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RE: Did Jesus have long term relationships.... - 7/25/2008 11:27:01 AM
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deliveredarling
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Using the argument that Jesus did not have long-term relationships to somehow rationalize why we shouldn't is a hard argument for us today because, as was already pointed out...His earthbound ministry was only 3 years long.
Yes, it is. In the other thread it was brought up about continuing in a relationship with a family member who does not believe. I can only imagine how hard that was for the person to hear. A hard line can be taken here, but how beneficial is that in the long run really?
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RE: Did Jesus have long term relationships.... - 7/25/2008 11:29:52 AM
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Matthew 10:12-14 are good references to the idea of walking away from people that won't accept your words, but what about those that accept that what you're saying is true and just aren't ready to make a decision? That happens a lot. Should we just walk away? How many people wouldn't be saved today if Christians took this approach? "Well I'm gonna give you the good news once, but if you don't accept it, I'm gone." That's exactly what I'm reading here. Am I incorrect?
Basically, that's what I heard in the other thread. I felt it might be time spent worthwhile looking at if. If for nothing else, some encouragement. Hopefully, some misinterpretations will be cleared up.
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RE: Did Jesus have long term relationships.... - 7/25/2008 11:49:11 AM
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Yes, it is. In the other thread it was brought up about continuing in a relationship with a family member who does not believe. I can only imagine how hard that was for the person to hear. A hard line can be taken here, but how beneficial is that in the long run really?
That was pretty harsh  where's the hope of the Gospel in that?
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Matthew 10:12-14 are good references to the idea of walking away from people that won't accept your words, but what about those that accept that what you're saying is true and just aren't ready to make a decision? That happens a lot. Should we just walk away? How many people wouldn't be saved today if Christians took this approach? "Well I'm gonna give you the good news once, but if you don't accept it, I'm gone." That's exactly what I'm reading here. Am I incorrect?
I don't believe a person goes to hell because I did not personally share the Gospel with them. God is sovereign in all things to include the timing of a person's salvation.
This does NOT, however, negate my responsibility to share the Gospel with everyone because while God is sovereign, I am not. 
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RE: Did Jesus have long term relationships.... - 7/25/2008 11:56:15 AM
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Matthew 10:12-14 are good references to the idea of walking away from people that won't accept your words, but what about those that accept that what you're saying is true and just aren't ready to make a decision? That happens a lot. Should we just walk away? How many people wouldn't be saved today if Christians took this approach? "Well I'm gonna give you the good news once, but if you don't accept it, I'm gone." That's exactly what I'm reading here. Am I incorrect?
I don't believe a person goes to hell because I did not personally share the Gospel with them. God is sovereign in all things to include the timing of a person's salvation.
This does NOT, however, negate my responsibility to share the Gospel with everyone because while God is sovereign, I am not.
A person won't go to hell because we do or don't share the gospel. It is the acceptance or rejection of Jesus that determines our destination. But if we don't share the gospel, their blood is on our hands IMO. If we walk away because we are personally offended... but that's another topic for another thread.
I believe we are to be obedient to sharing the Gospel.
I'm not convicted about the consequence of their blood on my hands.
But I definitely get what you mean and can appreciate the principal.
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RE: Did Jesus have long term relationships.... - 7/25/2008 12:00:50 PM
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That was pretty harsh where's the hope of the Gospel in that?
I thought so too.
Now, to be fair, Christ does say this:
Mat 10:37 "He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
Mat 10:38 "And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.
Mat 10:39 "He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.
What I see in this, is that we are not to put our loved ones unbelief before our love for Him. If it comes right down to it, we are to leave them be and follow Him? The sacrifice has to be made or else we are denying Him?
Maybe that is what was meant in that conversation. I wasn't apart of it, just reading it.
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RE: Did Jesus have long term relationships.... - 7/25/2008 12:03:33 PM
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I'm not convicted about the consequence of their blood on my hands.
I'm not either. If I have shared and they reject it, that is on them. My job is not to save, it's to share.
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RE: Did Jesus have long term relationships.... - 7/25/2008 12:04:47 PM
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I'm not convicted about the consequence of their blood on my hands.
I'm not either. If I have shared and they reject it, that is on them. My job is not to save, it's to share.
If you have shared the gospel, their blood wouldn't be on your hands. It's there if you (or I) have the chance and do not do so...
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RE: Did Jesus have long term relationships.... - 7/25/2008 12:08:00 PM
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If you have shared the gospel, their blood wouldn't be on your hands. It's there if you (or I) have the chance and do not do so...
Gotcha, I misunderstood what you said.
