and that's a kind of racism by itself.
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RE: How Stupid Are We? - 7/30/2008 10:44:46 PM
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His race may not have a lot to do with anything but people do use his name as a weapon of fear and that's a kind of racism by itself.
So, we can't mention his name? I am more concerned about his Marxist beliefs and his global poverty act which would make the US subserviant to the UN.
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RE: How Stupid Are We? - 7/30/2008 10:54:05 PM
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John McCain isn't worried about a thing.
He knows he can do anything he wants, say anything he wants, pick whoever he wants as vice president, make any gaffe, blooper, etc., and all he has to do is point fingers at the big scary uppity black buffoon who hates everything good and pure and who will wreak havoc on the peace, well-being and on the traditions of this great country. Good hard-working white Christian Americans will be afraid. They will be very, very very afraid.
And Obama? He can do nothing. Attack McCain? The big scary black guy is attacking the old decent hard working Christian American war hero. Call the police. Sick the dogs on him.
And when McCain wins, and he will win in the biggest landslide in American history, it won't matter what happens to this country, people won't care. The bottom line will be that McCain saved good hard working white Christian Americans from the most evil man who ever walked the earth. And for that, good hard working white Christian Americans will be eternally grateful.
- Julius
This is exactly what everyone is talking about. Talk about anything regarding NObama and you are called a racists.
With Obama we started out, we couldn't talk about his big ears 'cause that made him nervous, and when he gets nervous he can't read the teleprompter.
We've gone from that to this: Not only can we not mention his ears...
We can't talk about his mother.
We can't talk about his father.
We can't talk about his grandmother unless he does, and brings her up as a "typical white person."
We can't talk about his wife,
(If by "my wife" he means the shrill, dumb, trash-talking, bitter American hating female race hustler he might live with on his days off.)
We can't talk about his preacher (If by "my preacher" he means that blustering, conniving, ranting, spuming America-hating American-made millionaire that's spent decades ripping off the poor and credulous people of his parish.)
We can't talk about his terrorist friends, (If by "terrorists" you mean any of the bomb-making, baby-killing, homicidal religious maniacs in Gaza, Lebanon, or Iran with 'legitimate grievances.'")
We can't talk about his voting record (If by "voting record" you mean a record so vacant of actual positions, actual yes or no votes, that it would be a discussion that takes less time to sum up than this sentence takes to read.)
We can't talk about his religion, (If by his religion you mean a set of "theological" assumptions and rhetorical ****ola that only the dead would think had the least thing to do with Christianity, and a lot to do with personal enrichment and power.).
We can't talk about appeasement because only Obama knows how to talk to troublemakers which is why crime in his home-base around Chicago is now nonexistent.
We can't talk about color; we can't talk about lack of color, because in the realm of the rainbow there is no color, only the clear blinding light of his innate radiance.
We can't talk about race because, well, really Obama has no race except when he does, and that's not for us to say, only Obama, only late at night, and only when meeting with white people, black people, or muslims privately at which time, like the Grand Chameleon, Obama assumes whatever race best suits his needs.
We can't talk about the bombers and mobsters who are his friends. They might still hold a mortgage and they certainly hold his markers. Besides Bill Ayers feels he still "hasn't done enough" and may have a bomb with your home address on it.
We can't talk about his schooling because he's proved "too cool for school."
We can't talk about his name, "Hussein."
"What did you say?"
"I said, we can't say 'Hussai.....'" BLAM!
We can't talk about his lack of experience in everything except a cult of personality that fits in better with the Politburo than with the Congress.
We can't talk about his income. Or his wife's income. Or their joint income. Or what might be left over in their campaign coffers when his fleecing of the rich, the white, the young, and the guilty is complete.
We can't talk about his flag pin and sing, "First there is no mountain, than there is a mountain, then there...."
We can't talk about his ignorance of American geography because he's tired.
We can't talk about his ignorance of recent American history because he's weary.
Above all, we can't say that he is a liberal, but it is still okay to say, for at least 48 hours more, that he's like JFK with a tan and stick-out ears. (Strike that last thing about the ears because, remember....)
It started out we just couldn't talk about his ears.
Now we can't say anything about him.
So just shut up.
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RE: How Stupid Are We? - 7/30/2008 11:31:28 PM
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His race may not have a lot to do with anything but people do use his name as a weapon of fear and that's a kind of racism by itself.
