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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

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ORIGINAL: MichaelTheeArchAngel
...Did you study the scripture that I posted above?...

I noticed that you referenced "Chapter 69 of Enoch." That isn't in my Protestant NT - in any of the versions I recognize as credible. Before today, I only thought Catholics accepted apocryphal books. What sect do you ascribe to, the Ethiopian Orthodox Church?

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Take note that the letter [Ħ] in Biblical Hebrew was known as waw and pronounced as w,

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ORIGINAL: Zhi

Do you have any objection to calling Yahwah God?

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MichaelTheeArchAngel

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ORIGINAL: DaveW

I have an objection to "yahweh." It starts with the OPs 2nd sentance:

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Take note that the letter [Ħ] in Biblical Hebrew was known as waw and pronounced as w,

The letter is VAV and is pronounced V. It is considered a christian construct to attach a W sound to it, probably from the influence of Greek. It may have had that in some of the helenized communitites, but not in original Hebrew.

Yud - hay - vav - hay should stay as it is IMO - without pronounciation.

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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth

I have a question of curiosity.

How long have you been a SNO advocate?

And do you adhere only to the African Publication "The Scriptures"?

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ORIGINAL: MichaelTheeArchAngel

I do not know what you are talking about. What is SNO?

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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth

I have a question of curiosity.

How long have you been a SNO advocate?

And do you adhere only to the African Publication "The Scriptures"?

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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth

Here's a link to the name Yahweh.

What's In a Name?

And another link.

Sacred Name Concerns

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ORIGINAL: MichaelTheeArchAngel
A true Protestant Christian does not follow the Catholic Church doctrine. Are you sure your not a Catholic? The reason I ask again is because everything you say supports Catholicism.

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ORIGINAL: MichaelTheeArchAngel

Thanks for the links. But here is a question for you. Should God answer to the name Allah? Or should Yahshua answer to the name Jesus?

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Thanks for the links. But here is a question for you. Should God answer to the name Allah? Or should Yahshua answer to the name Jesus? My name is Michael, should I answer to the name Tom? It's something to think about.

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ORIGINAL: MichaelTheeArchAngel

Yahwah

Yahwah is God’s personal name based upon the ancient Semitic language. Take note that the letter [] in Biblical Hebrew was known as waw and pronounced as w, as in [] Yhwh, “Yahwah.” In Modern Hebrew [] is known as vav and pronounced as v. The derivation of Yahwah is from the ancient Semitic words HaYah and HaWah.
HaYah means “The Life or The Living.” HaWah means “The Beginning or The happening.” This is a partial list of words associated HaWah: Be, is, was, became, happened and appeared.

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Yahwah reveals His name to Moses
Exodus 3:13-15.
13 And Moses said to Elohiym, “Suppose I go to the siblings of the Israelites and say to them, 'The Elohiym of your forefathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?” (Elohiym means, “God of The Living.”) It can also be translated as “god-s of the living” or “god-s of life,” for those who have life immortal.

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14 And Elohiym said to Moses, “The Living that Lives. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'The Living has sent me to you.” (HaYah) in the ancient Semitic language means: The Living, or The Life.)

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A brief history lesson
After 300 B.C. Adonai became more frequently used than Yahwah. And the Books of Esther, Ecclesiastes, and Song of Solomon do not use the name Yahwah. The title “Lord” (Adonai) is usually a substitute for the divine name: Yahwah.
Origen reported that when Jews read the name Yahwah, they would pronounce it Adonai, while non Jews would pronounce it Kurios.
In the Greek translation of the Old Testament (Septuagint), written before the time of Christ, “Yahwah” was written in Hebrew consonant characters. In the Dead Sea Scrolls, the scribes out of respect for the name wrote it in ancient Hebrew script rather in their normal script.

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Later on, Christian scribes replaced the Hebrew characters in the Greek Bible with Kurios. Scribes translating the Hebrew Bible showed that Yahwah should not be pronounced, but read as Adonai by substituting the Hebrew vowels of Adonai for those of Yahwah when writing the divine name. Later on, readers who did not know this history did not pronounce Yahwah; but neither did they pronounce Adonai, as the scribes intended. As a result the Middle Ages readers of the Hebrew Bible began pronouncing precisely what was written, and the mixture of consonants from Yahwah and vowels from Adonai, producing the pronunciation of Jehovah, a word that never existed for speakers of ancient Hebrew.

