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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 8/1/2008 3:35:37 PM
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edgibson
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I have read the entire thread.
The OP has been rendered moot by the Original Poster.
There is to be no drinking.
It is not about the man running it.
The only thing left is the music.
The problem, as has been stated, is the playing of secular music. My question is, what makes music secular? Especially instrumental music.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 8/1/2008 4:54:20 PM
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DougHorton
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There is nothing in the OP about the type of music:
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he is a musician and has decided to have a jam session in the church itself, as it is not very big.
That is the issue we are discussing.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 8/1/2008 5:34:58 PM
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ddave12000
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Read the OP.
Did the OP actually state that it was going to be in the sanctuary?
has that been your beef this whole time? Just curious, what about the rest of the church? Can another room be used for multi-purpose?
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 8/1/2008 5:40:51 PM
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DougHorton
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Read the OP.
Did the OP actually state that it was going to be in the sanctuary?
has that been your beef this whole time? Just curious, what about the rest of the church? Can another room be used for multi-purpose?
It seems someone finally read my posts!
It said the church is small. From what I know of small churches, the sanctuary is the only real place where the choir and musicians can practice. I admit I assumed it was in the sanctuary.
Yes, that has been my beef. The sanctuary is for corporate worship while the rest of the facilities would be more appropriate. However, if this is outreach, I would personally choose to be doing it in a bar.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 8/1/2008 11:24:21 PM
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ddave12000
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ORIGINAL: DougHorton
It seems someone finally read my posts!
Me personally, or anyone in general?
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It said the church is small. From what I know of small churches, the sanctuary is the only real place where the choir and musicians can practice. I admit I assumed it was in the sanctuary.
That would not be my impression of small churches, at least not the ones I've been around. I guess I'm saying as a result of my experience in small churches I wouldn't have read "small" as meaning the sanctuary is the only place music could be played.
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Yes, that has been my beef. The sanctuary is for corporate worship while the rest of the facilities would be more appropriate. However, if this is outreach, I would personally choose to be doing it in a bar.
I can agree more, but I still don't fully agree. I've seen way too many things other than corporate worship happen in sanctuarys and I don't think that makes it necessarily bad. I think the sanctuary is for corporate worship when the body is there to worship corporately. I guess to me it seems like a waste of space otherwise.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 8/4/2008 12:58:26 PM
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Your congregational building is NOT, repeat, NOT the temple in Jerusalem. That was destroyed in 70 ad by the Romans.
There is no biblical injunction against "secular" activities going on in the so called "sanctuary."
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 8/4/2008 1:04:36 PM
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Nobody claimed it was the temple, only that it was a sanctuary.
Sanctuary \Sanc"tu*a*ry\, n.; pl. Sanctuaries. [OE. seintuarie, OF. saintuaire, F. sanctuaire, fr. L. sanctuarium, from sanctus sacred, holy. See Saint.]
A sacred place; a consecrated spot; a holy and inviolable site. Hence, specifically:
(a) The most retired part of the temple at Jerusalem, called the Holy of Holies, in which was kept the ark of the covenant, and into which no person was permitted to enter except the high priest, and he only once a year, to intercede for the people; also, the most sacred part of the tabernacle; also, the temple at Jerusalem.
(b) (Arch.) The most sacred part of any religious building, esp. that part of a Christian church in which the altar is placed.
(c) A house consecrated to the worship of God; a place where divine service is performed; a church, temple, or other place of worship.
(d) A sacred and inviolable asylum; a place of refuge and protection; shelter; refuge; protection.
These laws, whoever made them, bestowed on temples the privilege of sanctuary. --Milton.
The admirable works of painting were made fuel for the fire; but some relics of it took sanctuary under ground, and escaped the common destiny. --Dryden.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 8/4/2008 1:57:34 PM
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I have been holding off responding to this thread because I am shocked that any born again christian would even consider that this would be ok.BRINGING A BAR INTO THE CHURCH?COME ON!!!!How much more do you think the Lord is giong to put up with?
JUGEMENT DAY IS COMING!!!
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 8/4/2008 3:33:10 PM
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ddave12000
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I have been holding off responding to this thread because I am shocked that any born again christian would even consider that this would be ok.BRINGING A BAR INTO THE CHURCH?COME ON!!!!How much more do you think the Lord is giong to put up with?
JUGEMENT DAY IS COMING!!!
While holding off on responding, did you actually read the thread? No one is "bringing the bar into church". If anything, lost souls might be coming to church...oh horror of horrors!!
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 8/4/2008 3:41:24 PM
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DougHorton
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quote:
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ORIGINAL: yustme
I have been holding off responding to this thread because I am shocked that any born again christian would even consider that this would be ok.BRINGING A BAR INTO THE CHURCH?COME ON!!!!How much more do you think the Lord is giong to put up with?
JUGEMENT DAY IS COMING!!!
While holding off on responding, did you actually read the thread? No one is "bringing the bar into church". If anything, lost souls might be coming to church...oh horror of horrors!!