So, we can't mention his name? I am more concerned about his Marxist beliefs and his global poverty act which would make the US subserviant to the UN.
That's not what I said and I'd like to think you know that.
I said that there were people who used his name a weapon. Trying to imply things that aren't true without really saying the lie. Language manipulation is the oldest trick in the book and I can see it a mile off. It's that kind of usage, that I mention earlier, that's racist.
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RE: How Stupid Are We? - 7/30/2008 11:46:56 PM
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Language manipulation is the oldest trick in the book and I can see it a mile off. It's that kind of usage, that I mention earlier, that's racist.
The Candy Man started the race playing down the race card saying he transended race. Now he is saying any criticism of him is racist. Most the criticism comes from people who are trying to get people to see for what he reallly is,; a marxist in an empty suit.
And just how is using Barry's middle name in the context of a sentence, racist? It IS his middle name.
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RE: How Stupid Are We? - 7/31/2008 12:02:00 AM
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And just how is using Barry's middle name in the context of a sentence, racist? It IS his middle name.
It isn't race motivated but it is trying to make a point that has never been shown to have a basis in fact. Namely that he is some sort of Muslim or terrorist or sympathizer. Why else would someone use his middle name constantly when they don't use McCain's middle name constantly (and certainly not as J. Sidney McCain) or Hillary's middle name (her maiden name comes up sometimes but not as H. Rodham-Clinton) or many people's middle names. And when these people do it, they do it every time and they don't do it with other people's names.
There is plenty to criticize about Obama (and McCain for that matter) there is no need to use the cheap shots, smears and lies that some people do. And if you don't want to see Obama elected you'll agree with this. The cheap shots just drive undecided voters to Obama and people start thinking that Obama and (more to the point) his followers have a point. Even when in the main they do not.
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RE: How Stupid Are We? - 7/31/2008 12:02:12 AM
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Language manipulation is the oldest trick in the book and I can see it a mile off. It's that kind of usage, that I mention earlier, that's racist.
The Candy Man started the race playing down the race card saying he transended race. Now he is saying any criticism of him is racist. Most the criticism comes from people who are trying to get people to see for what he reallly is,; a marxist in an empty suit.
And just how is using Barry's middle name in the context of a sentence, racist? It IS his middle name.
It's a psychological tactic. A pretty poor one too coming from professing Christians, but since you don't seem to get it I'll explain it. Again.
It's not that his middle name is used, it's that emphasis is put on it. In putting emphasis on it pundits like Ann Coulter, and other republican talking heads are trying to make a subtle, psychological connection to that other Hussein of recent memory. It's a way of trying to say he's a muslim without actually saying the lie. It's baring false witness and I'd like to think professing Christians would be against that kind of thing considering God makes it pretty clear that such behaviour is unacceptable.
Oh wait. Obama's a democrat. That means you can say or do anything you want to make sure he's defeated because only republicans are worthy of holding office. No matter how corrupt some of them are.
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RE: How Stupid Are We? - 7/31/2008 12:05:02 AM
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Negative works. Plain and simple.
Who knows why Obama didn't go see the troops in Landstuhl? But after the McCain ad, and all the republican talking heads get through with him, many people will be convinced Obama hates the military laughs at wounded troops and therefore is unpatriotic and can't be trusted.
The new ad comparing Obama to Paris Hilton and Britney Spears, is even more biting. Basically, Obama is just a no-talented bimbo who's fooling people and if elected, he'll demonstrate the same irresponsible behavior that keeps Paris Hilton and Britney Spears in the tabloids.
McCain wants to win and he knows people are disenchanted with republicans but he also knows hard working white Americans - the majority of the electorate - fear the unknown. He's not going to confuse them with facts or outlining his policies on issues - all he needs to do is scare the living daylights out of people into thinking God will rain down fire and brimstone from heaven the moment Obama is elected.
-Julius
Great stuff... I'll be laughing till about lunch tomorrow...
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RE: How Stupid Are We? - 7/31/2008 12:09:25 AM
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Language manipulation is the oldest trick in the book and I can see it a mile off. It's that kind of usage, that I mention earlier, that's racist.
The Candy Man started the race playing down the race card saying he transended race. Now he is saying any criticism of him is racist. Most the criticism comes from people who are trying to get people to see for what he reallly is,; a marxist in an empty suit.