The word "Jehovah" comes from the fact that ancient Jewish texts used to put the vowels of the Name "Adonai" (the usual substitute for YHWH) with the consonants of YHWH to remind people not to pronounce YHWH as written. A sixteenth century German Christian scribe, while transliterating the Bible into Latin for the Pope, wrote the Name out as it appeared in his texts, with the consonants of YHWH and the vowels of Adonai, and came up with the word JeHoVaH.

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The number of letters in the Hebrew alphabet, their order, their names, and their phonetic values are virtually identical to those of the Aramaic alphabet, as both Hebrews and Arameans borrowed the Phoenician alphabet for their uses during the end of the 2nd millennium BC.
The modern script used for writing Hebrew (usually called the Jewish script by scholars, and also traditionally known as the square script, block script, or Assyrian script; not to be confused with the Eastern variant of the Syriac alphabet) evolved during the 3rd century BC from the Aramaic script, which was used by Jews for writing Hebrew since the 6th century BC. Prior to that, Hebrew was written using the old Hebrew script, which evolved from the 10th century BC Phoenician script.

The original pictograph used in the Early Semitic script is a Y shape, a picture of a tent peg. The tent pegs were made of wood and may have been Y-shaped to prevent the rope from slipping off.

The Modern Hebrew name for this letter is “vav”, a word meaning “peg” or “hook”. This letter is used in Modern Hebrew as a consonant with a “v” sound and as a vowel. If the Modern Hebrew letter appears as (וֹ), it is the vowel sound “ow” and if it appears as (וּ), it is the vowel sound “uw”. When used as a vowel the ancient pronunciation was also an “ow” or “uw”. In each consonant, vowel letters of the Ancient Hebrew language the pronunciation of the consonant is closely related to the pronunciation of the vowel such as the letter “hey” is “h” and “eh,” and the pronunciation of the letter “yud” is “y” and “iy”. For this reason, it is probable that the original pronunciation of the letter Y was with a “w”. In Modern and Ancient Arabic language, this letter is also pronounced with a “w”. Therefore, the original name of this letter would have been “waw” instead of “vav”.

In regards to the consonant “W” in the name YHWH

Wāw serves several functions in the Arabic language. Perhaps foremost among them is that it is the primary conjunction in Arabic, equivalent to "and"; it is usually prefixed to other conjunctions, such as ولكن wa-lakin, meaning "but". Another function is the "oath", by preceding a noun of great significantly valued by the speaker. It is often literally translatable to "By..." or "I swear to...", and is often used in the Qur'an in this way, and also in the generally fixed construction والله wallah ("By Allah!" or "I swear to God!").

An oath (from Anglo-Saxon āð, also called plight) is either a promise or a statement of fact calling upon something or someone that the oath maker considers sacred, usually a god, as a witness to the binding nature of the promise or the truth of the statement of fact.
Chapter 69 of Enoch

This requested Michael, to show him the hidden name that he might enunciate it in the oath, so that those might quake before that name and oath who revealed all that was in secret to the children of men. And this is the power of this oath, for it is powerful and strong, and he placed this oath (Akae) in the hand of Michael. (Akae) is not a word, it is most likely an authors note, it could mean, “Also Known As Elohiym” or “Also Known As Eagle.” Michael’s seal could be the double winged eagle found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. The four winged Cherubim in Ezekiel may also have a relationship.

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ORIGINAL: benelchi

There are a number of errors in this post, I will address just a few of them.

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we can close this puppy( thread) and have a cup of good coffee and a donut - or two.

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ORIGINAL: MichaelTheeArchAngel

Should God answer to the name Allah? Or should Yahshua answer to the name Jesus? My name is Michael, should I answer to the name Tom? It's something to think about.

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ORIGINAL: benelchi

There are a number of errors in this post, I will address just a few of them.