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RE: Did Jesus have long term relationships.... - 7/25/2008 2:21:51 PM
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]It does seem to me that there is a huge difference between not actively witnessing and no longer being around them. You're living your life in a Godly fashion, but if you don't live that life where it can be seen, (around them) does it do any good?
Should we live a Godly life in private; absolutely not. We are to live every moment of every day where ever we are at as representives of Christ; because we are.
(Luk 11:33) No man, when he hath lighted a candle, putteth it in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the light.
We, as Believers, must let that little (or large) light shine.
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RE: Did Jesus have long term relationships.... - 7/25/2008 2:27:16 PM
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]It does seem to me that there is a huge difference between not actively witnessing and no longer being around them. You're living your life in a Godly fashion, but if you don't live that life where it can be seen, (around them) does it do any good?
Should we live a Godly life in private; absolutely not. We are to live every moment of every day where ever we are at as representives of Christ; because we are.
(Luk 11:33) No man, when he hath lighted a candle, putteth it in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the light.
We, as Believers, must let that little (or large) light shine.
I believe I understand what you're saying.
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RE: Did Jesus have long term relationships.... - 7/25/2008 8:56:05 PM
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I'm not convicted about the consequence of their blood on my hands.
I'm not either. If I have shared and they reject it, that is on them. My job is not to save, it's to share.
in MT 13, the parable of the sower, only one seed out of every 4 fell on good soil.
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RE: Did Jesus have long term relationships.... - 7/25/2008 9:03:27 PM
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I'm not convicted about the consequence of their blood on my hands.
I'm not either. If I have shared and they reject it, that is on them. My job is not to save, it's to share.
in MT 13, the parable of the sower, only one seed out of every 4 fell on good soil.
Could you prove that since Jesus said, "some seed" fell every time?
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RE: Did Jesus have long term relationships.... - 7/25/2008 10:07:06 PM
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I'm not convicted about the consequence of their blood on my hands.
I'm not either. If I have shared and they reject it, that is on them. My job is not to save, it's to share.
in MT 13, the parable of the sower, only one seed out of every 4 fell on good soil.
Could you prove that since Jesus said, "some seed" fell every time?
there were 4 places mentioned..... the road, rocky places, the thorns, and good soil. of those 4 places, only one was good.
the word some ... hmmmm
do you think "some" on the road is any more or less than "others" on the good soil?
..... like " a lot", or "even more" can you prove that that "some" and "others" are 2 different amounts????
that is the guess, but we know that of the four places, the sower planted in each and every one of those places, and only 1 in 4 of those places was "good"
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RE: Did Jesus have long term relationships.... - 7/26/2008 3:49:08 AM
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Salvation comes with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. The disciples could not have been saved until Jesus had left and the Holy Spirit came.
Obvioulsy the disciples did not truly know their Savior and His purpose here oin earth until they were Holy Spirit indwellt. They were mourning the passing of their Messiah...until He appeared to them and then sent the Councilor to empower them in their ministries.
You can make the point that the disciples were not saved until after Jesus left. Consequently, His closest friends here one earth were "unsaved".
This may also answer the Judas problem.
If you want excuses to isolate yoursefl from the world I guyess you can find biblical support for that...or really any stance. I don't think its christian to isdolate ourselves from the world.
We are not to be friends with "the world", meaning we do not embrace its ways. However I do not know a better way to witness than to invest some time into unsaved people. I won't say its a deep relationship. That would be an uneven yoke situation. I also think there is a time where you can discern its time to move on.
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RE: Did Jesus have long term relationships.... - 7/26/2008 9:22:28 PM
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I don't have any examples because I don't think there are any.
Jesus and others didn't teach that it was necessary to get to know someone in order to share the Gospel. Instead they used the Law.
Law to the proud and Grace to the humble.
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RE: Did Jesus have long term relationships.... - 7/26/2008 10:32:51 PM
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I just keep thinking how inexpressibly grateful I am that Jesus did chase after me through those who invested in my life for the long haul.
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RE: Did Jesus have long term relationships.... - 7/26/2008 10:34:34 PM
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I just keep thinking how inexpressibly grateful I am that Jesus did chase after me through those who invested in my life for the long haul.
Me too. I keep thinking that if people took the evangelical approach that some people here say is biblical, I would not have ever been saved because I wouldn't have wanted to listen to anyone that treated me that way.
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RE: Did Jesus have long term relationships.... - 7/27/2008 12:23:37 AM
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I wonder if those who chase and chase spend so much time chasing, they don't see the ones seeking?
I'm not talking about slightly rebellious ones here, I'm referring to the hardcore atheists.
We can talk to the lost, spend time with the lost, love the lost, but when it comes right down to it, the HS is the one that draws them, despite our best efforts.
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