And just how is using Barry's middle name in the context of a sentence, racist? It IS his middle name.
It's a psychological tactic. A pretty poor one too coming from professing Christians, but since you don't seem to get it I'll explain it. Again.
It's not that his middle name is used, it's that emphasis is put on it. In putting emphasis on it pundits like Ann Coulter, and other republican talking heads are trying to make a subtle, psychological connection to that other Hussein of recent memory. It's a way of trying to say he's a muslim without actually saying the lie. It's baring false witness and I'd like to think professing Christians would be against that kind of thing considering God makes it pretty clear that such behaviour is unacceptable.
Oh wait. Obama's a democrat. That means you can say or do anything you want to make sure he's defeated because only republicans are worthy of holding office. No matter how corrupt some of them are.
What's next black unmarked helicopters flying over repeating Obama's middle name?
Anyone who believes Obama is a Muslims is probably to stupid to figure out the ballot... He's hardly a devout lazy Christian, let alone a Muslim...
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RE: How Stupid Are We? - 7/31/2008 1:16:37 AM
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His race has NOTHING to do with the race.
You and I wish that were true. But we both know better, don't we?
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RE: How Stupid Are We? - 7/31/2008 1:24:32 AM
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Lets tone down the sarcasm.
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RE: How Stupid Are We? - 7/31/2008 1:40:12 AM
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This is exactly what everyone is talking about. Talk about anything regarding NObama and you are called a racists.
There's nothing racist about being afraid of a scary, uppity, unpatriotic black buffoon. Once that picture is set in everybody's mind, not even black folks will vote for him. Before November, Obama will be forced to disavow, rebuke, disown and say thumbs down to everything and everybody who claims to be black. He's already been forced to leave his church, denounce black comedians and rappers, attack black fathers as being irresponsible (he dare not say anything about good, decent, hard-working dead beat white fathers - that would be uppity, eh, I mean elitest). Has any other candidate in American history had their church scrutinzed? That in itself is unprecedented. But it started the ball rolling in painting the picture that would scare white voters into voting for McCain. It's working. I still predict Obama wins less than 10 states.
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RE: How Stupid Are We? - 7/31/2008 2:40:19 AM
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Before November, Obama will be forced to disavow, rebuke, disown and say thumbs down to everything and everybody who claims to be black.
Senator Obama is making strategic decisions that he feels will increase support among moderates. I don't believe he is being forced to do anything.
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Has any other candidate in American history had their church scrutinzed?
In my opinion because we don't really know much about Obama (compared to other political candidates) the Reverend Wright story was legitimate. However I think it was way overplayed on the 24 hour news networks (especially one in particular). Being that we only heard a couple of sound bites over and over I don't think Reverend Wright was talking down about America all the time. I don't think Obama agreed with Wright's views on America or attended the church because of those views (he probably rolled his eyes whenever Wright started talking bad about America while agreeing with some of it but thats just my feeling). However, he had to know of Wright's anti-Americanism. Obama went to Wright's church for 21 years and considered him a sort of spiritual father. So its a legitimate subject to bring up and if people feel uncomfortable voting for him on that basis then I understand it. But that won't influence my vote.
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Some of them need to be denounced. Not all, but some.
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attack black fathers as being irresponsible (he dare not say anything about good, decent, hard-working dead beat white fathers - that would be uppity, eh, I mean elitest)
Wasn't he speaking to a primarily black audience? In any case I think by your own posts we have established that black people like Obama more than white folk. So he is addressing the people who will actually listen to him on such a matter. If he made his speech to a white audience what sense would that make? Right now he is a leader in the black community. If he becomes president then he should address such a speech to all the people because he will be the president of all the people.
And I'll say it again, kudos to Obama for stepping up and telling it like it is. Its not an exclusively black problem but Obama is a black man who other black men will listen to. If a white guy said it to a black audience that audience would resent it (and I can kinda see why).
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But it started the ball rolling in painting the picture that would scare white voters into voting for McCain. It's working
I sincerely hope not. This campaign needs to be based on issues not skin color or other non relevant issues.
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RE: How Stupid Are We? - 7/31/2008 4:33:21 AM
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Senator Obama is making strategic decisions that he feels will increase support among moderates. I don't believe he is being forced to do anything.