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ORIGINAL: MichaelTheeArchAngel

Yahwah

Yahwah is God’s personal name based upon the ancient Semitic language. Take note that the letter [] in Biblical Hebrew was known as waw and pronounced as w, as in [] Yhwh, “Yahwah.” In Modern Hebrew [] is known as vav and pronounced as v. The derivation of Yahwah is from the ancient Semitic words HaYah and HaWah.
HaYah means “The Life or The Living.” HaWah means “The Beginning or The happening.” This is a partial list of words associated HaWah: Be, is, was, became, happened and appeared.

HaYaH doesn't mean life, that CHaYaH. The words look very similar in Hebrew but they are not the same. HaYah is spelled with a hey and CHaYaH is spelled with a Chet.

HaVah is not the equivalent of HaYah. When it is pointed as HoVeH or HayVeH is conjugation of HaYaH, but when it is pointed as HaWaH it is not related at all; HaVaH is from a different root and means wickedness.

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Yahwah reveals His name to Moses
Exodus 3:13-15.
13 And Moses said to Elohiym, “Suppose I go to the siblings of the Israelites and say to them, 'The Elohiym of your forefathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?” (Elohiym means, “God of The Living.”) It can also be translated as “god-s of the living” or “god-s of life,” for those who have life immortal.

Elohim does not mean God of the living, but simply means God. It is used most often as a majestic plural; and is used in conjunction with singular verbs. When it is used with a plural verb it would be translated as gods. The root of this word is 'el' which means god. God of the living would be 'elohay chi' or 'el chi'. BTW my screen name means 'son of the living God' i.e. 'ben el chi'

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14 And Elohiym said to Moses, “The Living that Lives. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'The Living has sent me to you.” (HaYah) in the ancient Semitic language means: The Living, or The Life.)

The translation in our bibles is correct, "I am that I am"; in this verse the first person imperfect form of HYH i.e. the verb 'to be' is used, not the verb 'to live'. Again the first letter looks similar, but it is NOT the same. The left leg of the letter chet connects to the top, but in a hey there is a small gap between the top of the left leg and the top part of the letter; this small gap is important because these are truly different letters of the alphabet.

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A brief history lesson
After 300 B.C. Adonai became more frequently used than Yahwah. And the Books of Esther, Ecclesiastes, and Song of Solomon do not use the name Yahwah. The title “Lord” (Adonai) is usually a substitute for the divine name: Yahwah.
Origen reported that when Jews read the name Yahwah, they would pronounce it Adonai, while non Jews would pronounce it Kurios.
In the Greek translation of the Old Testament (Septuagint), written before the time of Christ, “Yahwah” was written in Hebrew consonant characters. In the Dead Sea Scrolls, the scribes out of respect for the name wrote it in ancient Hebrew script rather in their normal script.

I am unaware of any copy of the LXX that uses the Hebrew script for YHWH, do you have a source for this information?

This use of the old script in the DDS was only characteristic of a few of the very oldest scrolls, most did not exhibit this.

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Later on, Christian scribes replaced the Hebrew characters in the Greek Bible with Kurios. Scribes translating the Hebrew Bible showed that Yahwah should not be pronounced, but read as Adonai by substituting the Hebrew vowels of Adonai for those of Yahwah when writing the divine name. Later on, readers who did not know this history did not pronounce Yahwah; but neither did they pronounce Adonai, as the scribes intended. As a result the Middle Ages readers of the Hebrew Bible began pronouncing precisely what was written, and the mixture of consonants from Yahwah and vowels from Adonai, producing the pronunciation of Jehovah, a word that never existed for speakers of ancient Hebrew.

The word "Jehovah" comes from the fact that ancient Jewish texts used to put the vowels of the Name "Adonai" (the usual substitute for YHWH) with the consonants of YHWH to remind people not to pronounce YHWH as written. A sixteenth century German Christian scribe, while transliterating the Bible into Latin for the Pope, wrote the Name out as it appeared in his texts, with the consonants of YHWH and the vowels of Adonai, and came up with the word JeHoVaH.

