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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/27/2008 5:09:42 PM
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saved9201
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This was on Obama's schedule for weeks, he was informed of the Pentagon's decision that this was to be considered a political (rather than official) visit on Wednesday.
So he cancelled rather than involve the troops in politics.
rcjames seems to want to involve the troops in politics more than Obama.
When Obama could not make it a political stump with the press and cameras as he showed his concern for the injured; he turned his back on the troops.
This one will come back to bite him.
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RC
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06/28/08 Barack Obama Quietly Visits Wounded War Veterans
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WASHINGTON — Barack Obama stopped by Walter Reed Army Medical Center Saturday to visit wounded war veterans, a group that he has said endures substandard care under the Bush administration.
Transcript Excerpt From “Face the Nation”
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CHUCK HAGEL: Let me add to that. As you know, Bob, the congressional delegation that you referred to ended when we parted in Jordan. At that point, it was a political trip for Senator Obama. I think it would have been inappropriate for him and certainly he would have been criticized by the McCain people and the press and probably should have been if on a political trip in Europe paid for by political funds-not the taxpayers-to go, essentially, then and be accused of using our wounded men and women as props for his campaign.
Or bite McCain.
You might consider, the more Repugs use the troops for political purposes means more troops vote Democratic; They can read newspapers too.
Great points.
Problem is, your facts will be discredited because they came from the left wing liberal Huffington Post, the far far left wing liberal magazine, Time as quoted from the left wing liberal news show on an left wing liberal network (not Fox), Face the Nation and, you have a quote from left wing liberal republican turncoat Chuck Hagel. Therefore, none of what you just posted is credible.
But still good points.
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/27/2008 6:24:36 PM
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Obama hates troops soooooo much, that he's made several unannounced, unpublicized visits to Walter Reed Army Hospital, that didn't cost the taxpayers a dime, the latest being in June. (Google and find out for yourself preacher. Whatever link I give you, you'll just discredit as being a left wing liberal blog).
Hey, don't forget Obama hating the troops so much that he stopped in Kuwait last week to thank them for their service.
I ask you, how can one man hate America's military so?
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/27/2008 6:31:23 PM
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Obama hates troops soooooo much, that he's made several unannounced, unpublicized visits to Walter Reed Army Hospital, that didn't cost the taxpayers a dime, the latest being in June. (Google and find out for yourself preacher. Whatever link I give you, you'll just discredit as being a left wing liberal blog).
Hey, don't forget Obama hating the troops so much that he stopped in Kuwait last week to thank them for their service.
I ask you, how can one man hate America's military so?
When B. Hussein Obama has got a camera and press crew present he would thank a cow for contributing to global warming.
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/27/2008 7:03:11 PM
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It sounded like a heartfelt prayer to me.
Some of the replies about Obama are kinda scary...like is there such a thing as a Christian Taliban?
btw in case anyone is interested, McCain also supports abortion (i wonder if this will stir up any vitriol?)
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/27/2008 8:32:28 PM
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Some of the replies about Obama are kinda scary...like is there such a thing as a Christian Taliban?
Hear, hear.
I normally wouldn't mind it- Christianity is a religion that teaches a peace that even the 10th-standard-deviations out buy, and I'm a live-and-let-live Libertarian.
However, the problem is that people see these people (who tend to be extremely angry and vocal) and assume that they speak for the silent majority of Christians who will probably vote for John McCain because of the issue of abortion, rather than Obama being perceived as trying to take advantage of prayer, Western Walls, our troops, or any itty-nitty nitpicky things that some people get extremely judgemental about.
Ironically, I will propose that those who oppose Obama follow ljmac's lead, by saying,
"I have a minor problem with that, but the major problem is that Obama acquiesces to the taking of unborn life."
When stuff like this crops up.
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/27/2008 8:41:11 PM
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It sounded like a heartfelt prayer to me.
Some of the replies about Obama are kinda scary...like is there such a thing as a Christian Taliban?
btw in case anyone is interested, McCain also supports abortion (i wonder if this will stir up any vitriol?)
Even if McCain does support aboriton does that cancel out the fact that Obama does?
John
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/27/2008 8:45:29 PM
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Even if McCain does support aboriton does that cancel out the fact that Obama does?
John
Well, is the question here whether Obama's praying is a "publicity stunt" (for the record, anything that makes it into the news could be called a publicity stunt by these standards.), or is it about abortion?
And for the record, I think McCain does offer significant opposition to abortion. He supports the Mexico City Policy, for example.
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/27/2008 8:54:50 PM
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Well, is the question here whether Obama's praying is a "publicity stunt"
Actually I was responding to the following...
btw in case anyone is interested, McCain also supports abortion (i wonder if this will stir up any vitriol?)
I have given my view(s) of Obama phony prayer...
John
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/27/2008 9:10:01 PM
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Christianity is a religion that teaches a peace that even the 10th-standard-deviations out buy, and I'm a live-and-let-live Libertarian.
And why are you here on a Christian web-site?
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/27/2008 9:37:49 PM
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Even if McCain does support aboriton does that cancel out the fact that Obama does?
That makes no sense whatsoever. What's the difference if both candidates have a record of supporting abortion right? Doesn't it make McCain just as repugnant to you as Obama?
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/27/2008 9:41:52 PM
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And why are you here on a Christian web-site?
I hate to break this to you (and I realize this is a response perhaps best left to the Theology folder), but there is more than one kind of Christian in the world. Fundies are not the last word defining what it means to believe in God, and his son Jesus Christ.
Blessed has every bit as much right to be here, and express his opinions and beliefs as you do.
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/27/2008 9:44:52 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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That makes no sense whatsoever.
If McCain does or doesn't it doesn't change the fact Obama does...