Yes, even if someone did have a bar in the church, I don't think God's wrath will fall nearly as quickly there than on those who restrict the message of salvation to only those who met their standards.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 8/4/2008 3:42:48 PM
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quote:
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ORIGINAL: yustme
I have been holding off responding to this thread because I am shocked that any born again christian would even consider that this would be ok.BRINGING A BAR INTO THE CHURCH?COME ON!!!!How much more do you think the Lord is giong to put up with?
JUGEMENT DAY IS COMING!!!
While holding off on responding, did you actually read the thread? No one is "bringing the bar into church". If anything, lost souls might be coming to church...oh horror of horrors!!
Is this,or is this not talking about reaching the lost with a bar in the church?Or in other words inticing the lost with a bar in order to talk to them about Christ
If I've misunderstood this thread,please forgive me.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 8/4/2008 3:51:58 PM
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DougHorton
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The situation was a group of musicians who wanted to invite their friends for a jam session at the church, much like you would do at a jazz bar.
I don't think anybody mentioned the presence of alcohol.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 8/4/2008 3:58:23 PM
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JimboFletch
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Is this,or is this not talking about reaching the lost with a bar in the church?Or in other words inticing the lost with a bar in order to talk to them about Christ
If I've misunderstood this thread,please forgive me.
The post at the top of this page is a brief summary of the thread.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 8/4/2008 4:02:16 PM
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Zhi
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Is this,or is this not talking about reaching the lost with a bar in the church?Or in other words inticing the lost with a bar in order to talk to them about Christ
If I've misunderstood this thread,please forgive me.
This is actually about a jam session being hosted at a church by someone who is apparently the worship leader of the church. Initially, the OP stated that it would be "BYOB" but it was changed within the first page or two to being an alcohol-free event, which is the parameters under which most of us have given opinions (namely, an alcohol-free event where the lost can come to a jam session, in a church, with a leader in that church in charge).
So, the "Bringing the bar into church" topic label is a tad on the sensationalist side. ;)
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 8/4/2008 4:15:09 PM
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yustme
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Thank you.I did misunderstand.Thank God I did,I almost swallowed my adams apple.
However,I do not agree with useing Gods house for anything but Spiritual things.My opinion.
If you remember Jesus threw the money changers out of the church.Yes I know it was the temple,but it was still a sacred place.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 8/4/2008 6:32:50 PM
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He threw the moneychangers out because they were basically committing extortion and theft by charging massive amounts for the "proper" coinage and sacrifices.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 8/5/2008 10:34:05 AM
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DougHorton
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He threw the moneychangers out because they were basically committing extortion and theft by charging massive amounts for the "proper" coinage and sacrifices.
He mainly threw them out because they had not kept His house a house of prayer. If they had kept the sanctity, they would not have fallen into the second error.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 8/5/2008 10:49:38 AM
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yustme
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He threw the moneychangers out because they were basically committing extortion and theft by charging massive amounts for the "proper" coinage and sacrifices.
I know why He threw them out.As the above post says.
I wonder If the bar rooms would allow a church service to be held in their bars?
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 8/5/2008 10:51:17 AM
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I believe Jesus' words were something along the lines of "you have turned my house of prayer into a den of thieves." Indicating the money changers were robbing the people. Although it is not said the implication is if they were charging a fair exchange for the coins and a fair price for the sacrificial animals they would have been o.k. Therefore Zhi's post is correct.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 8/5/2008 10:52:32 AM
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He threw the moneychangers out because they were basically committing extortion and theft by charging massive amounts for the "proper" coinage and sacrifices.
I know why He threw them out.As the above post says.
I wonder If the bar rooms would allow a church service to be held in their bars?
It has been done before.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 8/5/2008 10:52:36 AM
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I wonder If the bar rooms would allow a church service to be held in their bars?
Believe it or not, I have heard of bars that allow church services to be held inside. Usually on Sundays but sometimes even during normal hours.
Sometimes, the lost are more open to the Lord's leading than stuck-in-tradition-ruts believers.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 8/5/2008 11:23:50 AM
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I have heard of church services being held in other places,but never in a bar.However if you say it has happened,I believe you.But I still do not agree with useing the church for anything other than Spiritual happenings.
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 8/5/2008 11:26:57 AM
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I have heard of church services being held in other places,but never in a behove if you say it has happened,I believe you.But I still do not agree with useing the church for anything other than Spiritual happenings.
Okay, I know we've already addressed this in the thread, but since ystme hasn't read it...
So, you disagree with rummage sales at the church? AA/NA meetings? Car washes? Quilting groups? Mom's Morning Out?
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RE: Bringing the bar into church - 8/5/2008 11:33:09 AM
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I have heard of church services being held in other places,but never in a behove if you say it has happened,I believe you.But I still do not agree with useing the church for anything other than Spiritual happenings.
Okay, I know we've already addressed this in the thread, but since ystme hasn't read it...
So, you disagree with rummage sales at the church? AA/NA meetings? Car washes? Quilting groups? Mom's Morning Out?
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Yes I do,but that's a completly different subject for the reason I do.But my reason is very Biblical.
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