IF he wants to win this election, he has to prove to white voters that he isn't going to favor blacks once elected. Unfortunately, I see some newly hired or promoted black supervisors go out of their way to prove they'll be "fair" and this often involves them unfairly treating black subordinates.
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In my opinion because we don't really know much about Obama (compared to other political candidates) the Reverend Wright story was legitimate.
I've applied for a number of jobs over my lifetime, and the interviewer didn't know much about me, but I've never been asked about the views of my pastor. Someone got hold of a tape from his church, figured a way to spin it in a way that white people would be frightened, and it worked. How many times have we heard, "Twenty years! Twenty years! How could he have stayed in that church for TWENTY YEARS!." Just like now we're hearing how he should be ashamed for not visiting our wounded warriors in Germany. I'm surprised he's lasted this long.
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Some of them need to be denounced. Not all, but some.
Yeah of course. Since we don't "know him", we must assume that he loves all the gangsta rappers until he proves to us otherwise, which means he will be provided a list of offensive black rappers, comedians, entertainers, athletes, and other vermin of color, and asked to denounce them all, one by one. If he refuses, since we don't "know him", we must assume he shares that rappers values concerning, i.e., treatment of women. Of course, it's up to Fox news and others on the right to decide if his rebuke is sincere or not , or just done for political expediency. And those vermin of color must also be sworn to silence during the Obama campaign so as not to create the impression that they endorse him, for then Obama would be forced to denounce that endorsement. Since we don't "know him."
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And I'll say it again, kudos to Obama for stepping up and telling it like it is. Its not an exclusively black problem but Obama is a black man who other black men will listen to. If a white guy said it to a black audience that audience would resent it (and I can kinda see why).
How do you think it would play had Obama spoke to a diverse audience or predominantly white audience about the responsibility of fathers? Has he ever done that? Its perfectly all right for him to chastise black people. But if he even hints at criticizing whites, or the country in general, he's considered uppity, eh..elitest. Yes, it's easy for someone to say kudos to Obama for chastising black people. Again, he wants it to appear he won't favor blacks when he's elected. How did people feel when he said we should learn a foreign language? If he said it was embarassing that black people didn't know a foreign language, people would have been saying "Kudos" for him standing up for education.
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I sincerely hope not. This campaign needs to be based on issues not skin color or other non relevant issues.
Sorry. We still don't "know him" yet.
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RE: How Stupid Are We? - 7/31/2008 11:11:07 AM
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saved9201;
You seem awful bitter about this whole deal.
Lets honestly look at a few things that you are complaining about, can we.
Most honest and intelligent people will admit that the POTUS is a very important job and that character, integrity and judgment play as important of a roll as do policies. So we look into everything that makes up a candidates background to determine some of this. Just look at some of the vetting process for president, they dig deep on these guys.
NObama has shown that at best his judgments are questionable, if you look at the people he choses to associate with, the wife he married, her views, the church he joined and it's views (Black Liberation Theology - look into it and it will tell you a lot about NObama's beliefs!)
These things all tell us about who NObama is which is necessary since we can't get a straight answer from the man. All we here is change, I'm here for change, I'm not the same as those politicians in Washington. But his actions show us there isn't much change at all and he is no different from any of the others up on the Hill.
Then there is the integrity issue. Everytime his judgment has been called into question we get at least 3 different explanations over the following week all contradictory. First we get the off the cuff, unprepared response from NObama, then we get the prepared speech from NOBbama, then we finally get a version that tries to explain why his responses didn't match up with what comes out after some research.
Let's look at a few of those shall we:
First Obama said that his association with Antoin "Tony" Rezko, who is currently facing federal charges of attempted extortion, money laundering, and fraud, wasn't a close association, which news reports later showed wasn't exactly the truth. Then further digging showed there was also more money that exchanged hands than previously admitted.
Then came a firestorm of publicity about another association of Obama's. This time it was his pastor of almost 20 years, Jeremiah Wright, someone that Barack Obama has described as "like a member of my family".
Barack Obama gave a speech shortly after that story broke, where he condemned Wright's words, yet did not condemn the man that said them. In that speech Obama also admitted to having heard controversial statements from his pastor, which he said he disagreed with, but just four days before, Obama said he had never heard those controversial statements.
Moving along to someone else that Barack Obama said was a spiritual adviser and/or guide, more news came out that Senator James Meeks, another pastor associated with Obama by his own statements, also had a video thrown out to the masses with the same type of speech as Wright.