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What's the difference if both candidates have a record of supporting abortion right?
I never said there was a difference if both do...
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Doesn't it make McCain just as repugnant to you as Obama?
Of course...
Btw, isn't a abortion repugnant to you?
John
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/27/2008 9:53:13 PM
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Btw, isn't a abortion repugnant to you?
This is off-topic, but it depends on the circumstances.
I support the right to 1T abortions, and those needed to save a mother's life/health, but not late-term abortions done for the sake of convenience.
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/27/2008 9:53:24 PM
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I hate to break this to you (and I realize this is a response perhaps best left to the Theology folder), but there is more than one kind of Christian in the world.
Yes, there are types like Obama who talk about it and there are thoses who actually live it...
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Fundies are not the last word defining what it means to believe in God, and his son Jesus Christ.
True, His word is and He said if you love me you'll keep my commandments... Not just say this or that and live as you please my Father will understand...
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Blessed has every bit as much right to be here, and express his opinions and beliefs as you do.
And therby subject to the judgment of the Body of Christ according to the word God, and not some mixture of secular reasoning and the Bible...
John
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/27/2008 9:56:37 PM
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Btw, isn't a abortion repugnant to you?
This is off-topic, but it depends on the circumstances.
I support the right to 1T abortions, and those needed to save a mother's life/health, but not late-term abortions done for the sake of convenience.
So it would be fair to say you support the right to abortion as it stands today and that you are Pro-Choice? You do know there is no real mechanism to stop late-term abortions done for the sake of convenience?
John
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/27/2008 10:14:12 PM
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hate to break this to you (and I realize this is a response perhaps best left to the Theology folder), but there is more than one kind of Christian in the world. Fundies are not the last word defining what it means to believe in God, and his son Jesus Christ.
And what kind of of God do people who attend churches such as the UCC and Unitarian Universalists believe in; it isn't the God of the Bible.
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/27/2008 10:40:54 PM
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So it would be fair to say you support the right to abortion as it stands today and that you are Pro-Choice?
I oppose late term abortions done as simple convenience, but otherwise, am pro-choice on first trimester abortions and abortions needed to save a mother's life/health, or are performed in cases of rape/incest.
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/27/2008 10:51:56 PM
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hey Todd, Believe it or not, I do agree with you regarding the prayer. It is a horrible shame that someone took a personal prayer and printed it in a newspaper. Now I have no idea where Obama stands with God and it's none of my business. That's between him and God. I'm not a supporter of Obama, b/c I don't like his communist style ideas, but that's for another time. ;)
As for his prayer, well, unless you've been to the wailing wall, you won't get it. I've been to Isreal and I've stood before that wall. You walk through an archway that's at least thirty feet high, made of stone that's older than Christ Himself and was around when King David walked the earth. and the wall itself is at least 50 feet and is all that's left of the Temple of God. Tiny pieces of paper are stuck into every cravice you can find, all those prayers. It's almost heartbreaking. But once you're there, its like all your humanity, pride, position, ect is stripped away and its only you and God. I'm not surprised Obama wrote that prayer. It's like wow, this is where God resided long ago. I was pretty overwhelmed, just like the others who have visited it. His presense is still felt, like a lingering fragrance. You can't help but be humbled and write a prayer and stick it in the rocks. I don't think Obama would plan this whole thing of retrieving his own note to put in the paper and I'm sure the 'student' has been chastised. i really don't think it's our place to judge the man's prayer, only his politics.
Let God judge his prayer.
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FYI: My sole purpose in starting this thread was to see how quickly a simply written prayer by Obama would descend into a bout of partisan bickering and sniping by critics who so dislike the man that they react like Pavlovian dogs to any Obama election year controversy (be it real or imagined).
Yes, I am an Obama supporter - yet I admire John McCain for his long years of service to this country. I just happen to disagree with most of his politics.
However, had a private prayer by McCain or GW Bush or Hillary Clinton or anyone else in the public eye been published by the media I would have found it just as distasteful.
IMO, such a prayer is never appropriate for the intent of boosting newspaper sales.
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/27/2008 10:55:45 PM
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i really don't think it's our place to judge the man's prayer, only his politics.
Thank you for returning the thread to the topic at hand.
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/27/2008 10:58:37 PM
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i really don't think it's our place to judge the man's prayer, only his politics.
Thank you for returning the thread to the topic at hand.
but faith and politics must go hand-in-hand
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/27/2008 11:07:31 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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i really don't think it's our place to judge the man's prayer, only his politics.
Let God judge his prayer.
I really think it's absurd to believe we can separate a person's politics from what they say they believe... We are not compartmentalize in that we can pretend that how we live can be separated from what we say we believe.
His prayer is judged by his actions that are in direct conflict with God's word, action's from a place of authority which in fact compounds his sin.
John
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/27/2008 11:08:33 PM
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So it would be fair to say you support the right to abortion as it stands today and that you are Pro-Choice?
I oppose late term abortions done as simple convenience, but otherwise, am pro-choice on first trimester abortions and abortions needed to save a mother's life/health, or are performed in cases of rape/incest.
Which means you believe the laws in place should stand, correct?
John
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/27/2008 11:53:45 PM
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but faith and politics must go hand-in-hand
True, but one is more relevant than the other.
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/28/2008 1:13:05 AM
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but faith and politics must go hand-in-hand
True, but one is more relevant than the other.
How so? If a person's political views are in conflict with their faith we just to shrug our shoulders and act as if it doesn't matter? It's only more relevant for folks who support a canidate that says one thing and does another...
John
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RE: Obama's Western Wall Prayer Published - 7/28/2008 4:35:56 AM
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McCain also supports abortion
You seriously believe McCain and Obama are the same on the matter? NRL has wrote a number of articles about how pro-life McCain is.
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