The history is a little mixed up here. The masorah that denoted the vowels in Hebrew didn't exist until the middle ages. Up until that time the substitution of adonai for YHWH was done by oral tradition and not because of anything indicated in the text.

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The number of letters in the Hebrew alphabet, their order, their names, and their phonetic values are virtually identical to those of the Aramaic alphabet, as both Hebrews and Arameans borrowed the Phoenician alphabet for their uses during the end of the 2nd millennium BC.
The modern script used for writing Hebrew (usually called the Jewish script by scholars, and also traditionally known as the square script, block script, or Assyrian script; not to be confused with the Eastern variant of the Syriac alphabet) evolved during the 3rd century BC from the Aramaic script, which was used by Jews for writing Hebrew since the 6th century BC. Prior to that, Hebrew was written using the old Hebrew script, which evolved from the 10th century BC Phoenician script.

The original pictograph used in the Early Semitic script is a Y shape, a picture of a tent peg. The tent pegs were made of wood and may have been Y-shaped to prevent the rope from slipping off.

The Modern Hebrew name for this letter is “vav”, a word meaning “peg” or “hook”. This letter is used in Modern Hebrew as a consonant with a “v” sound and as a vowel. If the Modern Hebrew letter appears as (וֹ), it is the vowel sound “ow” and if it appears as (וּ), it is the vowel sound “uw”. When used as a vowel the ancient pronunciation was also an “ow” or “uw”. In each consonant, vowel letters of the Ancient Hebrew language the pronunciation of the consonant is closely related to the pronunciation of the vowel such as the letter “hey” is “h” and “eh,” and the pronunciation of the letter “yud” is “y” and “iy”. For this reason, it is probable that the original pronunciation of the letter Y was with a “w”. In Modern and Ancient Arabic language, this letter is also pronounced with a “w”. Therefore, the original name of this letter would have been “waw” instead of “vav”.

In regards to the consonant “W” in the name YHWH

Wāw serves several functions in the Arabic language. Perhaps foremost among them is that it is the primary conjunction in Arabic, equivalent to "and"; it is usually prefixed to other conjunctions, such as ولكن wa-lakin, meaning "but". Another function is the "oath", by preceding a noun of great significantly valued by the speaker. It is often literally translatable to "By..." or "I swear to...", and is often used in the Qur'an in this way, and also in the generally fixed construction والله wallah ("By Allah!" or "I swear to God!").

An oath (from Anglo-Saxon āð, also called plight) is either a promise or a statement of fact calling upon something or someone that the oath maker considers sacred, usually a god, as a witness to the binding nature of the promise or the truth of the statement of fact.
Chapter 69 of Enoch

This requested Michael, to show him the hidden name that he might enunciate it in the oath, so that those might quake before that name and oath who revealed all that was in secret to the children of men. And this is the power of this oath, for it is powerful and strong, and he placed this oath (Akae) in the hand of Michael. (Akae) is not a word, it is most likely an authors note, it could mean, “Also Known As Elohiym” or “Also Known As Eagle.” Michael’s seal could be the double winged eagle found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. The four winged Cherubim in Ezekiel may also have a relationship.

Again there are a lot of mixed of facts in this last section. Yes a prefixed vav is the conjuction 'and', 'but', etc...; however, many Hebrew letters are used as prefixes. The prefixed 'bet' is used as 'in' or 'with', 'mem' is used as 'from', 'kaph' is used as 'like', 'as', etc..., and the prefixed hey can be used as the article 'the', or the interrogative 'if'. The fact that these letter are used is prefixes make no difference to how they are understood when they are used as part of Hebrew root.

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CHaYaH

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ORIGINAL: MichaelTheeArchAngel

I suggest you recheck sources. You do know that biblical Hebrew is a little bit different than the the modren Hebrew?

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ORIGINAL: Bluethread

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ORIGINAL: MichaelTheeArchAngel

Should God answer to the name Allah? Or should Yahshua answer to the name Jesus? My name is Michael, should I answer to the name Tom? It's something to think about.

Are you really Thee Arch Angel? Isn't your avitar also a misuse of a biblical title, by your standard?