Which brings us to another association of Obama's, which has recently come to light and that is a man named, Sam Graham-Felsen.
Sam Graham-Felsen, a journalist-on-leave from The Nation, joined Obama for America in March 2007 where he works for the New Media department as the official blogger, daily presenting the campaign's public face. Now he's under fire for his reputed Marxist sympathies from bloggers at Common Ills on the left and Little Green Footballs on the right.
Graham-Felsen, according to a 2003 article in the Harvard Crimson, adorned one corner of his shared student apartment with "a Communist Party flag ... bought on their trip to Russia the summer after sophomore year."
According to Huffington Post, who listed information about paid staffers on the Obama payroll, from America campaign 2007 second quarter report, Graham-Felsen is a paid staffer for Barack Obama.Growing List Of Barack Obama's Questionable Associations
These are just a few, I could go on.
As to the race issue, well NObama has brought that up more times than I can mention. Do we all remember this famous quote:
“We know what kind of campaign they’re going to run,” said the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee. “They’re going to try to make you afraid. They’re going to try to make you afraid of me. ‘He’s young and inexperienced and he’s got a funny name. And did I mention he’s black?’"
Obama: 'They're going to try to make you afraid of me'
NObama gets away with more than any other politician I have seen, and believe me I have seen my fair share.
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RE: How Stupid Are We? - 7/31/2008 11:17:35 AM
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How did people feel when he said we should learn a foreign language?
I personally agreed with him. Kudos again to Senator Obama for telling Americans they should get to know the outside world better. But we weren't discussing his speech on foreign language. The reason why Obama's speech to black fathers was so important was because many race hustlers (Sharpton, Jackson) have told black people that their struggles are beyond their control and therefore their actions aren't really their fault. That's not a recipe for success for anyone.
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Since we don't "know him", we must assume that he loves all the gangsta rappers until he proves to us otherwise, which means he will be provided a list of offensive black rappers, comedians, entertainers, athletes, and other vermin of color, and asked to denounce them all, one by one.
Come on now. We know Obama doesn't advocate the views of gangsta rap. He has to denounce the ones that rap about how they want to see McCain paralyzed and call Hillary Clinton bad names. I will say I think Senator McCain has not been asked enough about the questionable statements made by people who endorse him.
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Of course, it's up to Fox news and others on the right to decide if his rebuke is sincere or not , or just done for political expediency.
I take Obama at his word until I see evidence that shows otherwise. I don't try to figure out whether he's sincere or not, I'm a benefit of the doubt person.
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I've applied for a number of jobs over my lifetime, and the interviewer didn't know much about me, but I've never been asked about the views of my pastor
If you were applying for a management position at Walmart and your pastor of 20 years denounced corportations like Walmart from the pulpit and it was a significant belief of his it would be worth looking into. You have to believe in the institution in which you are leading. That doesn't mean that you don't believe it could be better but if you think the institution at its core is evil then you shouldn't be leading it. Especially when that position involves a significant PR component, like President of the United States. I believe Obama loves America (although he may be a little disillusioned about certain aspects of it) but it was worth looking into.
I think race has been used by both sides. A black candidate has been way too long in coming in this country and being a first we are struggling with how to handle it. This campaign has not been a proud moment for this country thus far (aside from having our first black candidate). I think the conflict here is Democrat / Liberal vs Republican / Conservative and not White vs Black. The race stuff is just an issue both sides are using to win using any means necessary.
Finally on this forum the people who oppose Obama aren't doing so because of his race but rather because of his support of abortion & gay marriage. It would be the same thing if Senator Clinton was running. Even if she was running against Alan Keyes (a very conservative black politician).
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RE: How Stupid Are We? - 7/31/2008 11:59:06 AM
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You may have applied for many jobs, but I'll bet you've never "applied" for President of The United States of America, nor anything even remotely as important (to the country). That does make a difference, you know.
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I've applied for a number of jobs over my lifetime, and the interviewer didn't know much about me, but I've never been asked about the views of my pastor. Someone got hold of a tape from his church, figured a way to spin it in a way that white people would be frightened, and it worked. How many times have we heard, "Twenty years! Twenty years! How could he have stayed in that church for TWENTY YEARS!." Just like now we're hearing how he should be ashamed for not visiting our wounded warriors in Germany. I'm surprised he's lasted this long.
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The power of God protects me,
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